Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

Personally I do not see the need for Jews to have a homeland in Israel or anywhere."

Why not?

The niggling thought that a lot of so called Pro Palestine Liberation posters on Mumsnet are determinedly under educated at best, just keeps on getting confirmed.
But their assertions about the provenance of conflict vis a vis Israel and Palestinian Liberation is meant to be taken seriously by anybody and everybody?
I'll say it again. As with other movements have done, Palestinians have to seive out who they allow to publicly support their cause, because too many duncebats, members of other minorities who are jealous of Jews and have chosen to cleave to the only openly popular strata of White Supremacy available in order to feel good about themselves and frothers of all sorts too regularly show their anti Semitic hand and use the schism between Israel and Palestinian Liberation as a cover for it.

And what is wrong with Zionism?
Asians have Asia, the majority of non "politically Black" really Black people acknowledge Sub Saharan African provenance, White people the same with Europe, Arabs the Middle East and North Africa, but Jewish people, are not to claim their ancestral home as theirs? Especially as so many in too many countries do not want or barely tolerate Jewish presence in their nations, thus presently and historically rendering Jewish stability of habitat tenuous mostly anywhere that they are maybe aside from Israel, the Americas, the Western Mediterranean ( keep an eye on France) and the UK ( keep an eye on here, too).
Is it the true desire that Jewish people become so assimilated as to.not even self acknowledge their ethnicity and where they come from as a people? Not to be so "Jewish"?

Many tried that pre 1933 and that never stopped them from getting got or their got getting being ignored by the rest of the world until they were six million down .
Why ( I know why as a non anti Semite) does this small ethnicity deep down irritate so many people , many who do not even like each other's groups? Why do most other minorities get patronised with the racism of no or low expectations, but Jewish people are expected to be the perpetual cheek turners instead of flashing their collective arse cheeks for the haters to kiss?
That is a narrative that I see time and time again , most certainly amongst the Left Wing and Woke and the Compartmentalising Virtual Signallers.
Sorry to any Jewish people embarrassed by my post, but I am getting TYAD of the anti Semitism wrapped in faux concern , illiteracy, low research, lying right in front of your eyes, knowing that not too few of these people will say that Black Issues concern them , but come from groups who have yet to show as much solidarity with our causes as much as many Jewish people have, especially in the US, South Africa .....and I am old enough to remember the murder of Blair Peach over here, too.

The allyship was often paid in blood or with life or exile.

It wasn't the allyship of keyboard warriorism and protest in a time when Plod is one hundredth as "tasty" in the UK as it was then and with no camera phones , too.
But these threads bring out the low information disingenuous at far higher proportions than even the "Black " threads....so I don't expect those scapegraces to know anything of substance.
And to be clear. I am not talking about those who have empathy or show support for the Palestinian cause, even passionately and do not have anti Semitism at the forefront of their concern or allyship.
And telling a Jewish person what and what is not anti Semitic is probably anti Semitism 101.
If you find it hard, just imagine that my your Black friend ,( real or imagined) is in front of you telling you about some racist shit that they have experienced today and would you dare to fix your lips to say " but that's not racist!" without the expectation that you and the whole of your family tree, past, present, twinkle in the eye receive a proper verbal take down?
Because why would your Black friend conveniently be a simp?

And the women and children of Israel taken hostage are not Netanyahu, but that seems to be forgotten when making blatantly antisemitic placards.

What about non educated ones? Do you have respect for them?

You are fighting a losing battle, OP.

I don't understand why everybody and their cousin feels qualified to tell Jewish people just what they can be offended about and what they have the right to perceive as antisemitic. But they do.

This may seem pedantic but I think it matters. Palestine is not under the control of Hamas. The recognised “government” for Palestine is the Palestinian National Authority (controlled by Fatah). They control the bits of the West Bank not under direct Israeli occupation and represent the Palestinians at international level.

Fatah are only in control of Gaza and are not the government of Palestine.

So, would you also expect Arabs to go out onto the streets of London and march for the Jews currently held hostage by Hamas?

A ceasefire will ensure Hamas' survival in order to carry out the same atrocities, potentially far more deadly and sick than what they've carried out so far. I don't see Bibi Netanyahu agreeing to one.

You are quite right and it was my bad, a bit irate. Thank you.

A March here tells the Uk government that we don’t want them clapping on Israel in our name. It’s part of putting public pressure on the government to change their rhetoric on Israel basically.

I will say I think it is appalling that Israel have forgotten about the hostages in their rush to obliterate Gaza. Both the hostages and their families deserve better than that. I think everyone would like the hostages to be released safely back to their families but the chances of that happening while Israel is systematically flattening gaza are slim to none. Either Israel know where the hostages are so should go in and get them or they don't and are merrily risking their lives with every single bomb that that they drop. I think the calls from protesters to stop bombing the shit out of Gaza can only serve to help the hostages and their families.

A good summary of how widespread it is to compare to Nazism, as well as why it isn't a good idea to do so. www.bbc.com/news/world-39266863

Unfortunately, there is an anti-semitism problem in the British Muslim community. It's just not talked about.

" A 2016 survey of 5,446 adult Britons, part of a report titled Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain that was conducted by the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research, found that the prevalence of antisemitic views among Muslims was two to four times higher than the rest of the population, 55% of British Muslims held at least one antisemitic view"

I also wonder if people are under-estimating how anti-semites will take any opportunity to cloak their hate in even the thinnest veneers of respectability.

Do you mean Palestinians/people of Palestinian descent by saying 'Arabs'

If so, I think absolutely there should be outrage at the hostage taking by people who are Palestinian.

I also got quite annoyed at something I read, might have been on a thread where it was said that one elderly woman was released and shook her hostage takers hand and was all forgiveness... I was thinking the woman is in shock, was doing anything she could just to get out smoothly and was probably suffering stokholm sydrome.

Because what the Israelis are doing to Palestine is exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews No it isn’t- you truly need a history lesson. Do you think Hitler went after the Jews after they raped and beheaded thousand or so Germans?!

Hamas is not a country, nor a country that represents and entire religion. I don’t think the comparison is the same because Hamas are committing their crimes in their own name, not that of a country, or all Arabs, or all Muslims.

If Jews were being held hostage by a country that our government supports in the same numbers that are being killed in Palestine then yes, I would hope that Arabs and everyone else would march on the streets of all our cities.

I don't think anyone needs a homeland because of their religion rather where you are born is your homeland. So say you are ethnically Saudi and a practicing Muslim but born in England, you are English that is your homeland. We shouldn't be attached to a peace of land to the point we are killing each other. I could move abroad tomorrow and wouldn't see the need to call England home as it would no longer be home

@bellac11 personally I think it's because they are still holding her peace loving husband (who incidentally ran trips from Gaza to Israeli hospitals for better treatment)

WTF does this even mean? That Jews are responsible for anti-Semitism?

I've seen that suggestion more than once on this board. I also saw someone yesterday say that Israel would be responsible if we get Islamist terror attacks i the UK.

So say you are ethnically Saudi and a practicing Muslim but born in England, you are English that is your homeland.

Did you know that we expelled all the Jews from England from 1290 to 1656?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

"The edict was not an isolated incident, but the culmination of over 200 years of increasing antisemitism in England."

Jews have been expelled from a lot of countries over the centuries. Obviously the Nazis went further than expelling them.

@sleepyscientist is there anything maybe different in the history of Jewish people, going back many hundreds thousands of years, and culminating in events in the 1930s/1940s, that might possibly make them feel different to you, do you think?

It's quite exclusionary to declare a country home for only a certain religion or ethnicity?

I never thought that in my lifetime (spent in the UK) I would ever see some of these placards being paraded around legally.

Plus an awful lot of people seem to think it's important to state their opinion even when they admit that they know very little indeed about the subject.

Nothing would induce me now to go on one of these marches.