Just sick

[ideaspls]

Am still in disbelief five weeks later that this was allowed to happen.

how did the world just sit and watch as this was allowed to happen?

now disease will ravage the rest of the displaced population 😞

The Israeli government should be ashamed…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/deaths-from-disease-in-gaza-could-outstrip-deaths-from-war-un-says

This in a nutshell.

Who denied it and ignored it?

if you agree that Israel have a right to defend themselves by killing 1000s and 1000s of Palestinian citizens, then you must also agree that Hamas had a right to kill 900 civilians to protect Palestinians that Israel has been murdering all year long

This was your full quote. These two actions are not comparable. I am not saying I agree with it, but I imagine the Israeli government’s aim is to exact a response so overwhelming that no-one dares to attack them like this again. Whether or that that is likely to work, or have the opposite effect, is debateable. And people can argue till the cows come home about the morality of it and what a ‘proportional’ response would have been ( what Israel should have done is noticeably absent from these discussions, probably because that is very difficult to answer). But one can still see, even if one vehemently disagrees with the tactics, that the ultimate goal of the Israeli government is to protect their citizens and their country long term through their current actions.

There is no such justification for Hamas. They are the de facto government of Gaza. Their murder,,rape and torture of Israeli citizens was manifestly not going to protect their citizens and was deliberately carried out with an appalling level of barbarity, and filmed and posted online to goad the Israeli government with, to bring down retribution from the Israeli government onto their own citizens, which Hamas now celebrate as ‘martyrdom’.

So I’m sorry, but your analogy is really not accurate.

No, they are not. The population of Gaza is over 700,000. Get a grip.

Indeed it is awful all round to be honest.

What's your solution OP, what do you propose we do?

Do you actually have a proven reference about a baby baked in an oven ? Has this been confirmed and fact checked ? No it hasn’t and you know that, so stop with your evil propaganda.

@restabove it's a fact. Look at what they have failed to do. On more than one occasion.
@ssd you still haven't answered what you would have done? As you have all the answers?

Yeah, fuck em! There's no where for the majority of them to live, not enough food or water and they'll end up dropping like flies soon due to disease but there's still plenty of them alive so that's OK

Yes it has. And I notice you don't dispute the rest. Nobody made them do it.

@Stomacharmeleon you were blaming them for the babies dying. Red Cross has nothing to do with that and you know it. Disgusting accusation when you know full well it was the IDF.

You complained me yesterday for mentioning that children died in the bombardment. You wont allow any mention of Palestinian children on threads about Israeli hostages.

There's nothing you can do, you're getting worked up about something where you're not going to go and do anything about it, you can't make any change.

This did not start on Oct 07.

Well that makes it all OK then, hamas a terrorist organisation baked a baby in an oven so it's open season on Palestinian babies . Just leave them to die on their own in hospitals or bomb them , it's all OK because hamas did it

not sure you’re making much sense. As they’re over 700k people are you saying that they are not being annihilated. ??

hope you don’t tell the Jewish community they never were destroyed during the holocaust as there was more than 700k people 🤔

Yet you are not providing the referenced proof are you ? We see you !

Oh the irony.

That's a terrible thing to say. The situation for Palestinians is desperate and appalling but hyperbolic yelling about Israel wanting to kill them all isnt getting anyone anywhere. A proper diplomatic solution has to be found where all civilians can be secure. Getting rid of Hamas is obviously the only way to secure that for Palestinians and Israelis alike.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/nov/29/publishers-launch-initiative-to-highlight-palestinian-authors-and-history

As an aside, if anyone wants to brush up on their Palestinian history, there's lots of free ebooks available for a week only. Might help people understand the plight of Palestinians prior to what happened on October 7th.

Here is a direct link to the books: https://publishersforpalestine.org/2023/11/29/free-ebooks-for-readpalestine-week-november-29-december-5/

The babies murdered in ovens or beheaded is unimaginable. Really sick and beyond comprehension. No one hearing that can forget it. But does that justify the hundreds and hundreds of babies crushed and blown to smithereens by Israel??? Does it????

It isn't a competition. The pro Israel posters continually bringing up the murdered babies on oct 7th are coming across unhinged.

It isnt murder top trumps. Stop trying to make it that.

There is denial and handwaving on this very thread.

I have seen several posts (in good faith or not I don’t know) on MN saying that we do not have proof that there were rapes committed by Hamas.

There have been posts saying that babies were not beheaded, as though it’s fine to murder babies as long as they are not beheaded 🤷‍♀️

I don’t think you will find many full-throated defences of Netanyahu or West Bank settlers on MN, I don’t think anyone is saying that Palestinian lives are worth less than Israeli lives - i certainly don’t think so.

But I see posters implying that Israel is to blame for Hamas’s attacks. That’s simply not true. Nothing could ever possibly justify those attacks. But let’s go with that idea - it’s Israel’s fault, they made Hamas commit those attacks not in a sadistic rampage but as brave freedom fighters. All right then, apart from killing some Jews what was the intention? To make peace? To resolve Palestine’s issues? To bring Israel, with its extremely right-wing govt that many of its own population do not support and indeed were protesting against, to the negotiating table?

Or was it to blow up dialogue between Israel and Saudi Arabia, to provoke war, to create suffering for both Israelis AND PALESTINIANS - in fact the more the Palestinians suffer the better, from their point of view - and to foment division in the West?

Most sane people want a two state solution but the Arabs didn’t want that in 1948 and Hamas don’t want it now. And if we go back into the past to look for reasons and justifications, how far back should we go?

Getting rid of the Israeli government might be helpful too, also not keeping Palestinians in an open air prison controlling everything they do

I do wonder about the motivation ( and psychology) of posters like this. We know so much about what they did do, it was deliberate cruelty, physical, sexual and psychological. So even if that one thing never happened, does this poster think that means Hamas were not so bad after all? Is this an attempt at a defense of the morality of Hamas? How is it evil to get one thing wrong about people who did deliberately and consciously commit planned and trained for great evil?