Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡

[Ohlalalalala]

Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza tops 10,000 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/number-of-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza-tops-10000

4,104 children 😡😡😡

I presume you're aware that Al Jazeera is the mouthpiece of Qatar, and their source is the "Palestinian Health Ministry", which is Hamas.

And the number of murdered and displaced in the West Bank is rising daily too. A genocide before our very eyes, Israel will not stop until Palestine is eradicated from Palestinians.

It's beyond belief that those in power stand back and let it happen. Shame on every world leader who stays silent. Those who support the IDF also have blood on their hands. Complicit in the war crimes, in my mind.

Assuming it were only 50% ... only 5000 human lives extinguished ... would it be okay then?

What is the Israel-sanctioned number of men, women, boys and girls whose hopes and dreams will never come true because they died from bombs being rained down on them?

What is the acceptable number?

... and if there is none: why the relentless onslaught of "but Hamas ..." on all the figures published?

For the record: various independent organisations have repeatedly stated that, generally speaking, casualty and mortality figures out of the Gaza Health Ministry are, generally speaking, reliable! Every reputable news organisation has checked this by now!

Can’t be hurting Hamas’ conscience too much or they’d give the hostages back.

With the Israeli government/IDF and Hamas both being proven, prolific liars time and time again, I wouldn't bank on it. I don't think either is acting with a great deal of sanity, either.

Agreed.

The claim is Hamas propaganda.
The war will continue until either Hamas is wiped out and its infrastructure destroyed, or Hamas release all hostages, return the bodies of those they have already killed and lay down their arms. The second situation is very unlikely, so the fighting will continue.
Any non-combatants who remain in the north and are caught up in the fighting despite being told to move south have made their own decision to risk their lives.
Israel will not stop fighting just because the unanimous voices of the world's anti-Semites tell them to.

@WatTyler why is the south being bombed too? No where is safe, imagine you being trapped in a city with no running water or electricity I highly doubt you’d be jumping up and down asking for the bombs to keep coming or would you be considered anti- Semitic too for wanting the bombing to stop

Hamas is wiped out and its infrastructure destroyed

This is what has started to worry me. If Destroy Hamas means destroy a terrorist organisation. If Destroy it's infrastructure means destroy the tunnels and gen points. Then that's all fine.

BUT is Hamas a distinct organisation with set members? Or has it got very fuzzy edges. I suspect the Israeli government means Hamas the organisation, those who voted for them in 2006, those who might have voted for them because they were alive them, all those who support them now, or might or might in the future... That is why marches in London are described as support of Hamas. I suspect Hamas is being used to equal Palastinian.

Hamas, being the Government of Gaza, owns all the infrastructure - including schools, hospitals and everything else the country needs to function. Destroy Hamas infrastructure I suspect is being used to mean destroy the country and everything in it.

Basically - the Israeli government wants to wipe out Gaza and all its people. That is what they mean by wiping out Hamas and destroying its infrastructure.

I think that's the whole point - Hamas want their 6000 hostages back, held on administrative detention indefinitely with no rights.

If somebody posted this about the October 7th attack they would be accused of being a holocaust denier. I saw a post doing exactly that last night, why is it fine to deny the horrors of what Israel are doing?

Nice bit of victim blaming there. Did you not see the people on the news who are "refusing" to leave? They are mostly elderly, infirm, disabled, bedridden. They don't know where they will be going. It's a tragic case of better the devil you know.

And Israel will never claim that they have wiped out Hamas, as they will then be under international pressure to stop the ongoing eradication of the Palestinians. Mind you international pressure hasn't bothered them in the past...

we are talking about actual loss of life, please dont try and discredit a mourning mother. The list has been independently sampled and samples have been verified of known deaths vs. Whats on the list and has matched up time and time again. Relatives abroad have confirmed their murdered brothers and sisters are recorded corrently on the list. 10k people have been murdered by israel in 4 weeks. What people forget is hamas may be terrorists but they are also a governing party so have similar departments like any other ruling authority. Not using the word government as gaza remains occupied and israel assert control over most affairs, like Israel has decided not to transfer tax monies for public spending to palestinians as collective punishment for the 7th Oct attacks.

Any non-combatants who remain in the north and are caught up in the fighting despite being told to move south have made their own decision to risk their lives.
I have no words.
Israel will not stop fighting just because the unanimous voices of the world's anti-Semites tell them to.
The unanimous voice of the compassionate, the empathic, the outraged, the ones who will not be silenced for fear of being antisemitic and those who believe that every live matters.

True.

Have you seen the state of Gaza? I'm surprised it's not more. In fact it probably is due to people who will be trapped under the rubble and nobody will ever even know they're gone.

There's at least a thousand kids trapped under there apparently. As horrible as this is to say, I hope they are all dead, because I can't imagine what a long and lonely drawn out death it would be for little ones otherwise 😢

Horrible. Poor little kids dying alone like that.

I hope all you apologists out there are happy now. "No, it's not enough", you say, "keep going". I'm sure the bloodthirsty will oblige.

Gazavis such a tiny densely populated area, the death count would be in the hundreds of thousands if that is what the Israelis wanted

Terrorist groups often have very fuzzy lines and they all blur the line between themselves and civilians for terrorist reasons. The fuzziness plays into terrorist propaganda as well - shoot one dead and they'll often whisk away the weapons so they appear to media as having been civilians instead.

As for Hamas using civilian infrastructure, they're well known for doing so. In the 2008 conflict between Hamas and Fatah in Gaza, Hamas used Al-Shifa hospital as a base which Fatah attacked and Hamas fired out from within. Hamas never stopped using civilian infrastructure in this way, including to store weapons and to launch rockets from.

Law Of Armed Conflict is clear that civilian hospitals lose protection if used for military attacks on an enemy. Its clear too that areas cannot be granted immunity from attack simply by the presence of protected persons aka civilians.

So, you can see how terrorist groups like Hamas always blur the line between themselves and civilians. This is perfidy and, if captured, Hamas aren't entitled to POW status either.

So, no, it doesn't mean axiomatically that a military power is trying to wipe out a people or territory by targeting civilian infrastructure. Terrorist groups embed themselves amongst civilians as its the only way they can survive a confrontation with Sovereign Military Power.

@curaçao but thankfully ONLY 10,000 have died - right? What’s 10,000 lives or one child to a mother.

I hope you never have to feel the pain of losing your children and entire family or perhaps this is what these deniers need in order to feel a little bit human again

I fully believe this is what they want, but they know full well that they would lose international support if they just dropped a nuclear bomb. They need to play the long game, so portraying Palestinians as animalistic terrorists that need to be controlled and eliminated one by one in the name of "security" will have to do for now.