Hamas planned attacks on Jewish people in Europe

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Have seen in the news - I suspect it’s the tip of the iceberg and absolutely terrifying for Jewish people everywhere. Hamas need to be stopped, hopefully this helps to reinforce that they are a terrorist group and not some romantic notion about being ‘freedom fighters’

Agree with this completely @Desertrose2023
It would only increase the risks to us all if we use this as a reason NOT to push for a ceasefire and sideline diplomatic efforts to reach a sustainable peaceful solution for all in the Middle East.

Nobody should feel they have the right to target a group of people based on their religion or ethnicity or race and I hope the hate and planned attacks towards Jewish people is stamped out quickly.
I think the police in England will be on high alert especially in the festive period

@Pizdietz you know perfectly well what my reply is, so I won't be repeating it:

Butchery of 1000 (or more) , whilst abhorrent, does not justify butchery of 20,000, the starvation of more, and the deprivation of state of all.

Hi @EasternStandard in my view it is Israel and it’s supporters that are pushing this false narrative. This article from Time summarises it quite well. I’m not doubting the Germans and Danes have arrested bad people, but I do not consider this to be indicative of some wider nefarious scheme or intent by Hamas to attack Europe and I think trying to claim so is highly convenient for those trying to deflect criticism and growing disgust at the increasing death toll and atrocities Israel is committing in Gaza.

https://time.com/6329776/hamas-isis-gaza/time.com/6329776/hamas-isis-gaza/

We keep getting told that civillians get killed in wars. That's what happens apparently. So if it happens in countries that are backing Israel and supporting this war then that's what happens in wars. It's no different than the 1000s of innocent Palestinians that have been killed and maimed. If you support war you might get dragged into it, civillians might get killed. I don't know why some posters who have been very vocal about the fact that civillians get killed that's just what happens suddenly seem to care that more civillians might get killed. Seems like double standards to me.

totally agree with this too.
it’s so much easier for people to act like it’s all happening in a vacuum though and trying to contextualise means you’re a bigot.

I mean, surely you know what you're saying is absolutely ridiculous, right? For so many reasons, but the one I'm going to focus on is the fact that it's Jews they'd be targeting, not Germans or Danes in general. Jews. I'm sure others would be affected as well but they'd be collateral damage, not the actual targets. The targets would be Jews. So your "logic" isn't exactly sound.

@Decibel1000 that's interesting and I wasn't aware. Will be more careful.

I mean, surely you know what you're saying is absolutely ridiculous, right? For so many reasons, but the one I'm going to focus on is the fact that it's Jews they'd be targeting, not Germans or Danes in general. Jews. I'm sure others would be affected as well but they'd be collateral damage, not the actual targets. The targets would be Jews. So your "logic" isn't exactly sound.

I’m a bit confused by this.

If you’re a target you mustn’t be killed but if you’re not a target it’s just collateral damage?

in my view it is Israel and it’s supporters that are pushing this false narrative

Are you including Denmark as one of the supporters? I ask because they voted for a ceasefire recently

So maybe the quotes from the PM etc really are indicative of their concern because at the same time there’s a vote for ceasefire

The article you linked to is clearly outdated though seeing as Hamas are no longer purely nationalists as they are now planning terrorist attacks in Europe too. Also, lovely photo there of Hamas in Jerusalem 2014 aka not Gaza and also before this war apparently created the first ever Hamas supporters outside of Gaza.

"Bad people". You really are too much.

I'm not sure what you're confused by. Maybe collateral damage isn't the right word? I don't know, English isn't my mother tongue. I mean people who are killed alongside those who are targeted.

I also never used the word "just"

www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-germany-denmark-terror-attacks-foiled-against-jewish-targets/

Something more up to date and specific to Jewish targets

Jewish people are civillians too unless you think they aren't? Palestinians are being targeted does that make them not civillians? If more civillians get dragged into it is terribly sad but mumsnet has educated me that that's what happens in wars. It's to be expected apparently.

The article is from the 30th of October - hardly prehistoric is it ? you’re right though in the meantime we’ve had thousands more dead children and increasing polarization so perhaps a change in strategy. Who knows.

And would you prefer I use “human animals”? Is that sort of terminology more up your alley?

No, terrorists will suffice

@EasternStandard well said. I don't understand given the direct quote from the danish government how the narrative can be confused.

Perhaps certain posters are limited and just find it confusing why a terror cell might expand the geography of its targets especially when attention is focused else where.

I'm not sure what you're confused by. Maybe collateral damage isn't the right word? I don't know, English isn't my mother tongue. I mean people who are killed alongside those who are targeted

Well collateral damage isn’t the best term to describe dead people is it? It seems a bit detached and clinical. A bit euphemistic.

In fact it can come across as dismissive though I am not saying you meant it that way. But that’s how it sounds. You don’t call the people who were killed on October 7 collateral damage do you? (though Hamas might do I guess)

I hope the British government has eyes on the marches in London in light of recent developments. It puts some of the placards and chants under an even bigger microscope.

Firstly, Palestinians are not targeted. Secondly, Jews are not Israelis. I'm not Israeli. Why would this purely nationalist terrorist group want to harm me? What have I got to do with the war going on in Gaza between Israel and Hamas? The answer is, of course, fuck all. Except Hamas don't just want to get rid of Israel, they want to get rid of all the Jews. Which you have apparently decided to make a bit of a joke out of, which is a bold choice on your part. A slightly psychopathic choice, but also a bold one.

I will call happily call them that when they’ve been convicted of terrorism. Until then I’ll stick with bad people. Thanks.

What word should I have used to describe someone who is a victim of terrorism but not the target? I was trying to make some kind of distinction to explain that the targets are specifically Jews.

What word should I have used to describe someone who is a victim of terrorism but not the target?

Is there any reason why they can’t be referred to as a victim even if they were not the target?

Ok so I guess you can stop calling Israel's actions genocide and war crimes now then as they've not been convicted of it 🙌🏻

I'm not joking around I just genuinely don't see what's so special about German civillians that suddenly makes people who are adamant that civillians get killed that's what happens start wailing about the possibility of civillians getting killed. Germany is a big supporter of attempted genocide, they've involved themselves in this as has the UK and the US. You can't sit around being like fuck yeah war then act surprised when it comes to your doorstep and it might be your civillians in jeopardy as well as Palestinian ones.