Hamas planned attacks on Jewish people in Europe

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Have seen in the news - I suspect it’s the tip of the iceberg and absolutely terrifying for Jewish people everywhere. Hamas need to be stopped, hopefully this helps to reinforce that they are a terrorist group and not some romantic notion about being ‘freedom fighters’

I think we're just fed up of you gaslighting by misappropriating the words terrorism, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc.

It's not a surprise everyone has been warning about increased radicalisation by Israel actions - MI5/Khan and in the US

" Not only have U.S. officials warned that the reaction could inspire attacks on the West, but some experts also say Israel’s retaliation, too, is only likely to beget more violence."
Israel’s bombardment of Gaza could be potent recruitment tool for Hamas, experts warn (nbcnews.com)

I don't remember using the word antisemite in any of my posts? I guess you see what you want to see

I think you need to look up the definition of gaslighting. Or maybe go back to defending the IDF’s use of children as human shields.

I commented earlier on the so-called evidence that IDF use children as human shields. It is absolutely not in the same sense that Hamas do, and reporting it as such is sensationalist and deliberately misleading.

No, it's not a surprise because we all knew Hamas weren't just after Israel but also after the death to all Jews all along.

MI5 is monitoring for increased risks to the UK as the Israel-Gaza war continues, its head has told the BBC.
"One of the things that concerns me most right now, is to understand quite what the shape of the UK impact will be," Ken McCallum said in an interview.
He also warned there was a risk that events in the Middle East could radicalise people towards violence.

MI5 fears Israel-Gaza war could fuel radicalisation - BBC News

Not one single civilian should die especially children.

You’re totally right, strapping kids to tanks is pretty benign human shield behavior. I bet those kids asked for it too because their grandparents voted for Hamas.

This is an example of gaslighting @Pizdietz. for future reference check out this poster. She’ll teach you well.

Violence begets violence . Plus look at support for Hamas trebling in the recent poll talked about on here
Israel's response is endangering us all along with the US and it's no red lines. What's the end game? It time for Israel to let the rest of the world in on its clever plan.
As I said before having the Oxbridge educated, UK born, Israeli spokesman deny killing children, deny the casualty statistics, deny any humanitarian problems in Gaza whilst immediately expressing fear for the safety of his UK friends and families due to rising anti Semitism is enough to frustrate a very moderate person never mind a half radicalised one.

What's this news source ? Have there actually been any attacks ? I would have thought Hammas are pretty occupied with being annihilated along with the population of Gaza.

But that's like saying all Palestinians are responsible for Hamas.

Of course.

Good luck with that in any war situation, though.

That's why sane governments do their best to avoid war rather than deliberately starting them.

No it’s like saying all Muslims are responsible for Hamas - ridiculous

Yes, I really understand what you're saying here and empathise with it.

Apart from "It's time for Israel to let the rest of the world in on its clever plan."

You really think they have a clever plan and were not forced into this horrible situation? What would your clever plan be, if you were in their shoes?

So for the threat to Europe there are lots of stories out there. Not many seem interested though and instead bring other threads here etc.

Guessing either some don't believe hamas are a threat to people in Europe (until one attack succeeds) or would rather just slate Israel on every thread.

There have been threats flagged in Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands as per links posted earlier in thread for anyone interested. I see the UK also concerned.

Their supporters who generally hate Jewish people or westerners are a current threat.

Hamas always had support. That's why they remained in power. That's why people celebrated while wearing green headbands when Hamas slaughtered, maimed and kidnapped so many people in Israel just over two months ago. It's just that now people don't feel the need to pretend they don't support Hamas as now it is deemed acceptable. The support has always been there. Abbas won't even condemn Hamas' actions and he's supposedly in opposition to them.

And before you all descend - I'm not saying all Palestinians support Hamas. I'm saying they've always had support. Not from everyone, but from enough people to keep them in power

This is worrying. Seeing some obviously pro hamas placards, chants and a couple of anti hamas individuals being surrounded and shut down on marches might make some think striking out is a good move. Terrorists are vile and want to cause confusion and division and they are making a great job of it

What I hate more than anything in the world is the bombing, intentional starvation and forced displacement of children, and those who continue to rationalize and defend it. I haven’t said anywhere I don’t think Hamas are bad, the opposite actually if you’d read my posts on other threads. It’s much easier for you to go with your lazy and prejudiced assumptions though, and that’s entirely on you.

I am actually interested in discussing this - I just get rounded on by people for having an opposing viewpoint every time I post and it descends into trading barbs.

I do not believe that prior to the current conflict Hamas presented any form of threat to Europe. This objective doesn’t align to their most recent manifesto. Do I think the current conflict has raised the threat in Europe? Potentially yes because society is becoming more polarized as a result of what’s happening and we’ve seen significant rises in hate crime both against Muslims and Jews. European political support / endorsement for Israel’s actions is also deeply unpopular with many. The tensions are also not being helped by the rhetoric of the Israeli government who are trying their hardest to position this as some kind of a religious conflict - see BN’s delightful references to Amalek and others talking about the reestablishment of settlements in Gaza etc.

@Desertrose2023 you mentioned a false narrative in a pp.

Given the links to quotes from Danish and German spokespeople / PMs do you think they are setting up this false narrative?

It does not help to reduce the risks towards all of us if we see the difficulties in Western countries happening in silo from what is happening in the Gaza and the West Bank.

That was my reaction too.