Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

My family live in Gaza, or maybe lived, I have no idea at this point.

So no I am not a genocide supporter. I am no moaning about being scared in my suburban home. I find it offensive that you have called me that or decided you know what my beliefs are.

I also have family in Israel. Christians, both in Gaza and in Israel. Caught in the middle essentially.

But honestly the idea that a march in London will make fuck all difference to this at this point seems unbelievable.

😂😂😂 This is the answer to everything. The UN are corrupt, Amnesty International are antisemitic, Save the Children are funding arms for Palestinian kids(that one came up on a thread earlier). Every organisation/country/person that speaks out against Israels awfulness is waved away as not being credible for some reason or another. It's actually comical at this stage.

But my point is, it is not specifically Israeli policies that are compared to Nazis. It is lso Russian, Iranian, Chinese, and many many others. I agree, it would be better to criticise oppressive and murderous actions anywhere without referencing the Holocaust. But this is not because it is anti semitic to do so.

Well said.

@Gruntsandgroans Hilarious when my family and friends have to work around load shedding schedules because there's been no investment in Eskom for twenty years because the money was stolen. How they laugh 🙄

Question: Why aren't there any marches showing solidarity with Jewish people in London at the moment?

The BLM marches in response to police violence against black people were well-attended and went on for months. But Jewish schoolchildren are being attacked in broad daylight, and there's not even a single, tiny rally to show support for this highly vulnerable community.

Question: Did you start or attend any BLM march? Have you started any march in support of Jewish people? Or are you just sitting safely in your home, throwing Black people up as pawns to make your point while waiting for other people to take real actions for you?

As bad as Hitler and the holocaust... um. no, you might more realistically say he is as bad as Winston Churchill in the war who was responsible for many deaths and bombings. What was our alternative then? We could have just surrendered to save innocent lives. So why do we still today honour past soldiers and war heroes?

What does it say about you that when you’re faced with images of thousands of people protesting genocide and simply asking for freedom, the only thing you focus on is a few handmade, controversial posters?

Whatdoes it say about Jewish people that they recognise and are worried about anti-Semetism? Really?

Do you recognise that comparing a Jew to Hitler is a particularly nasty thing to do, specifically because they are Jewish?

And therefore there are people who do it deliberately for precisely that reason?

If someone "innocently" compared a Jew to Hitler and it was pointed out how fucking awful that was, would the appropriate response be to say 'sorry, I'll pick someone else next time' or would it be to double down and keep doing it?

And if this keeps happening, people might start to suspect that it's deliberate?

I'm not Jewish but I moved to a Jewish area a year ago and noticed security guards stationed outside synagogues, community spaces, and even nurseries - way before this all kicked off. I really feel for the community. I feel for BOTH sides, for all the generations of pain. It's very very sad.

I found this to be a really interesting read https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/29/of-course-the-holocaust-is-relevant-to-israel-now

May be, this is about defending Palestinians and not about hating on Jews.

https://twitter.com/richferrer/status/1718557097288196488/photo/1

And here you seem to be acknowledging that the placards are indeed aimed at Jewish people:

"If more Jewish people marched for Palestinians, than may be placards would be more specifically against Israel to distinguish the clear differences in Jewish vs Israeli gov views".

Incidentally, how do you know how many Jewish people marched for Palestine?

But this is exactly my point. No one, Jewish or non-Jewish, is starting these marches. They are indeed staying safe at home. Why? Do you think Jewish people are cowards? Or are they just terrified?

Is it changing times and opinions? A considerable number of those under 50 have no interest in religion so this is just one country fighting another. Personally I do not see the need for Jews to have a homeland in Israel or anywhere. I also do not see that the Palestine's need to be there either, its only a piece of land. Honesty the only way I can see peace in that area is to say it is not a Jewish or Islamic state rather a neutral area.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation should it be taken down yes. Should it be by bombing civilians to this degree no. Target attacks and special forces is what is needed the Israelis have learned nothing from our mistakes in Iraq or Afghanistan. They are now hitting Lebanon for crying out loud.

I'm beginning to wonder if any side should have power in the region! It was originally a British problems post world war 2 and I wonder if we need to be peace keepers once again. Sadly when Palestine elects people like Hamas a two state solution doesn't seem viable.

The problem with the whole conflict is it's is a largely Jewish population against a largely Muslim population so religious signs etc are going to be dragged through the mud by both sides which in the west isn't as taboo as it used to be.

If more Jewish people marched for Palestinians, than may be placards would be more specifically against Israel to distinguish the clear differences in Jewish vs Israeli gov views.

WTF does this even mean? That Jews are responsible for anti-Semitism?

"Personally I do not see the need for Jews to have a homeland in Israel or anywhere."

Respectfully, I think that centuries of persecution and genocide aimed at Jewish people should have taught you otherwise.

Can I ask then, do you agree that protesting against Israel is not anti semitic, and comparing its actions to a recognised aggressive state/actor (Russia, China etc) is also not anti semitic, it is just the use of hitler or the holocaust is what you see as ant semitic?

The area that is Palestine though has been occupied since ancient times, the British were just the last overseers of the land until the state of Israel was formed

There isnt and has never been an issue with the state of Israel, the issue has been how the land was divided up, taken and encroached on in the decades since.

However Israel is surrounded on all sides by states which are opposed to a state of Israel so is naturally defensive

Palestinians see themselves as oppressed and colonised, and their land stolen so live in a state of 'fightback' which is a fertile breeding ground for terrorism against Israel.

Who knows what on earth the outcome will be in the end.

Yes, Jews now seem to be responsible for placards calling them Christ killers.

Why should British Jews march for Palestine, which is under the control of Hamas, an organisation whose self declared aim is to kill them all?

It's not 'what I see as antisemitic', it's specifically in the IHRA definition of antisemitism. Which I posted upthread.

I hate what’s happening to Gaza but genuinely concerned people think these posters are ok. It’s scary.

Ive seen Jewish actors on social media who’ve said NOTHING be harassed on social media with threats and comments about hating Jews.

What does it say about you when you deny antisemitism to the extent that you think there is nothing wrong with posters implying all Jews are implicated in Israel’s actions and one blaming Jews for killing Jesus?

I am not denying that antisemitism exists. It does and it is awful. It is not acceptable that innocent individuals are being targeted and feeling scared because of possible reactions to what is being done by the Israeli government or because of pure antisemitism.

I genuinely am not seeing what in those posters implying that all Jews are responsible for Israel’s actions, and I am looking for that. Although I don’t believe individual posters should take away from the overwhelming message of posters that people are marching with which are asking for freedom, a basic human right. The Jewish people that go to these marches in support of Palestinians are the most respected and welcome people there.

They have used pictures and slogans that were used in the holocaust. It’s sick.

Why should British Jews march for Palestine, which is under the control of Hamas, an organisation whose self declared aim is to kill them all?

Humanity? The women and children of Palestine are not Hamas.

Personally if I were a British Jew I’d be terrified to do anything of the sort.

I believe there were a lot of Jews at the protests on Saturday calling for Ceasefire