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Horrors of violence towards women on October the 7th suppressed

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mids2019 · 04/12/2023 21:05

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67613153

It looks like the UN may have been reluctant to investigate or highlight the sickening sexual violence committed on October 7th. It also appears some of the hostages may have been abused.

Was this because the horrendous violence doesn't fit in with that purely Palestinians are victims of this ongoing conflict? Are investigations into these crimes because women are viewed as second class citizens or the revelations 'muddy the waters' where some just want to see one side as the victim.

Israeli soldiers hug as they look at pictures of the Nova music festival victims at the site of the festival near Kibbutz Reim

Hamas planned sexual violence as weapon of war - Israeli campaigner

An Israeli campaigner says militants planned acts of sexual violence committed in October's attack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67613153

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SomeCatFromJapan · 05/12/2023 13:36

@hangingonfordearlife1 watch this link and then come back and deny the extreme sexual violence and sexual torture:

https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1731794117074596075

stomachameleon · 05/12/2023 13:44

@XRAYTHIS thank you for posting this information. I fail to understand why (given the thread name) anyone would come and here and chose to deny women.

And evidence seeking in the light of so much verified footage from web cams is ghoulish. You have to wonder about people?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 05/12/2023 13:46

Very disappointed this thread was pulled and that posters here in good faith have had comments removed for rightly calling people out for their hatred and denial of suffering of jews. The way antisemitism and racism is dealt with on this forum is very disappointing.

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 13:46

SomeCatFromJapan · 05/12/2023 13:36

@hangingonfordearlife1 watch this link and then come back and deny the extreme sexual violence and sexual torture:

Specifically targeting sexual organs, with
guns or knives. I'm not surprised at all.

XRAYTHIS · 05/12/2023 13:52

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 13:46

Specifically targeting sexual organs, with
guns or knives. I'm not surprised at all.

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It makes me sick to read it. Those poor victims. Yet women's groups have been largely silent.

It makes me sad that women struggle to call out and condemn how men, violent sick men use rape as a weapon. These vile men used their bodies to rape until some victims had broken pelvises, they used items to rape. The list of sick barbarity goes on and on, yet many just turn away or deny, minimise or what about...

stomachameleon · 05/12/2023 14:04

I initially reported some of the posts but actually in hindsight I think it's a good thing the more 'bat shit' of them stand as it points out the disgusting way women are treated and the fight women have to be recognised after sexual violence.

If the 'Susan's' on here want to aid rape apologist to terrorist sympathiser it's on them. *

There are multiple other threads people can go on to discuss events relating to the conflict and people should pick appropriately. Not diminish and question documented sexual violence.

(Susan is not an actual person and this is not aimed at one person)

Sussurations · 05/12/2023 14:09

I tend to agree stomachameleon. Im
deeply saddened by the antisemitism I am seeing because it’s just so blatant. #metoo unless you’re a Jew indeed. The denial that something we know happens all the time, everywhere, under all kinds of circumstances - sexual violence against women - and which has long been used as a cheap, effective weapon of war and terror, happened in this context is disgusting. But it shows those posters for who they are.

backtowinter · 05/12/2023 14:33

@hangingonfordearlife1
"They won't because most of it is not true. countless videos of hostages who are well cared for paints a massively different picture"

What exactly isn't true?

The terrorism? The rape and mutilation and murder?

How can you say most of it isn't true. How can you actually deny rape and murder?

Muthaofcats · 05/12/2023 14:38

The lunatic fringe and racist comments aside; reading so many people calling this atrocity and the shocking silence of orgs like UN and amnesty out and hearing so many of you standing in solidarity with the Jewish women and children does warm my heart.
So thank you, from a very frightened Jewish woman and mother x

Depdawg · 05/12/2023 14:39

They still come back saying hostages were treated well.
Imagine reading everything that went on and still believe Hamas never have a plan. They are devious.
They want the world to know they are evil. They don't care. Their mission is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
They will let you see glimpses of reasonableness.
We know what they are capable of, what they have done.
But they treated some hostages well 🙄

pickledandpuzzled · 05/12/2023 14:55

@Muthaofcats I’m horrified and sickened by the situation- what happened, and the world’s sluggish, blinkered response.

SomeCatFromJapan · 05/12/2023 15:33

This is a CNN report, it's just short of 10 minutes long.

https://twitter.com/DanaBashCNN/status/1732035040937132243

Israel has spent painstaking weeks collating evidence and witness testimony.

https://twitter.com/DanaBashCNN/status/1732035040937132243

Anotherdayanotherdiet · 05/12/2023 15:33

I’m horrified and sickened by the situation- what happened, and the world’s sluggish, blinkered response.

If I were Israeli I would be more concerned about the fact my own government had allowed Hamas to rule in Gaza in the name of political expediency and failed to anticipate/prevent the attacks than anything the other governments may or may not say.

But yes, implying that Hamas have treated their hostages well is beyond a joke and denying their crimes is downright disturbed.

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mids2019 · 05/12/2023 15:49

@Depdawg

That was always depressingly going to be case in my opinion. I think it is disingenuous to think that given the level of barbarity women were subject to on 7/10 hostages would not be subject as well.

The false narrative of hostages being treated 'well' is collapsing.

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mids2019 · 05/12/2023 15:55

I wonder if having left leaning progressive values that have until now included the Palestinian 'cause' is causing a real problem especially if the value set includes feminism?

To so many Palestine has been seen as a ' just cause' and these sickening events shatter their world view so they would rather ignore the barbarity rather than fundamentally re evaluate their value set?

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TheaBrandt · 05/12/2023 16:03

It’s like a far worse version of the cologne attacks. That was the first time I realised how misogynistic the Left could be after naively thinking they were the “good guys”.

The Guardian refused to report those attacks then when forced to a female journalist did a comment piece about how it was the women’s fault they were attacked because they had mobile phones and western lifestyles. .

Ruminate2much · 05/12/2023 16:12

mids2019 · 05/12/2023 15:55

I wonder if having left leaning progressive values that have until now included the Palestinian 'cause' is causing a real problem especially if the value set includes feminism?

To so many Palestine has been seen as a ' just cause' and these sickening events shatter their world view so they would rather ignore the barbarity rather than fundamentally re evaluate their value set?

I think for some that's true. But, I can say that for me personally, as a Green Party voter (I'm actually not that political, but The Green Party seems the most peaceful) I've got no problem recognising that Hamas are evil, and committed terrible atrocities on October 7th. As a woman I cannot and will not betray other women.
I also think that Netanyahu and others in the Israeli government are committing terrible war crimes against innocent Palestinians. To me, I don't, and never have, felt a need to pick a side. Crimes against innocent people on both sides. I just find the whole thing completely heartbreaking all round. I've got Northern Irish origins, and I know there that the vast vast majority of people just wanted to peacefully get on with their lives. I assume it's the same in the middle-east? I've never been though. But ultimately people are people.
I know what you mean though OP. I've encountered people who are usually very outspoken about violence against women who seem to be making an exception, and I don't understand - you can support the human rights of Palestinians and Israelis. The two things are not mutually exclusive to me at all.

Ruminate2much · 05/12/2023 16:23

The whole right wing/left wing thing confuses me. I reckon most people are mix of both, depending on the issue. Also, some causes change sides. I also think many things aren't political, but they somehow become aligned with one political side or the other. I find it very confusing. I've met lovely people who vote for all the main parties. To me, the issue of acknowledging innocent women being victims of atrocities on October 7th shouldn't be a right or left issue, it's just common decency and humanity.

Ruminate2much · 05/12/2023 16:29

I meant to thank you by the way OP for starting this thread. It's something I've found incredibly distressing, and it needed highlighting.