Israel has bombed the front of a hospital

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Israel has bombed the gates of the Al Shalha hospital.

Everyone knows displaced families are sheltering in and near hospitals.

A small few are, most are not.

Because there is no safe place

You are either genuinely really, really misinformed or really, really disingenuous. I am going to assume the former and give you a "good faith" answer. This might get long-ish, depending on how well I do at capturing the gist in a succinct manner:

Israel have made it clear that people need to leave northern Gaza whilst they destroy the terrorist organisation.
First things first: Israel just DOES NOT GET TO demand any such thing (even though they do). This is called "forcible transfer" and is considered a war crime under the Geneva conventions. You just, as a general principle, do NOT get to expel the civilian population of an area in the course of fighting a war. Instead, it it your duty and obligation to protect them. This counts DOUBLE for Israel in the current situation, because Israel is also an occupying power and, as such, responsible for the safety and well-being of Gazans to begin with!

because I’d voted for an organisation
This is wrong on at least two counts:

1. the last elections in Gaza were, in fact, held in 2006. This means that the youngest Gazans to even have had a chance to vote in them would be in their mid-to-late 30s at this point. This argument just does not apply to any parent younger than that (and, as a general rule, statistically speaking Gaza has a lower age than that for when people first have children. As, for that matter, does every other country on whom data has been collected - pls refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listof_countries_by_mean_age_at_childbearing)
2. Generally speaking, you do NOT vote for parties based on "well, more than a decade into the future, their military wing might do X, and as I cast my vote, I am hereby accepting the ethnic cleansing of both myself and my future children". That is just NOT how any of this works!

I’d voted for an organisation which had killed and abducted people of another nation
By this standard, most Israeli voters should be perfectly okay with 7 October ... I am NOT, are you?

... FINALLY: there IS NO SAFE SPACE in the South!!! Places such as Rafah and Khan Younis have been bombed relentlessly!

If it’s not about the hostages why doesn’t Hamas just release them? It wouldn’t make up for the unfathomably vicious individual torture and murder of innocent Israelis on Oct 7 but everyone seems to have forgotten about that anyway.

Wow. This probably the most messed up post I've seen on this forum about Gaza so far and I've seen some fucked up takes.

You're blaming civilians for being bombed at A HOSPITAL. What's wrong with you?

but everyone seems to have forgotten about that anyway.

Probably because of the genocide the Israeli government/idf are commiting right now. That is kinda over shadowing most things.

They're probably safer where they are to be fair. Nowhere is safe above ground in Gaza.

Also Hamas probably don't feel like performing a goodwill gesture while Israel is bombing Gaza into oblivion. Especially given their offer of a hostage for ceasefire deal was rejected by Israel.

Because they are bargaining chips, that is why!

And, no, I am not going to excuse it. It is categorically wrong and morally as well as legally untenable!

But so is the "administrative detention" of Palestinians. "Administrative detention", for those not in the know, means "arresting and imprisoning people, never putting them in a court of law, but holding them on secret charges" - in other words: basically "hostage taking - but when you have a whole state and its associated machinery at your disposal, you can call it other things, or so ...". And, while I happen to be at it: yes, the supposedly "lawful" imprisonment of Palestinians supposedly "lawfully convicted" (but the court system is run by a state that oppresses them and crushes and resistance - violent and non-violent alike - with an iron fist) is also, to a very large extent, just "hostage taking, but we have a state aparatus to pretend this is okay"!

For the record: nothing, nothing, NOTHING can justify the attacks on Israeli civilians on 7 October.

But, also for the record: nothing, nothing, NOTHING can justify the systematic violence of the occupation either!

And if you keep on saying "but Hamas" ... pls note that you should be able to make the exact same argument, replacing "but the IDF and militant settlers" - and if you cannot, you have an issue!

For the record: I am not a Hamas supporter. Hamas sucks. As, for the record, does the so-called PA! If Fatah has any shred of decency left in it, it would just ... dissolve the PA and refuse to serve as the "coloniser sanctioned" police force, letting Israel bear the full brunt of what, as an occupying power, it really ought to - but it is somewhat telling that I think this is something I need to add this disclaimer in the first place!

Nothing will make up for the unnecessary murder of more than 10000 innocent Palestinian civilians.
The Israeli government is showing us all the depths to which humans can sink when they are filled with hate. We really are a vile species. Shame on all those who support them and on those who come on to threads like this to spew hate. Palestinians are not your enemy they are your brothers your sisters your uncles your aunts your mothers and fathers spinning on a planet the size of a speck of dust in this universe and all you can do is gloat and minimise their suffering. Shame on you.

They want an exchange
There are many palestinians held in Israeli jails including minors yes children being held without charge or trial
Yet I don't see anyone kicking a fuss about that

Israel have made it clear that people need to leave northern Gaza

Oh yeah, they told them all to move South which they did, and then Israel proceeded to bomb them in the South, fucking evil bastards....

The full on bombing of the Al Shifa hospital is happening now (live on Al Jazeera for those convinced it’s hamas hq), so heart breaking especially after watching the 5th year medical student Ezz Lulu say goodbye to everyone earlier today 💔

He’s someone’s son. He should have his whole life ahead of him saving people. I pray he gets out alive in one piece.

An exchange should be an equivalent thing shouldn't it?

How many babies and grandmothers do Israel currently have detained ?

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/minors_in_custody

Bingo. Everyone claiming hamas should be returning 200 people and this is inhuman. But nobody kicking a fuss about 6k Palestinians detained , many of them tortured, in Israel. Aren’t lives worth ? Isn’t that racist to only care for a type of person but not the other ?

Still can't see the babies and grandmothers.

The babies and grandmothers were offered to Israel in the first week or so of the bombing. They wouldn't take them back.

Why were such vulnerable innocent people taken in the first place? It's hideous.

Absolutely. It's shocking. Why does Israel detain and torture children? It's hard to comprehend.

Babies? Are babies detained ?

Can we please focus on the thread. I’m fed up of derailed threads where both sides end up arguing and even sometimes the thread is taking away my mnhq

this one is about hospitals. This thread I revived it because there has been an attack in one of the main hospitals and white phosphorus thrown.

I just looked at Al Jazeera there. And yes they're bombing the Al Shifa hospital area as we speak. It's absolutely horrendous. I can't believe my eyes at the depravity.

Oh stop. So detaining, torturing and murdering children is OK? You've lost it.

Anyone still trying to justify this is a psychopath.

yes, people's babies are detained. they may be young children, but they are still people's babies.