Just sick

[ideaspls]

Am still in disbelief five weeks later that this was allowed to happen.

how did the world just sit and watch as this was allowed to happen?

now disease will ravage the rest of the displaced population 😞

The Israeli government should be ashamed…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/deaths-from-disease-in-gaza-could-outstrip-deaths-from-war-un-says

I get why people would want to discredit and smear organisations like the UN and WHO that speak out against injustices carried out by Israeli govt in Palestine, especially if those individuals have a pro-Israeli government agenda.

It just makes me respect the UN even more that they call out what they perceive to be likely Israeli govt war crimes towards Palestinians, especially in the face of smear campaigns.

I agree OP, it's awful.
Also, with regard blaming Hamas, Hamas are fucking terrorists, the idea of expecting decent standards of behaviour and concern for civilians from a terrorist organisation is laughable. We should however absolutely expect the above from an elected government .

This. The UN have a useful role but I don't think it's as an ultimate moral arbiter or even a source to be uncritically accepted. High ideals no doubt but lots of compromise and competing interests as it's essentially a microcosm of all the nations of the world jostling for position.

@ideaspls How did the world just sit and watch as this was allowed to happen?

Have you, in the circumstances in which you live, done everything you possibly could to prevent 'this' from happening? You cannot take the whole world's responsibilities. You can only take your own.

I'm in total agreement. This horror didn't start on October 7th. What Hamas did was truly barbaric and the Israeli government were always going to respond. But there seems to be little desire for a peaceful settlement and a disregard of the thousands of children who have lost their lives. Two wrongs don't make a right. The current situation in Palestine where millions of people have no health care is nothing less than a scandal.

Clearly the correct and measured response is to destroy and annihilate an entire population.

@eardefender and not forgetting Arafat's widow...

Yasser Arafat's widow is worth in the hundreds of millions and lives in the EU (Malta) with vast real estate holdings in London and other places. She and her daughter (who never set foot in Israel or Palestine) are permanent UNWRA refugees and receive over 100k a year from the Palestinian money bucket. How did they get that money?

Stealing from Palestinians.

Mazook, Sinyar and hinyar are all millionaires. How did they make that money?

Stealing from Palestinians.

If there is peace and children go to school, people go to work, university, have a normal family life,,the end of the sad story then that money stops flowing.

The Palestinian 'leadership' are creating victims so the pity money keeps flowing in from the west making the hierarchy rich.

Stealing from refugees. They don't care about the Palestinians in Gaza they care about the money.

I agree OP. The US should have cut aid to Israel immediately when it became clear that they have no regard for international law. Israel should have been treated the same way as Russia and sanctioned harshly for their lack of self-control. There are many questions to be answered about why Israel has received special treatment and has been allowed to breach international law with no repercussions.

Many posters say that Israel breaks the law. Can anyone give any detail on this? What law has Israel broken and if so why has no one brought them to book? Why no successful prosecutions?

They are not annhilating an entire population. The situation is desperate enough for Palestinians without such hyperbole.

How so? with the amount of hits on Gaza there have been remarkably few civilians killed. Israel also warn civilians to leave areas, therefore making an effort to preserve civilian life and putting their own soldiers in danger by doing so. If they wanted to annihilate the entire population, as you say, then they can do this in a day, which they don't. So many posters on here claim that Israel is genocidal and ethnically cleansing palestinians. Seems to be they are going after terrorists and trying to avoid civilian deaths, Can anyone offer evidence of genocide and ethnic cleansing by Israel?

There is a big search engine that people use called Google. Look it up yourself. Why trust the other poster ?

Whether Israel has breached international law is very much open to debate and will be decided by lawyers not ill-informed people in the court of mumsnet. Israel has an absolute right to defend itself and Hamas have breached all kinds of human rights laws consistently - towards its own people, not to mention Israelis. The death toll is horrific but noone has yet explained to me what Israel could reasonably be expected to do in the light of 7 October & Hamas's stated intention to reoeat, and repeat. I hope very much key nations in the region will play a part in a diplomatic solution but if Hamas will not surrender and will not commit to accepting Israel's right to exist and Jewish people's right to live how can progress be made?

I suspect there are many war crimes being committed at the moment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#By_the_Israeli_government

Unsurprisingly, these things take time to be prosecuted, evidence gathered and so on. So at this stage it's odd to ask why they've not yet been prosecuted.

Numerous charges of war crimes have been levied against Israel for its actions against civilians. These charges have come from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B'tselem, and human rights groups and experts, including UN rapporteurs.[71] Critics argue the Biden administration has given tacit approval to Israeli war crimes.[72] Antony Blinken indicated the Biden administration has a "high tolerance" for whatever happens in Gaza.[73] On 27 October, the White House stated it had no red lines for Israeli actions.[74]

And those are just in this conflict.

Let alone in prior conflicts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

Here is a rundown in the Guardian of the likelihood that Hamas breached international law with their appalling atrocity on over a thousand civilians and the breaches that Israel's siege and indiscriminate bombing of (likely but not confirmed) many thousands of Palestinian civilians are likely to have caused.

@PictureFrameWindow that article was interesting. So up until now they are fairly impotent?

Hamas caused this situation and showed a total disregard for the people living in Gaza .
They knew exactly what the response would be and yet they did it anyway

I've just left a vigil for Palestine. They were calling out the names of all the dead. They were still only on the 4 year olds when I left an hour and a quarter in.

Every one was someone's baby. Thousands of names. Terribly sad.

More blaming hamas rather than looking more closely at the Israeli response which has resulted in the attempted genocide of people already oppressed and dispossessed.

No one is denying what hamas did was barbaric but the over the top response can't be justified anymore by 'but hamas'. The world is looking closely at Israel now and its not looking positive. People, especially the younger generation, who don't follow the mainstream media propaganda machine, are looking at Israel in a much more critical light.

As well it should.

No one here except a select few are falling for the 'but hamas' anymore. No one is convinced anymore. The pictures coming out of Gaza of the utter devastation caused by Israel and the unrepentant voices are really bad news for Israel now. They have totally lost any credibility they ever had. Hamas are terrorists and have no excuse, but a government who allow the murder of 13000 people as well as the horror stories coming out the west bank aren't fit for purpose. Stories they could have kept quiet and would prefer to keep quiet are now going mainstream and its making people want to find out more.

The injustices are out in the open and they won't be as easily hidden as before.

The world has woken up.

Like i said, people have woken up about this.

Why did hamas carry out such a devastating attack?

Why are so many people crowded into Gaza?

Why was Israel so brutal towards the Palestinians, especially in the west bank?

Why does the Israeli army imprison teenagers and children for throwing stones?

The injustice is astounding and the world is watching in anger and disbelief.

Why did hamas carry out such a devastating attack?

Let me guess, is it because they are a murderous terrorist organisation who adhere to a nihilistic version of Islam, want to commit genocide against Jews and
liked the idea of attacking civilians, including babies, with sadistic violence? Oh no, sorry - it
must be Israel’s fault

thank you, @ssd, exactly this.

@Sussurations indeed....