Conflict Israel and other nearby countries

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Israel is at war with Gaza. However , this has dragged other countries in the area as well.
weve heard about the problems in West Bank (there is a thread) but also Lebanon where civilians have been killed and journalists have been targeted and killed

they’ve also attacked several airports in Siria.

ive read in the past there was a conflict as well with Yemen and read now this” Yemen's Houthis warn they will target all ships headed to Israel”

it doesn’t sound that post this war living in Israel is going to be safer than before

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/yemens-houthis-say-they-will-target-ships-red-sea-en-route-israel-2023-12-09/

So many conspiracy theorists who clearly don't understand anything about any part of the region and so much killing.

Conspiracy.... because they didn't like the fact its emerged it wasn't Israel

@BelleHathor 'it's too perfect'

@FOJN 'it's a bit fishy'

Didn't fit what they wanted it to 😂

Yeah, Conspiracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

I tell you I'm certain about nothing and you think I'm a conspiracy theorist.

I'm unable to reason with paranoia.

In many conflicts and regions of the world we have been given an official narrative which later turned out to be a complete lie.

Something about the NY Times article seemed off to me so I'm keeping an open mind.

I am glad that it looks like Iran won't be getting involved at the moment.

I'm laughing rather than paranoid 🤣

Well good for you for finding humour in a discussion about war when thousands of people have already been killed.

Oh dear. Typical response.

I'm not laughing about thousands being killed as you well know. 🙄

No, your reaction is predictable and paranoid.

You have interpreted an "open mindedness" as determination to pin the attack on Israel.

What it actually means is that I have considered several scenarios, including the possibility of a false flag operation by an Iranian proxy to try to provoke them to join the war. It's impossible for us to truly understand the dynamics between these groups and their relationship with Iran but "biting the hand that feeds" seems like a risky strategy so I'm not convinced by that idea.

I really don't care what you think. A bit 'fishy' made me laugh, so what, thanks for the laugh. I don't think anyone at the NYT gives a monkeys that some conspiracy theorist thinks its fishy or whether you think it's 'false flag' etc.

Have a lovely day. Try not to take yourself so seriously.

I think it's important to question... even if it's uncomfortable.

But when people only ever question how they can make Israel responsible for something, that's a bit of a problem.

Only questioning when something doesn't suit your own narrative is not a good thing.

Huge barrage up North yesterday (drones and rockets) from Hezbollah. Sirens across a large number of communities (I have seen reports of up to 90 communities, but can't confirm). Hezbollah claims they targeted a military installation on Mt Meron and that they fired 62 rockets.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hezbollah-says-it-hit-israeli-observation-post-with-62-rockets-2024-01-06/

Iran. Poor woman.

apple.news/ANCs5EjwhSkCM0wv2cyTHiQ

Stomach churning 😥, what an exceptionally courageous woman

What sort of world do we live in where a woman is whipped 74 times for merely not covering her head. Mediaeval rules set by men. Sick.

I think also a timely reminder of Arab States who have normalised relations with Israel or were very close to is needed:

Egypt
Jordan
Bahrain

Similar deals followed with Morocco and Sudan.

Saudi Arabia was very close to a deal with Israel and the US has indicated Saudi is still in favour.

Of course, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah rejected these as did Hamas. Surprise, surprise(!)

This indicates the direction of travel in the region from 1979 to 2023. In other words, Western, Israeli and Arab States WILL decide what any future settlement will look like in the region.

@Trulywonderful you're correct that it's very difficult to see anything other than continuing normalisation of relations between Israel and various Arab States. Especially when Water For Peace becomes even more important in the region as climate change really kicks in. Israel already supplies Jordan with water, for example, and has since their 1994 deal, I think.

apple.news/Aqg01r3lhRKymGRUL1s5nVw

Interesting article on Egyptian officials suspected of manipulating the crisis for financial gain.

This is true
It's terrible, remember one day I was telling you how there are many bad players who exploit the war. This is what I meant

As one of the bad things happening

Israel sells water to Jordan because Israel dammed and diverted the Jordan River which runs along the Israel-Jordan boundary, reducing the once adequate Jordanian water supply to a trickle.

If Israel was the evil country in a James Bond movie viewers would complain that it was unnuanced annd unrealistic.

Far from the full story as the Arab League were the ones who planned to divert water which would have had an effect on the Sea Of Galilee.

Indeed, the Arab League very clearly stated that "the Arab states have to prepare the plans necessary for dealing with the political, economic and social aspects, so that if necessary results are not achieved, collective Arab military preparations, when they are not completed, will constitute the ultimate practical means for the final liquidation of Israel" in relation to their diversion plan.

And that was part of their goal. Quite correctly, Israel responded militarily to this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headwater_Diversion_Plan_(Jordan_River)

As for Jordan, they provide Israel with solar energy and Israel provides Jordan with water.

https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/israel-jordan-move-forward-with-water-for-energy-deal-2022-11-08/

Expect more deals like this in future which I've no doubt will be the foundation upon which Israeli-Arab normalisation of relations will be built upon.

@Thereissomelight I don't know why you feel the need to do that... without at least checking the facts first.

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I guess it depends on where you look for your information.

So where do you get your information?

On the contrary, it depends on your own particular bias. In this case, that Israel alone is to blame for diversion of water.

But the Arab League itself had planned to do so with Israel in order to destroy the State. Indeed, "a detailed military plan for Israel's destruction which was approved at the Third (September 1965) Arab Summit."

And:

"The Arab Diversion had its roots in a 1953 agreement between Syria and Jordan for the allocation of water diverted from the Hasbani and/or the Banias into a proposed dam on the Yarmuk. Syria would get three-quarters of the hydropower produced at a dam at Adassiye, and Jordan would get the water, "instead of it going to the Mediterranean, the Dead Sea, or the Jews"."

https://archive.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/80859e/80859E07.htm

So, the Arab States' plan was based on anti-semitism from the beginning.

If you're determined to completely ignore all of that....Well, that's not my problem. 🤷‍♂️