Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians

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It’s just heartbreaking. I’ve seen videos on twitter that are beyond anything I can even begin to describe. Palestinians are being murdered in their thousands and the western media is largely pretending it’s not happening.

The average age of the people who have been killed in Gaza is FIVE years old.

The UK media are not showing how the Israeli government is openly talking about, and cheerleading genocide now. Israeli government speaks about Palestinians as if they are not humans. They are saying women are targets as they can have babies. I’ve just read how, since October 7th they have taken over 5,000 Palestinians from the West Bank and tortured them. They were already routinely arresting Palestinians and taking them away from their family with no reason and no but this is not being adequately reported.

Please, please visit sites such as 972 magazine and declassified uk. The BBC, etc, unfortunately aren’t reporting the extent to what is going on.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-and-its-allies-are-repurposing-the-goals-and-lies-of-1948-in-gaza-in-2023/

Have you seen the interview with the son of the man that started Hamas?

He says they are savages that must be rooted out. Well worth a watch.

This is a genocide. I want my children to know that I cared. That I felt for those innocent people. That my heart ached for those children.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

Watching the images of the innocent Palestinian children dying makes me ill as well as you, OP. But I caution your use of genocide. Possibly IDF will be guilty of war crimes (time will tell) but what would you think if I said, "The UK committed genocide against the German people in WW2?" Or, "The US committed genocide against the Japanese in WWW2?" 55million civilians died in WWII, some when the US retaliated against Japan for Pearl Harbor and some when Churchill bombed city after city in Germany and Italy for the bombings of London. There have been true genocides in the world, like the Jews during the Holocaust (7 million) and the Armenians (1.5 million), Romani (1.5 million) and Tutsis in Rwanda (800,000) and Cambodians (3 million)...I'm not sure if we can classify it thus here. Maybe, if it turns out the IDF was wrong about the Hamas tunnels. I hate all wars, but defensive bombardment with warning to the populace is different than secret aggression with the sole purpose of killing and kidnapping civilians during a ceasefire. It doesn't mean the Palestinians who've died don't mean the same, but it's a different kind of death than genocide.

https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2017/04/03/the-un-and-israel-a-history-of-discrimination/

Indeed. And holding Israel to a different standard than other countries - such as Britain during WWII - is a form of anti-semitism. It's just so normalised that people cannot see it for what it is.

Your link isn't working, at least for me. Is it this one?

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Stop derailing this thread. Any country that commits acts of genocide should be held accountable. We should learn from our past mistakes.

Was is the intention of those derailing threads? Why can't you just feel horrified by the death of innocent children and the torture of them in prison. Very very sad.

There was a ceasefire up to Oct 6, then Hamas broke it by killing, raping, decapitating, kidnapping etc over 1k people. Then Israel responded.

Simple solution for all who want this response to stop: ask Hamas to free all hostages immediately, abandon their weapons, stop using schools and hospitals as bases and surrender to IDF forces to face justice. Hamas has the power to end this immediately, so all the useful idio protesters in the west should ask for it right now.

@CharingX976 US State Department confirmed the reported numbers were in fact likely less than the true estimate. Just in the past few days. It is just a propaganda stunt to emphasise “Hamas led” as if that means the numbers are fake. I see it works, a lot of people parrot this line despite neutral agencies saying from the outset that they believed they were legitimate.

Barbara Leaf, the Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Affairs, was asked at the House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing about scepticism over the numbers released by the Gaza Health Ministry.
"We think they’re very high, frankly, and it could be that they’re even higher than are being cited," she replied. She added that in times of war, it is difficult to get an accurate assessment, according to a Wall Street Journal report.
"We’ll know only after the guns fall silent," she said, noting that scepticism over the accuracy of the statistics released by health authorities in the Palestinian enclave may undercut the scale of the human catastrophe.

It's the fact that, when it involves Jews, the world holds them to different standards. As a PP explained above, Churchill bombed cities in Germany and Italy in relation to their raids on British cities. It is terribly, terribly tragic that innocent Germans, including children, died during the war as a result of their government's aggression. But the main focus in the media at the time was not the deaths of innocent German civilians. It was on taking down the evil, murderous, German regime.

And yet, when it involves a Jewish state defending itself in response to what actually WAS a genocide on the part of Hamas, and when they use tactics and warning methods that limit the loss of civilian life unlike any other county, they are held to completely different standards.

Why?

Because they're Jews. And "Jews don't count".

Israel is not committing acts of "genocide". This is a patent lie.

There was no ceasefire before 6-10. Israel arrested Palestinians without giving them the right to defend themselves or going through a fair court
people were tortured
idf was harassing Palestinians in their land with the help of the settlers
idf was raping Palestinian women
idf was killing Palestinians.

feom time to time there would be an attack in Israel by Hamas and Israel would attack back.
these is not a ceasefire to me. This is Israel can do whatever they want and nobody will take them responsible of their actions

Page 1, no reply, page 3, no reply.

Let's try again on page 7 for an answer to a simple question. There should be an answer to this. If the pro-Palestine position is NOT a fundamentalist position rooted in ideology then there should be quite a few Palestinian journalists out there doing this work.

*Lots of responses to lots of questions, but not a single reply to the post on page 1, so reposting now:

Can anyone point me in the direction of some Palestinian journalists calling on Hamas to release the hostages and deploring their government, or is the "seeing both sides" a one way street*

I invite everyone who stands with Israel to keep pushing this question because the lack of an answer to it is proof that one side of this is a side of blind extremism that should have no place in our hearts.

If the poster hadn't referred to it as genocide, I'm willing to bet there wouldn't be any talk about the Israeli victims. It's the inflammatory language used that is getting people's backs up. At least that's the case in my opinion. Without the use of the word genocide, if it was just a thread about honouring the numerous Palestinian victims of this war, I would only be posting my condolences on here and nothing else.

Israel has always had a power to shape the narrative, you can't even find a single article online where the palestinians who died are said to have been killed by Israel in the headlines, it's always just "X number of palestinians died". But mysteriously but they always know damn well who killed israelis.
Israel also employs a large number of fake accounts as part of its propaganda war known as Hasbara, they're quite literally bots just pretending to be people from inside other countries who express support for Israel all around the world.

I'm almost convinced that at least 60% of these MNetters are bots though. It's not possible for one to be so inhumane/callous.

I can't stand it when they conflate feeling bad for HUMANS with antisemitism. Israel is a rogue, criminal, genocidal apartheid state.

You cannot accuse every NGO as being anti-Semitic. I think the Israeli authorities are very narcissistic. Just blaming every single organisation for being anti-Semitic.

The UN, WHO, MSF, ect ect have all voiced serious concerns about genocidal acts.

They are. They all appear at the same time.

Are you aware that 50 journalist have been killed in Gaza in the last month ? And many more have had their families killed? Don’t you think they’ve got enough to do for also trying to give an answer to you as to why they’re not asking for the release of the hostages, they might even have relatives taken by Israel … I’m unsure if any has done it to be honest but I’m pretty sure that they’re more worried about being killed than anything else

Is it possible to get @MNHQ to create a safe space for Muslim MNetters? I think that might allow for threads expressing sympathy and condolences for the Palestinians without having it detailed and worse having the deaths of innocents justified.

There are also Palestinian journalists in the West Bank. They could speak up if they wanted to.

@hotblacktea

Hi there, “useful idiot” here. You seem very intelligent ☺️

Just to explain to you that the Ceasefire call isn’t like we phone up Netanyahu and ask him to stop obliterating innocent civilians. It’s actually a different type of call! It’s where we let our government know we do not want them to send arms and aid and abet a massacre of innocents. And we can do that because this is a democracy where the government is supposed to represent the will of the people, isn’t that novel!

Now if you can get me an email for Hamas I’ll definitely send them a message and ask them to hand themselves in and return the hostages, such a clever idea of yours! It’s just been tricky so far since obviously none of the hundreds of thousands of people marching for peace has been able to get a hold of them, since there is literally zero connection to that militant group!! Doh! Silly us.

By the way if you get a chance you should try to read Haaretz/ other Israeli media where they explain that there has been a hostage deal offered since a few days after Oct7 but it was refused by Israeli govt much to the anger of the families concerned.

Oh and well done on finding a euphemism for dropping 18,000 tons of bombs; the killing of 12,000 human beings (5,000 of them children) and displacing 1.7million people… “response”. Very good. Almost, like, heartless isn’t it? Well done. Yes I think I’d like that “response” to stop now please.

Annoying that there needs to be a Muslim section to discuss this as I am not religious but stand with Palestinians.

I think it is needed though. These thread Get derailed.