I'm shocked is this real? Very triggering!!

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Can someone please substantiate if this picture is real or is it propaganda?

I have seen some disturbing images recently, but this one is beyond shocking to me. Surely this sort of thing is not happening in 2023?

Do not click if you are sensitive.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0AWCbrPGXe/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Apparently the writing is a happy birthday wish to a child.

I cannot obviously read it to know if that's what is truly written.

No side has "Clean Hands" Toothyfruity.

"Martyrdom is glorified"... um, you do know that the innocents who died in Gaza are seen as martyrs? Martyrdom isn't a terrorist ideology, it's part of Islam. Terrorists have twisted it to suit their own means.
I don't think there is a translation on the video I saw, but it is a father in Gaza consoling his daughter as they find out her mother and sibling have been killed - he consoles her and tells her "they are martyrs now". Basically, they died believers, so will go to 'Heaven'.

No one said that?

Agree. Asking for clarification shouldn't result in being gaslit and personally attacked.

A martyr is anyone who is killed in a catastrophe like an earthquake or from cancer or an epidemic ( or in a rubble while being bombed )
A martyr according to islamic beliefs will go to heaven . This is what they are saying to console people i.e " he is a martyr no he will be in a better place"
They twist the meaning to be for people who do "jihad" and again jihad is twisted to only be about terrorists which is not it can also be internal is literal translation is struggle

Did you know that in the indoctrinated version of Hamas led Islam, martyrdom means your family being paid a certain amount of money to carry out terror attacks? you’re talking in the general sense of the word but unless you’re an expert on terrorism and specifically Hamas I would caution that you are trying to explain away exactly what is wrong with Hamas.

On the flip side, Jewish extremists who sit behind netanyahu have taken Jewish religious teaching to encourage the building of settlements and expansionism. Another indoctrinated version of Judaism of which the majority do not believe, and also driving much of Netanyahu’s expansionist (and illegal) policy.

Hamas has operated a separate fund for years predating before its takeover of the Gaza Stripin 2007.[27] In 2001, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the founder of Hamas, boasted that Hamas payments to the families of prisoners and of suicide bombers totaled between $2 and $3 million. According to a 2001 report by the Israeli government, the families of prisoners received an initial lump sum payment of between $500 and $5,000, with monthly stipends of about $100, with higher payments for the families of Hamas members.[28]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund

Why would you "caution" posters against explaining the true meaning of the word?! As I said, the version of martyrdom terrorists use is twisted. It sounds worryingly like you think people shouldn't discuss what is a normal part of Islam in the sense it was intended.
No-one is trying to "explain away" Hamas, that is blatantly obvious.

@Mdg247 You do realise no-one here supports Hamas, right? Feel free to post articles on how awful their actions are, you will find only agreement.

Nope, certain people do not want to comprehend these points about Hamas, and only want to accept the concept of extremism from one side of the fence. If Hamas are the ruling authority in Gaza then they should also be held to the same account as the Israeli government in regards to indoctrination and extremism, which this whole post was about.

@Mdg247 yes 'pay to slay' the biggest money spinner in that area....

Do you think that if a person has lost his entire family over the years by israel and who is constantly treated abhorrently by settlers is more or less likely to join hamas ?
There are seven kinds of martyrs besides
Netanyahu does not want a two state solution he loves hamas they serve his purpose . He is a fascist that allows settlers cause so much pain to palestinians daily lives

And you can say hamas too yes i agree but hamas is a considered a terrorist organisation by my government israel is not . This is what makes me angry and disgusted the hypocrisy and the unconditional support for such vile behaviour killed in wars, defending the cause of Allah: A person who is killed in an epidemic A person who is drowned A person who has bedsores, causing fever and cough resulting in his death A person who dies of a stomach disease A person who dies in fire A person who dies under

@immigrant002 he 'loves' Hamas.... ok....

And I am afraid I don't understand your last paragraph at all. Perhaps I am misreading it?

I think this is probably the psychological defence that is needed when your job is killing people. If you couldn't detach, how could you kill?

You either dehumanise your enemy so that you can do what you like to them and it doesn't matter as they aren't really human, such as calling them ''dogs' 'vermin' ' cockroaches'. I mean, for face to face killing or torture you need to do this, hence the Hamas terrorists calling the people they tortured, raped and murdered ' Dogs'.

Or you detach in this more black humour sort of way.

The video Robert Crampton describes doesn’t talk about Palestine or Palestinians at all- or indeed Israel.
The murderous men attacking, torturing and mutilating civilians are doing it in the name of Allah. They talk about God and dogs.

Of course that doesn’t represent Islam- just this faction.

Clearly, yes. You're trying to paint posters as not understanding and supporting Hamas, when no-one does.
I have always said, and continue to say, that the extremism and acts of terror in this conflict are committed by both Hamas and the Israeli government.

I think this true. But I imagine taking this attitude back into society during peace time has consequences. Is there an increase in DV, child abuse, mental illness, violent crime, tension between ethnic groups etc. related to the need to detach and dehumanise the other?

I’d like to clarify by explaining to you that there are no settlements in Gaza. They were erased in 2005.

Illegal settlements are surrounding the West Bank, which is governed by Fatah, not Hamas (Fatah leaders in Gaza were executed when Hamas came into power). So no, despite the illegal settlements, those who are affected by them are not living in Gaza, they live in the West Bank therefore your question doesn’t make much sense. Palestinian governance in the West Bank and Gaza are not unified at all and have different interests and objectives

This is why it is so important people are educated properly on what is actually happening alongside the full extent of the issue. There is this presumption that all Palestinians are unified and on the same side of the argument with each other, which is certainly not the case at all.

You say no one does, but you don’t speak for everyone. Dismissing the indoctrination that happens on the other side of things certainly does suggest that the poster or responder does not want to acknowledge the crux of the issue at hand and therefore doesn’t consider Hamas too much of an issue ‘in the grand scheme of things.’

If people seriously want to achieve peace in the region, what-abouting and avoiding truth on BOTH sides is not helpful and is in fact very very damaging. I have spoken with many from Gaza who have been persecuted under Hamas, and equally persecuted by Israel for being residents of Gaza. ‘But Israel are so much worse’ doesn’t stand when outside of war, day to day life is made absolutely terrible based on the leadership. There are so many god-awful things that happen which are never publicly addressed as Gazans are typically silenced into submission.

Peace isn’t just down to Israel, and Netanyahu will most likely be gone very shortly based on Israeli sentiment towards him. Hamas either have to go, or reform (the latter of which I doubt) as well as the current Israeli government and their policies: you cannot have one without the other.

So yeah, I would argue that dismissing what Hamas are doing, or diminishing their influence is pretty dangerous if you actually want to affect any change.

In March 2019, Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

Re my last paragraph ... i do not hold hamas to the same standard as israel . So when people say but hamas to my arguments about how bat shit crazy israels government is i find it irrelevant

Detach from killing thousands of children in just over a month you mean.
The way you say it makes people writing on and firing the rockets sound so benign. But they are not benign.

@immigrant002 that's a political statement though not 'loving' something. Makes it sound twee.

And it's up to you why you find things irrelevant. I Don't know why we all wouldn't be held to the same standards if we are asking for the same things.

You say that like people don't go on about Jewish terrorists on here all the time.