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I'm shocked is this real? Very triggering!!

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DysonSphere · 24/11/2023 10:58

Can someone please substantiate if this picture is real or is it propaganda?

I have seen some disturbing images recently, but this one is beyond shocking to me. Surely this sort of thing is not happening in 2023?

Do not click if you are sensitive.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0AWCbrPGXe/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Apparently the writing is a happy birthday wish to a child.

I cannot obviously read it to know if that's what is truly written.

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Parkingt111 · 24/11/2023 15:58

Oh the hypocrisy on this thread is just something else
It's been eye opening for sure

Kids wearing a hamas headband = radicalisation
Kids writing messages on bombs that has a high chance on landing on other Kids = nothing to see here

Parkingt111 · 24/11/2023 15:59

@Chaitales Amen to that 🙏

vesage3349 · 24/11/2023 16:01

Chaitales · 24/11/2023 15:42

By that definition, I'll ask again - if someone posts about rape /murder/antisemitism /islamophobia/homophobia and someone replies "it's what humans do and have done throughout history" - what does that response imply?

As a follow on - before we can talk about freedom for Palestinians or ceasefire, why has everyone on tv, interviews, mumsnet, and everything else been first asked " do you condemn Hamas" before any conversation can be had?

Is that not the same thing?

Please note, I am not condoning any of those things or say we should not condemn. I'm genuinely interested in a conversation about why acceptability of responses differ based on who is doing the atrocity.

It implies that those are things that have been done throughout history.

I know you like to think anyone who isn't constantly weeping and gnashing teeth over every single thing the Israelis do is gleefuly condoning evil though, so carry on. If it makes you feel rightous.

bness · 24/11/2023 16:01

Parkingt111 · 24/11/2023 15:58

Oh the hypocrisy on this thread is just something else
It's been eye opening for sure

Kids wearing a hamas headband = radicalisation
Kids writing messages on bombs that has a high chance on landing on other Kids = nothing to see here

Not even a hamas headband (i havent ever seen that tbf) - even just wearing a Palestine badge was described on other threads as radicalising children who dont even know the complex politics of the region.

Chaitales · 24/11/2023 16:03

vesage3349 · 24/11/2023 16:01

It implies that those are things that have been done throughout history.

I know you like to think anyone who isn't constantly weeping and gnashing teeth over every single thing the Israelis do is gleefuly condoning evil though, so carry on. If it makes you feel rightous.

Your response makes no sense, and isn't answering my question. I'm trying to have a respectful discussion over why condemnation of one is prioritised over the other. no need to be rude please.

Queucumber · 24/11/2023 16:05

This is not military throwing bombs, this is civilians glorifying killing another.

Yes. It is.

Queucumber · 24/11/2023 16:11

It’s why I loathe comparisons to the troubles in Northern Ireland. There was plenty of loathing but I don’t think that anyone wanted to wipe the other side out of existence.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/11/2023 16:21

BMW6 · 24/11/2023 15:51

I'm horrified by the use and effects of rockets - not at all by any writing on rockets.

Obviously I'm really heartless and unfeeling 🙄

This is not even just any writing.

It was written by the Military Correspondent of a popular television news channel, who has a following on social media.

So someone showing off to, and influencing, a large audience.

Popularising a wholesale massacre by bomb of an entire ‘othered’ population by using this bomb for a birthday greeting.

If this were in the U.K. he would be sacked.

I'm shocked is this real? Very triggering!!
I'm shocked is this real? Very triggering!!
I'm shocked is this real? Very triggering!!
Toothyfruity · 24/11/2023 16:24

Chaitales · 24/11/2023 15:57

I think more about the glee on the bombs - writing callous msgs, teaching children to write messages on machines designed to murder others. This is not military throwing bombs, this is civilians glorifying killing another.

Exactly. It's not a serial number written on a bomb ffs. It's names and messages from people who are clearly delighting in the murder and destruction the bombs are wreaking on a civilian population.

If that's not sick I don't know what is.

Queucumber · 24/11/2023 16:31

Channel 14 is like Fox News on crack.

elfcow · 24/11/2023 16:32

This has always been a thing. At one point there were kids writing messages on the rockets in past. When people say this didn't start on Oct 7th, it's really insulting to say it did.

pickledandpuzzled · 24/11/2023 16:40

It seems to me people who are understandably distressed are reading things into other people’s posts.

There will be many people who disagree with your post or sentiment without agreeing with Israel’s actions.

I think there was a special barbarousness to the Hamas raid. That doesn’t mean I think the Israeli reaction has been proportionate or that only one side has committed war crimes.

I can also be simultaneously horrified about what’s happening and find writing on a rocket fairly uninteresting. It’s a thing. Not a thing I’d do, a bit weird, but then so much of male macho posturing is.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/11/2023 16:40

Who among us here have not been shocked and sickened by the reports of rapes committed by Hamas on Oct 7?
Or, appalled by the jeering and cheering crowd spitting on the poor naked girl who was driven around among this mob in the pick up truck.

Who thinks it was not sick?

Yet to follow from some views here the response should just be a flat, ‘Quel surprise’:

‘Rape is normal in war.’

‘This is war.’

‘To back up why it is normal, here is an excellent historical overview of just what a normal part it has always played for thousands of years.’

This is a Haaretz article on rape as a weapon of war through the ages.
(This was written August 2023, is purely historical, and is neither related to this conflict nor an apology.)

www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2022-08-30/ty-article/rape-as-an-ancient-weapon-of-war/00000182-ee77-dae0-a7ff-ef7f5c8f0000

Ohlalalalala · 24/11/2023 16:46

Chaitales · 24/11/2023 15:57

I think more about the glee on the bombs - writing callous msgs, teaching children to write messages on machines designed to murder others. This is not military throwing bombs, this is civilians glorifying killing another.

Agreed.

Chaitales · 24/11/2023 16:49

ScrollingLeaves · 24/11/2023 16:40

Who among us here have not been shocked and sickened by the reports of rapes committed by Hamas on Oct 7?
Or, appalled by the jeering and cheering crowd spitting on the poor naked girl who was driven around among this mob in the pick up truck.

Who thinks it was not sick?

Yet to follow from some views here the response should just be a flat, ‘Quel surprise’:

‘Rape is normal in war.’

‘This is war.’

‘To back up why it is normal, here is an excellent historical overview of just what a normal part it has always played for thousands of years.’

This is a Haaretz article on rape as a weapon of war through the ages.
(This was written August 2023, is purely historical, and is neither related to this conflict nor an apology.)

www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2022-08-30/ty-article/rape-as-an-ancient-weapon-of-war/00000182-ee77-dae0-a7ff-ef7f5c8f0000

Agree.

Noone has replied to me asking why this response would be callous for one situation and not the other

Ohlalalalala · 24/11/2023 16:49

bness · 24/11/2023 16:01

Not even a hamas headband (i havent ever seen that tbf) - even just wearing a Palestine badge was described on other threads as radicalising children who dont even know the complex politics of the region.

Exactly.

Ohlalalalala · 24/11/2023 16:50

I would love reading the posts of the same pps here if the bombs and the children were Palestinians. Oh boyyyy the condemnation and outrage!

Again, double standard and selective outrage. Fffff

AboutYouTalk · 24/11/2023 16:54

Parkingt111 · 24/11/2023 15:58

Oh the hypocrisy on this thread is just something else
It's been eye opening for sure

Kids wearing a hamas headband = radicalisation
Kids writing messages on bombs that has a high chance on landing on other Kids = nothing to see here

👏🏽This.

Cleverestclog · 24/11/2023 16:54

Chaitales · 24/11/2023 16:49

Agree.

Noone has replied to me asking why this response would be callous for one situation and not the other

What do you mean by "callous for one situation and not the other"?
Genuine question.

Chaitales · 24/11/2023 16:57

Cleverestclog · 24/11/2023 16:54

What do you mean by "callous for one situation and not the other"?
Genuine question.

@Cleverestclog again really don't know if you're being obtuse or are genuinely asking, as I have explained the question above so many times and so has @Ohlalalalala . If you genuinely want to know, please reread the posts.

KatBurglar · 24/11/2023 16:58

I think writing on bombs isn't that big a deal, it's using bombs that is the problem.
Once group has decided to blow up another group, the graffiti on the weapon isn't my primary concern. It's the death and destruction.

Man's inhumanity to women and children man...

Hereforthebunfights · 24/11/2023 17:02

War breaks people, on both sides.

Cleverestclog · 24/11/2023 17:03

Yes I am being genuine and no I am not being obtuse. Fact is, I find your logic and train of thought hard to follow. If you can't sum up your argument in a sentence then I'm out.
You've asked people to engage with you; when they ask for clarification you aren't willing to provide it.

Ohlalalalala · 24/11/2023 17:15

Cleverestclog · 24/11/2023 17:03

Yes I am being genuine and no I am not being obtuse. Fact is, I find your logic and train of thought hard to follow. If you can't sum up your argument in a sentence then I'm out.
You've asked people to engage with you; when they ask for clarification you aren't willing to provide it.

@Chaitales meant that the pps who are saying that this is "normal" for people and children to write on bombs (it's neither normal nor right btw, even if not new) and that it's nothing to write home about and not shocking, would act very differently if the bombs and the children were Palestinians instead.
Correct me @Chaitales if I'm wrong.

vesage3349 · 24/11/2023 17:24

Ohlalalalala · 24/11/2023 17:15

@Chaitales meant that the pps who are saying that this is "normal" for people and children to write on bombs (it's neither normal nor right btw, even if not new) and that it's nothing to write home about and not shocking, would act very differently if the bombs and the children were Palestinians instead.
Correct me @Chaitales if I'm wrong.

We would? I wouldn't. As has been repeatedly been said normal doesn't mean good. Maybe Hamas do write on their rockets?