"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part two) ***MNHQ has tweaked the title in order to make the quote more clear***

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Only the few apparently........these pictures are from todays March. Footage to follow..

And let us not forget patrons of Zara and McDonald's plus their staff.

@etmoiandme it will be interesting to see what comes of this.

WTF is a yellow neg?

And where is your evidence that the people threatening MPs are NOT the same people marching? How do you know that it's a SMALL cohort of extremists?

That parts of my comment are being taken out of context to try and say that I support MPs being threatened is not OK.

I can only conclude that some people are intentionally misconstruing my comments in an attempt to shut me up and discredit my opinion.

What are your reasons for doing this?

What I originally wrote is below.

‘Well that’s not acceptable is it, for MPs to be at risk like that. I don’t support that type of action.

However those MPs are at risk because people are upset about the unacceptable killing of innocent civilians in Gaza, not because of the marches.

The public would also be upset if they felt the government had tried to explain away October 7th as a necessary evil. People complaining about these marches forget this factor explains a lot about why people are speaking up for Palestine and not as explicitly or fiercely for Israel.’

Why would anyone be interested or invested enough in you to waste time trying to "discredit" you. Don't you think that might be a wee bit arrogant? Like magnanimously allowing the thread to stay open. WTAF was that all about?

Your use of "however" was clear to several posters

And where is your evidence that the people threatening MPs are NOT the same people marching?
I don't have evidence to suggest they are not just like you don't have evidence to suggest they are!

How do you know that it's a SMALL cohort of extremists?
I don't know but again I am not assuming it isn't. It is also a criminal offence to threaten someone in this way so I suspect that a very small number of people would be of that mindset and behave in this extreme way. I have seen nothing to suggest that the number of people threatening MPs is equal to the tens of thousands that have been participating in the marches.

Interesting that you view yourself as above the name calling because you asked me who my favourite dictator was. You also use language like “ diddums” to express scorn for posters objecting to the anti Semitic abuse directed towards Elyon Levy . You’re definitely not one of the polite posters on here so don’t put yourself on any pedestals.

None of us can KNOW if the extremists are on the March but it seems unlikely that they would send threatening letters to MPs but forgoe the opportunity to March . I accept that the majority of marchers are peaceful. Surely you can accept that a minority are more aggressive and increase community tensions?

Personally, I don't believe these marches are all about intimidation, but I feel that those marching view it as a welcomed by-product to give themselves more justification to continue. But intimidation is a feeling, not a solid, provable act in most cases. I think that Jewish people should be approached, especially Rabbis and community leaders, and if they overwhelmingly state they they are, in fact, intimidated by these marches, then they should be stopped.

Surely the members of the Labour Party were so threatened by a certain demographic so that the Speaker felt the need to intervene.

I can't imagine for one minute the (minority) Jewish community in the UK acting similarly. I'm glad the speaker acted as he did.

Surely you can accept that a minority are more aggressive and increase community tensions?
yes I do agree but that isn't what the poster I was initially responding to said. They said "the marchers" suggesting all marchers. Quote below
Interesting views on here..the marches are completely peaceful but MPs put themselves at risk of harm if they don't vote the way the marchers want them to.

And that's the crux of the matter isn't it? None of us have actual evidence to support one way or the other. So it doesn't make much sense you asking for evidence from other posters when you yourself can't provide it! It's inane and goady. All we can go on is common sense and decency - if I had the slightest concern that I were rubbing shoulders with people harbouring extremist ideology whilst participating in protests, I'd be out regardless of the fact they may be of the minority.

It's not inane or goady. You are asking for evidence to prove thousands of people haven't done something. That's not how the system works. Threatening an mp (or anyone) is a criminal offence, in the UK people are innocent until proved guilty not the other way round. I don't agree that you should suggest someone or group of people have committed a crime without proof. That's what I was objecting to. The burden of proof is with you not me.

“MPs put themselves at risk of harm if they don't vote the way the marchers want them to.” I think this is accurate. It certainly doesn’t imply ALL marchers will present a threat but it implies MPs will be at risk if they don’t vote the way those on the March want. This , to me, suggests a minority of marchers DO present a threat .

So, without actual irrefutable evidence, you will not accept that it is highly likely that , amongst the peaceful demonstrators, there are Hamas supporters and people who threaten MPs who don’t vote the way they want.

You’ve consistently argued that it would be unusual to expect to see an anti Hamas poster on one of the marches and it is also unreasonable to ask why anti Hamas demonstrators are not safe.
I understand why you support the marches and why we need to focus on the terrible situation in Gaza but surely you should be able to agree that Hamas is part of the problem for the Palestinians ?

@Dulra

"That's not how the system works. Threatening an mp (or anyone) is a criminal offence, in the UK people are innocent until proved guilty not the other way round. I don't agree that you should suggest someone or group of people have committed a crime without proof. That's what I was objecting to. The burden of proof is with you not me."

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Whilst you may have a point if the threat to an MP is going to a criminal court case, that doesn't really apply to a MN chat post.

As neither side can prove their point to make it a fact, then it simply becomes an opinion - both of which are valid. And the burden of proof to make it a fact lies equally between you.

We can agree or disagree on the probability of each opinion being correct, for example I would say that in the EDL that some are likely to be racists but as I cannot provide evidence it remains an opinion albeit one in my opinion with a strong probability.

@ThaiFishcake

"if I had the slightest concern that I were rubbing shoulders with people harbouring extremist ideology whilst participating in protests, I'd be out regardless of the fact they may be of the minority"

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Whilst I recognise and respect that you would want to walk away from those with extremist ideology there are equally those that get caught up in the protest and rhetoric and start to sympathise and then support such extremist ideology or in short become radicalised.

To be fair - I wouldn’t describe Dulra as “inane or goady” ( @Offwiththecircus though? …🧐) . I think Dulra has been one of the more respectful posters on here even if I disagree at times.

Is this a peaceful march not intended to intimidate in your dictionary?
https://news.sky.com/story/tobias-ellwood-pro-palestinian-protesters-hold-demonstration-outside-mps-home-13070531

Holding a protest outside an MP's home, saying they're complicit in genocide?

you seem very wrapped up in the notion that law and order will sort out any of the " badly" behaved protesters - that it lies firmly in the hands of the police to deal with this. I beg to differ. What about taking some personal responsibility? Don't we also have to live by a moral compass and not rely on authorities to police our conduct? you wouldn't drink drive just because you were worried you'd get pulled over, you'd be more concerned about endangering someone's life for example? Just as we have a collective responsibility not to offend or harm others by our actions. We don't need to be policed to behave with decency and respect .

Agreed.
To be clear, I know that not all the marchers hold extreme views but I'm certain that many do, the earlier marches had many more emboldened in them with inflammatory placards and calls for jihad. Some of those accused pleaded ignorance, should we believe them or suspect they have shown intents which they usually keep hidden in mixed company?

We know what radicalised people are capable of unfortunately.