Just sick

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Am still in disbelief five weeks later that this was allowed to happen.

how did the world just sit and watch as this was allowed to happen?

now disease will ravage the rest of the displaced population 😞

The Israeli government should be ashamed…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/deaths-from-disease-in-gaza-could-outstrip-deaths-from-war-un-says

If you're just going to ignore the Israeli blockade on Gaza then there's no point discussing this further.

Israel apologists have all been brainwashed into thinking their nation are benevolent cuddly people who don’t routinely practice apartheid and brutal military occupation and rule. Of course they’ll ignore the role Israel has had to play in creating and supporting and arming Hamas.

The Israeli blockade of the last few weeks is not the reason why life in Gaza has been miserable for a long time.

If you’re complaining that Israel are no longer willing to provide infrastructure to Gaza after their leadership declared war, then you’re howling. Why would Israel continue to provide food, water and electricity to a state that has declared war on them?

Again, Gaza has a border with Egypt. Why don’t Egypt allow electricity, water, food and anything else into Gaza? Israel has no control over the southern border. Gaza didn’t invade, capture, rape and torture Egyptian citizens. They did it to the Israelis.

I think Israelis have been capturing, raping and torturing Palestinian citizens for decades, though. Haven’t they?

Sorry Israel arming Hamas? BN played a role in trying to allow Gazans work visas and turning a blind eye to Hamas diversion of aid funding- and I think he’ll pay a political price for that. But Israel didn’t arm Hamas. Iran does that. Iran fund Hamas. Hamas also steal billions, so yes, the UK, US, EU have all, indirectly, funded Hamas by giving aid. But not Israel.

No, I don’t think so. I have never seen GoPro footage of an Israeli raid into Gaza and mass kidnapping and parading half naked raped women through the street to be spat on.

I'm talking about the blockade of the last 16 years or so.

They're always murdering Palestinians though. They killed 200 in 2023 before October.

You mean border control? Like…every country in the world has? Like how when you move from the UK to France you have your vehicle inspected and have to provide a manifest of the goods you’re moving? That blockade?

Or are you talking the last 16 years where Israel has provided water and power to Gaza?

Which one are you referring to?

In fact, Gigi Haddid has JUST apologised for making this exact remark because it wasn’t factual…

As I said, you ignore the blockade so discussing this with you is pointless. Your last post is ridiculous.

Like Hamas are always murdering Israelis? I mean they’re worse at it, but the Iron Dome wasn’t invented for fun.

• at least the Israelis do things like the knock on the roof and leaflet drops. It’s just a shame that once Hamas know that Israel are targeting a building they force all the women and children to stand on the roof. Cause, you know, Hamas like killing Palestinians.

Which is a vast, vast difference. Collateral damage is nothing even like the same as targeting civilians. Except when Hamas claim that every Jew is a settler and therefore a valid military target.

Which blockade are you referring to? For the last 16 years Israel has allowed the flow of aid into Gaza, along with supplying water and electricity.

The blockade for the last 16 years has been border control.

The current blockade is what happens. Have you noticed the sanctions against Russia for its acts of aggression in Ukraine?

Hamas, the governing body of Gaza, launched an attack on Israel. Israel have closed down the border and ceased all trade. There are other options- they could trade with Egypt. The fact that you think Israel should still provide services to Gaza (of which Hamas will benefit) after their attack is just absurd.

Well it doesn’t help if Israel keeps bombing the only existing exit - the Rafah crossing! Is this what a civilised country does as border control?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231010-gaza-egypt-crossing-hit-by-israel-for-second-day-afp

From the article you just linked:

Egypt has jointly blockaded Gaza since 2007. Now, in effect this means that Egypt and Israel have both been interested in limiting the arms flowing into Gaza because they don’t want Hamas armed. Thats cause back when Hamas got into Jordan they tried to assassinate the King and start a coup.

so yes- there are border controls around Gaza, and neither Egypt nor Israel are prepared to let goods flow without inspection because they don’t want certain things in Gaza (like arms).

The current blockade, again, is what happens. If you rely on Israel for your water and electricity, and you don’t want them to turn off the tap, then don’t invade, rape, torture and murder them.

Keep in mind that this is really about a step too far- Hamas have been launching rockets at Israel for the last 15-16 years and they haven’t stopped the supply of basic civilian infrastructure. Israel has tolerated a HUGE amount and kept aid and other supplies flowing. But now the October 7 attack was obviously too much.

I really can't believe that there are people this naive? Do you think the Palestinians killed by Israel this year prior to 7/10 had leaflet drops to let them know when they were going to be shot? That they knock on the door during the day to let children know that that night they will be bursting into their homes, dragging them out of bed and taking them away to be tortured?

What about this testimony from a teacher in Area C: On an exam day in May 2018 the soldiers threw sound bombs, devices which emit extremely loud and even deafening noises, into the school grounds. Israeli settlers accompanied the military into the school grounds and began breaking the teachers’ car windows. As the soldiers teargassed the school, the teachers made the decision to evacuate the students from the grounds.

^^ Are those the actions of benevolent people who just want to live in peace and are only protecting their borders like every other country out their?

‘The Occupying Power shall, with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions devoted to the care and education of children.’ - This is from the Geneva convention, do you think Israel are abiding by international law?

You don't need to spend much time looking to find that Israel have been terrorising Palestinians from a young age for decades. Nothing can fixed whilst Israel and their supporters pretend that their shit doesn't stink.

Then you need to look a little bit harder instead of being so wilfully ignorant. You’ll find plenty online of IDF brutality. Go ahead and search, but you won’t. Your rhetoric is really embarrassing.

Israel is not a civilised country. We need to stop pretending it’s a shining beacon of democracy.

From Wikipedia.

Exit and entry into Gaza is prohibited by sea and air. There are only three crossings to go in and out of Gaza, two of them controlled by Israel and one by Egypt. According to a 2022 report by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, the blockade has significantly reduced movement of people and goods due to reduction in number of exit permits by Israel.[2]

Crossings were repeatedly shut and buffer zones were reinstated. Imports declined, exports were blocked, and fewer Gazans were given exit permits to Israel and the West Bank.

exactly the same scenario between uk and France. Where you can’t go to France without French permission. And you can’t enter uk via air or water because France doesn’t allow it. Maybe next time use a better example.

regarding water, maybe if Israel didn’t impose rules about how to collect water and use it as a weapon then gaza wouldnt need to be provided water

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/

One of its most devastating consequences is the impact of Israel’s discriminatory policies on Palestinians’ access to adequate supplies of clean and safe water.

November 1967 the Israeli authorities issued Military Order 158, which stated that Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain. Palestinians living under Israel’s military occupation continue to suffer the devastating consequences of this order until today. They are unable to drill new water wells, install pumps or deepen existing wells, in addition to being denied access to the Jordan River and fresh water springs. Israel even controls the collection of rain water throughout most of the West Bank, and rainwater harvesting cisterns owned by Palestinian communities are often destroyed by the Israeli army. As a result, some 180 Palestinian communities in rural areas in the occupied West Bank have no access to running water, according to OCHA. Even in towns and villages which are connected to the water network, the taps often run dry.

Yes - but why bomb the only current crossing that would allow in aid?

For the same reason they are preventing the flow of anything into Gaza- whatever comes in Hamas has control of. They don’t want Hamas to get more to use against them

All the humanitarian aid is security checked by Israel at Kerem Shalom 25 miles from the Rafah Crossing

Even when the UN provided proof that weapons-free aid wasn't falling into the hands of Hamas once it got into Gaza - Israel still refused to budge

Weapon smuggling is only a part of it

Israel have been behaving this way long before Hamas. Not sure how old you are but I grew up in the 80s and every other day you were hearing about killings, border issues and Israeli brutality. You seem to be very selective in your evidence and also you very easily dismiss any poster that points out the actual facts about Israeli control and brutality in Gaza. Your information on the region is very simplistic, naive and wrong. Most posters have a more objective informed view

They were searching all aid going in - it had to be unpacked and repacked. Didn’t need to be made more difficult and impossible at times -according to Egypt, due to actually bombing the crossing.