“Pause” ends tomorrow. Anyone else filled with dread ?

[Desertrose2023]

Just that really. I’ve felt such relief the past couple of days that my phone won’t be filled with a constant stream of murdered Palestinian kids and wailing parents. That all ends tomorrow and I have such a sense of foreboding even though I’m safe and comfortable thousands of miles away. I can’t begin to imagine the dread the Palestinians in Gaza must be feeling tonight knowing their genocide resumes tomorrow. When will it end 😞

In my opinon:

Israel is defending its territory and making Israel and the world a safer place.
If the Western powers call it a genocide then I will bow to that opinion - but until this happens, your opinion that it a genocide is just that - an opinion.

You are the type of poster whom ,if they disagree with something, says a post does not make sense. This is a forum for debate - not personal attack.

@Jupitersstorm Israel is absolutely not making the world a safer place.

I assume we're all on the same page that the heavy fire of apache helicopters from Israel caused vast amount of damage and loss of human life as people fled? Hamas did not arrive with weapons that could leave a highways worth trail of shear devastation. And that we are now seeing evidence that the attack was expected and not prevented?

As for defending their citizens what are they doing to safely get their hostages back? Drowning them with seawater?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/06/israel-knew-hamas-attack-oct-7/

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-investigates-possible-trading-knowledge-ahead-oct-7-hamas-attack-2023-12-04/

https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/13111

Fair play. I could never look my children in the eyes and tell them that I clapped on and fully supported a genocide despite many human rights organisations calling it that because no Western government had told me that killing 20,000 people in 2 months, injuring almost 50,000, starving 2.2million people of food and water and destroying all medical help available to them is wrong.

I do find it a strange argument to write off the authority of current human rights organisations, because they weren't around to help / didn't exist in WW2. They were developed as a consequence of WW2 to ensure that these things didn't happen again to anyone. It is obviously horrific that they were not operational at that time, but surely developing them after had a purpose. I am only hopeful that purpose is recognised and respected, but sadly it seems they are not respected by so many. Hence the purpose they were developed for is being ignored.

Right, the idea of western governments being the moral leadership and upholders of justice 😬

I cannot understand how critical thinking goes out the window because of blind allegiances to governments... They don't care, they want your money, your labour and your obedience.

Safer for who? Not Palestinians. They're living in absolute terror at the moment.

Also, I didn't personally attack anyone.

Of course it is not safe for the Palestinians at the moment. Nor the Israelis.
It is why I hope Hamas will give up the hostages and make a vow and peace treaty not to attack Israeli civilians.
And telling a poster their post makes no sense simply because you believe that Israel is committing a genocide is personally attacking the poster for not sharing you opinion as this has not been factually determined yet.

Two posts have been deleted in response to my posts in the last few minutes.
This is very telling.

Why did you report my post out of interest? What was it about me saying that I find the attitudes of never again to just us and the smearing of organisations and countries that are speaking out chilling that triggered you? For example an Israeli ambassador decided to lie and say that Ireland had funded Hamas tunnels because we spoke out, as an Irish person I do find it chilling that Israel would make up stories to try and smear my countries name because we dared to question their actions. I can't see why my feelings on that would be deleted tbh.

It's not right to say what's happening at the moment to people in Gaza is the same level of danger as what people in Israel are experiencing. Gaza is being razed to the ground and there is nowhere safe for people to shelter.

My posts weren't deleted because I didn't personally attack you, regardless of how many times you claim I did.

I don't believe that telling a poster their post makes no sense is a personal attack. Bit of a stretch there.

It is certain indeed that the Palestinians are suffering. I do hope that Hamas releases the hostages and asks for a peace treaty to save the hapless civilians that are being put in harm's way by their government.

It is not a genocide though. Just my opinion.

I found it rude and offensive.

Keir Starmer has just been met by protesters in Glasgow Central Station, apparently he's in Glasgow for a party conference. In case you're all wondering, no, he didn't answer when asked why he is supporting genocide.

I've just watched this and to be honest, the chap does not give Keir a chance and approached him without a polite greeting . This is not the correct way to engage a high ranking politician in meaningful dialogue. I am not surprised he is ushered away to be honest. No manners and decorum.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23976031.scot-challenges-keir-starmer-gaza-stance-train/

Reports of IDF soldiers raping a 13-year old Palestinian boy in prison. I wonder if this is why Israel hold children under administrative detention (no charge) so that the children can't share their story

@Struggggggling reports from where?

@Stomacharmeleon A former US state department official on CNN

Hamas are terrorists, yes, but this has gone beyond self defence. Civilians shouldn't be suffering for Hamas' actions.

I really don't get where you're getting the idea most of the UK public supports the Israeli government, it really doesn't seem that way.

Glad that message was deleted. Incitement to use nuclear weapons against Palestinians? Wow.

It’s not the first time this poster says something like this as well

Bloody hell I missed that part, that's extreme. I think even the majority, at least, in the Israeli government would not be willing to use nuclear weapons. Posting froth and hatred doesn't get anyone on side.