South Africa has invoked the Genocide Convention against Israel over Gaza

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The entire filing is 84 pages long and, frankly, took me several hours to read - it's well worth the effort, though, in that it is rather (painfully at times) clinical and devastating in equal measure: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

Go, South Africa!

It might not male that much of a difference in the short term - but: to see the former victims of Apartheid take the lead on the world stage, and offer support (the way they - after multiple decades of campaigning and pressure ... it's not as though world leaders hated Apartheid South Africa "by default") is just ... a little spark of light within the darkness!

And, for balance, as reported in Middle Eastern Eye, these countries oppose SA's lawsuit against Israel -

Tunisia
US
GB
Eire
Guatamala
Hungary

but
France
Costa Rica and Mexico are "sitting on the fence".

However, at the end of the day, it won't matter what anyone thinks, the case will be decided by a The Court.

Belgium for/ Canada against.

I wouldn't describe questioning SAs motives as an attempt to discredit if they've not been accused of anything that isn't true.

The South Africans have just reiterated that they don't view Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Apparently it's because Hamas don't carry out terrorist attacks on South African soil.
So that's okay then.

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1745848289851805745

@Pinkpetunias88 Tunisia is not against it. Infact the total opposite.

Tunis does not endorse any legal action taken against Israel before the International Court of Justice (ICJ), considering it as implicit recognition of the 'occupying entity', said Tunisia's foreign ministry late Wednesday, 10 January.

Horrific.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-where-does-world-stand-south-africas-genocide-case-against-israel

"Tunisia, meanwhile, said it would not join any proceedings against Israel at the ICJ "because of the implicit recognition of this [Israeli] entity," but will participate in the oral hearing."

@Pinkpetunias88 yes thank you, i was trying to say their reason is not because they disapprove of the genocide allegations.
It's because they don't formally recognise Israel as a state (which I didn't know of until today myself)

That sounds like 'fudging it' to me 🙄

Eire as you’re referring to Ireland isn’t opposing to it but has refused to position themselves in favour or against this case. However , irelands pm has requested several time for a ceasefire and spoken against Israel several times.

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/01/11/ireland-should-have-joined-south-africa-in-israel-genocide-case-at-icj-sinn-fein/

From MEE

Ireland, a longtime supporter of Palestinian rights, announced it would not join South Africa in the lawsuit, with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar saying countries “need to be careful” with the use of the term “genocide” and wondering if actions by Hamas during the 7 October attack could also be classified as genocidal.

From my link (which is from yesterday). Think both Irish newspapers are reporting different comments from Taoiseach

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said he hopes the International Court of Justice might make an interim order calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, while it deliberates over South Africa’s proceedings alleging genocide against Israel.

Mr Varadkar said the Government was “deeply concerned that Israel may have committed war crimes in its actions in Gaza and we have made that very clear”.
“When it comes to the issue of genocide that is a very particular matter and the International Court of Justice will now have to rule on that and it may take many years before they rule on that,” he said.

What this clearly shows is that you can't trust the press to produce an unbiased or totally accurate report about anything.

This is why I stopped buying papers years ago.

Further to the above, this is an interesting comment from the Irish Minister for Transport, who is the leader of the Green Party who are part of the 3 party government coalition. He said there are "irrefutable points" in South Africa's case against Israel.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/eamon-ryan-says-there-are-irrefutable-points-in-south-africa-s-genocide-case-against-israel/ar-AA1mKQ2e

I hope all those involved in this case are prepared for the 'long haul' as Ukraine's case is still chugging on a year later -

https://unric.org/en/international-court-of-justice-ukraine-v-russia/#:~:text=Russia's%20arguments%20under%20consideration,in%20the%20territory%20of%20Ukraine

Loving the ever more desperate attempts to sling mud at SA and its “motives”. We see you. SA, the world thanks you for having the moral fibre to shine a light on this calamity. Even if the ICJ ruling goes against them, it’s a start that these arguments are starting to be aired.

Not this time.

Everyone in Ireland knows that for practical purposes this is a genocide but suspects that Israel may get off on a technicality- likely because while most individuals in the governing coalition want to depopulate Gaza, there will not be written policy or anything incontrovertible to show intent to anhilate them

Yep - this time too.

We will agree to disagree.

Who is this person 'Martin Guterres' and where was this report published?

I have my concerns about 'corpses lying on the streets' as that is against the laws of Islam for dealing with and respecting the dead.

Advice to the IRC in times of armed conflict says

"The burial of the deceased is a collective obligation (farḍ kifāyah) on the Muslim community. Because it is a collective obligation the entire Muslim community will be guilty if a Muslim body is not buried, unless the burial was beyond their knowledge or capacity."

And where is the Gaza Health Ministry, run by Hamas, in all this?

I think the poster meant Martin Griffiths

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/12/middleeast/gaza-corpses-on-streets-un-official-intl-hnk/index.html

Thanks @EasterIssland I meant Martin Griffiths

@EasterIssland "I think the poster meant Martin Griffiths"

I am very surprised that a member of an international organisation would make such comments without clarifying what was being done about this distressing situation.

There seems to be enough people able to access Northern Gaza (judging by the photo) to deal respectfully with this crisis and if not them surely the help of the IRC should be summoned.

"The remains of individuals must be found, recovered and identified to help prevent and resolve the tragedy of people unaccounted for as a result of conflict and other situations of armed violence." - from ICRC website

Mind you, it would appear that the IRC haven't exactly been very helpful viz; https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-779463

And apologies to @Pinkpetunias88 for unintentionally misleading you about the source of the information

OK