Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

FFS. I condone all and any acts of antisemitism and feel for the British Jewish population.

Any response to the the other things I said?
Suella Braverman did exactly what she intended - whipped up a hate storm which attracted the lowest quotient (with a long-term view of heavier sanctions against free speech). To say this is representative of the majority of marchers is disingenous.

I suppose when the killing of innocent babies in incubators and bombing of hospitals stops then the marches will stop. Not to mention starving the children who survive the bombing by stopping any food and water getting to them. The police actually supported the marches saying they were peaceful.

I agree with. It’s equally infuriating when every Muslim from around the world is automatically expected to condemn Hamas when it’s nothing to do with them

You condone all and any acts of antisemitism? At least you admit it I suppose.

Oh lord ...not a freudian slip, I always get that word musddled up with condemn.

The Guardian articles I was signposted to is interesting as it refers to pro-Israeli actors as behind the promotion of the antisemitic signs

It quotes one of the march organisers as saying this. There is zero evidence to support this and even if it was true, so what? It does not make the signs any less anti-semitic. Do you not think anti-semitism should always be called out when witnessed?

Ps: I edited my post as I slightly misunderstood the article on first reading.

Sorry I didn't realise I have to respond to everything single sentence individually, especially when you yourself have no comment about the swastika sign which you conveniently didn't see.

Anyway, Suella Braverman probably did want stir up shit. Now she's no longer home secretary and hopefully stays that way this time. Is that good enough for you?

You mean this bit?

Ben Jamal, director of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC), which coordinated Saturday’s march, accepted that some placards were antisemitic, but hailed the protest as “overwhelmingly peaceful” and blamed “pro-Israel actors” for deliberately seeking out examples of antisemitism.

No, he's saying that "pro-Israel actors" are seeking out those signs, not that they're promoting the ideas behind them. And as PP says it's not the Guardian themselves who are suggesting that.

You seem determined to blame the victims of anti-Semitism for anti-Semitism. It's everyones fault but the people actually doing it.

The incidence of criminal behaviour was staggeringly high actually.
It's just that the police were ordered to do light touch policing with the Palestinian marches and therefore the placards and chants which should have attracted arrests were tactically ignored.

Yes, agree with this @Jupitersstorm

A woman was photographed carrying a picture accusing braverman and Sunak of being coconuts.

I may be wrong, but I think this has actually been addressed now as not being racist? Apologies if I'm wrong. @GreekDogRescue

https://twitter.com/nelsabbey/status/1723472934457549310

and yes, Hitler probably would be proud of Netanyahu's actions

Sorry, but I find this contemptable I'm afraid and is just feeding the antisemites. I don't actually think you're intentionally trying to be antisemitic and come across as level headed. But the problem may be that you just don't understand what antisemitism is and how it manifests itself, not just explicit statements but through wilful antagonism and hostility towards Jews, as well as victim blaming. @Twillow

I've said that, sadly, I believe the current actions of Israel are directly responsible for the rise of antisemitism

No, that would be antisemites who are directly responsible for the rise of antisemitism. They were antisemites before the current situation (we saw many of them in the UK during the Corbyn years), however Netanyahu has opened a door for them to air their racism more brazenly.

I think that sentiment will turn against the marchers soon as I think local communities who live nearby or who just want to enjoy London on Saturday are going to get pretty sick of these people clogging up the streets and the tubes, waving anti Semitic placards, covering their faces, chucking flares and fireworks and chanting anti Semitic tropes which they know are anti Semitic but have been allowed to get away with it by a police force who argue semantics to avoid having to to do their duty (for fear of reprisals).

People's patience will get exhausted very soon.

So I think the last march will probably be on Saturday after which time Sunak would have outlawed" from the river to the sea" chants and placards and then the marchers will lose interest. Oh, and I hope the marchers please keep off the statues and bus shelters - why do they feel the need to get so high up?

No, that would be antisemites who are directly responsible for the rise of antisemitism. They were antisemites before the current situation (we saw many of them in the UK during the Corbyn years), however Netanyahu has opened a door for them to air their racism more brazenly.

Excellent point.
Brings us full circle under the current crisis though: what are we going to do about Netanyahu, no?

" what are we going to do about Netanyahu, no?"

You won't be able to do anything. He is a democratically elected leader - Israel is a western democracy.

The question should be:

"What are going to do about the rise of anti-Semitism? That's the crisis which faces us in THIS country.

What do you suggest "we" do?

I think the last march will probably be on Saturday after which time Sunak would have outlawed" from the river to the sea" chants ...

Even if they did this, it's one thing banning such chants and quite another preventing them - especially if the police are determined not to act

Hitler probably would be proud of Netanyahu's actions.

Fucking hell. No, the man who tried to kill all the Jews would not be proud of the Jewish leader of a Jewish country.

Precisely. In some circumstances we have little other option than to protest…

Excellent point.
Brings us full circle under the current crisis though: what are we going to do about Netanyahu, no?

Not sure what you mean about coming full circle. Why, as Brits, are "we" responsible for doing anything about Netanyahu. Israelis are responsible for that, and they will hopefully get him and his fellow right-wingers out through a democratic election, although I'm not confident that this will happen.

As a British Jew my primary concern at the moment is Jewish people feeling scared in this country (and in France as a dual national). It's really breaking my heart. Jewish people in Europe are scared in a way they never have been before. The "intergenerational trauma" which is part and parcel of being Jewish, whether religious or atheist - is playing out in a way I honestly didn't expect to happen.

Unlike others I don't want the marches banned - they are a vital part of a functioning and healthy democracy. However, I don't feel safe around them (and I don't look especially Jewish so I can only image the fear more visible Jews are feeling). Perhaps mentally safe would be a better term. Nevertheless, it's all very well saying that they are not hate marches because the majority are marching for peace (although we see very little placards specifically calling for peace). The fact is there is a strong antisemitic presence at them and while the antisemites may be a minority, they are a significant minority and it's not contained to the marches. People can keep denying this as much as they like, but a majority of British Jews (from what I've seen) are quite clear on what they're are witnessing and how it's making them feel. Unfortunately, I think something pretty awful is going to happen in the UK for more people to acknowledge this.

I'm also absolutely disgusted that politicians like Suella Braverman and Marine Le Pen are capitalising on this and making it look like antisemitism is a right wing concern. These aren't the people I particularly want to see fighting our corner thanks very much, yet somehow Jews are slowly being aligned to the far right. It's bonkers.

I also think a lot of posters on MN over the last 6 weeks have been wildly antisemitic and have become obsessed with goading and hounding Jewish women off here, including getting them banned. Some very eloquent, informative, compassionate, left wing Jewish women - like the OP - who were around the boards a lot in October have not returned. Why do you think that is?

Not really got anything else to say so will bow out now.

I hope that Twillow knows that admitting to a "Freudian slip" actually does reveal her to be an anti Semite out of her own mouth.
Or does she not know the meaning of "Freudian slip"?

Because it would be impossible to arrest every dodgy placard holder

Really? Because there were so many of them you mean? Or because arresting racists would have led to a riot by people who see nothing wrong with racism when the objects of it are Jewish?

So someone lied last night. They were not just innocently asking questions and were being misunderstood

Glad we got that cleared up

The woman with the swastika in a star of David that has been shown a lot from this last march is an ex Labour MP.

She was about during Corbyn times and resigned before because she was later under investigation for witch hunt conspiracy claims. Basically she thinks Jews made up antisemitism in the Labour Party.

So no she and others are not actors for Israel. Anyone that says or suggests this are blatantly antisemitic fuckwits and Hamas/hate march apologisists

Blimey…the hostility is palpable. Actually I said not a Freudian slip .

"I also think a lot of posters on MN over the last 6 weeks have been wildly antisemitic and have become obsessed with goading and hounding Jewish women off here, including getting them banned. "

I have noticed that too.

And the other threads shout down anybody who doesn't say that the marches are peaceful and have no other objective but peace and refuse to acknowledge any antisemitism at the marches or worse still suggest that it the anti-Semitism is Israels' fault! All other threads about Israeli action in Gaza is also populated by hate speech. There are no moderate opinions. Best to leave these threads to themselves so they can keep carry on preaching veiled and not so veiled anti-Semitic tropes. Some serious gas lighting on there.

Do you know her name?