Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

Some of these are anti-Semitic. The Christ carrying the cross? FFS. If you can’t see how that’s anti-Semitic then you really need to do some bloody reading!

And your response to that post proves it’s point completely!

The two on the bottom right are as I see it. The Christ one obviously and the second one because it suggests all Jews have blood on their hands and they certainly do not. I don’t understand that the others are. I can’t see how a personal attack on Netanyahu is anti Semitic at all even though the statement is not one that I agree with. There are loads of real anti semitic activities and posters that you could focus on.

Not everyone believes that criticism of Israeli policy whereby comparisons are made to fascist atrocities of Nazi Germany should be called anti semitism.

There is a problem when people/placards/marches are aimed at the Jewish population though, whether in UK or in Israel.

But in reality, you dont need to compare whats happening to the holocaust, it is a war crime, it is unjust, it is genocide and would be whatever country was acting in this way.

During the eastern European wars in the 90s, people made those comparisons because they were valid. They are valid now.
Bearing also in mind that the ethnic Slavic people, who made up a huge number of victims in the WWII holocaust as victims of the Nazis, were also involved in the wars in the 90s and history repeated itself to some degree for that population.

I don't get the Holocaust one? Israel is carrying out a Holocaust(destruction or slaughter on a mass scale) and we are continually being told that Israel was formed because of the Jewish Holocaust so I'd say that it is pretty spot on?

I didn't see the picture of the cross so I apologise for missing it, my eyesight is shite. I don't actually get it as I've had very little religious education when it comes to Christianity and Judaism but I apologise for any offense caused.

I understand that slapping the star of David on the anti-zionism ones is associating Jews with zionism, but I wouldn't immediately have taken it that way and I think that the majority of people at the protest would recognise it as the symbol on the Israeli flag foremost.

Zionism is not equal Judaism in my eyes and I won't deny that some people won't understand that, but I sincerely hope that they will be a minority.

The placards are clearly antisemitic to me (half Jewish, ethnically speaking). OP I don't even know why I clicked on this thread other than to lend some support. The antisemitism I have seen on MN since the atrocities committed in Israel on 7th Oct has made me feel sick to my stomach. I used to encourage my children to be proud of their heritage - now I'd probably tell them to keep quiet if it came up. I don't know what else I can say. I feel that no other ethnic group has to argue to have discrimination against them acknowledged in this way by left leaning, progressive people in Britain.

I think they are trying to bring attention to the genocide that’s happening. How children and innocent Palestinians are being killed by the use of illegal phosphorus bombs. How they have no food, water or electricity. Tiny baby’s and children are being burned to death by constant bombing. Innocent people are trapped under the rubble with no hope of escape. Innocent Palestinians are still being killed and evicted from their homes in West Bank.
i think that’s what the placards are actually about. It says Israel and Netanyahu because that is who is carrying out the atrocities and the effects are similar to that of the holocaust.

The Star of David references the Israeli flag - that was my first thought, anyway.

This explains why there are a bunch of posters claiming they never see any antisemitism on MN.

If you don't understand why the placards in the OP are antisemitic then you should be going away and doing some reading, not telling the OP that they are wrong.

The star of david/christ carrying the cross are especially offensive and anti semetic. It doesn't help the legitimate dialogue and achieves nothing. And yes alienates and divides. Such a stupid array of placards FFS. These people probably don't even care about palestine but just want to be outwardly anti semetic and feel like they are in the right.

Well, I thought it was the Romans that killed Jesus, but I don’t claim to know that part of history very well so I could be wrong. But if I make the statement that Jesus was killed by the Romans, no one is going to start accusing me of hating all Italians. Or hating everyone that believes whatever the Romans believed at that time. They might tell me I’m wrong, but they won’t tell me I’m racist, because that would clearly be incorrect.

Most countries/political groups have signed up to an agreed definition of anti semitism. And within that is that it is anti semitic to compare Israeli government policy to atrocities committed against the Jewish population (and many other ethnic groups too) during the holocaust.

Which means its impossible to talk about the potential impact from genocide caused by the Israeli government and use comparisons to one of the most well known holocausts without being anti semitic.

But the star of david is not exclusive to Israel

It really did. It's just horrible. All these marches ..I've seen so many videos from news and friends footage. Hamas need to be taken out completely....doesn't most sane people think this? How Israel does it I'm not sure but their borders were violated by people who's sole aim is death to all Jews. What are the supposed to do? The images from Gaza are also heartbreaking. I'm sure there are lots of normal people there who just want to live in peace alongside all religions but with Hamas in charge they have no chance of that.

Ah thanks for the explanation. That's handy for Israel.

One of them is anti semitic, the Jesus one. The others are not?

Though I can't read all the messages in the second photo on the mobile app.

Because since early biblical times, its been a stick to beat Jewish people with, a view that Jesus was betrayed by his Jewish community (being that he was Jewish) and that therefore Jewish people arent to be trusted etc etc etc

Its just an ignorant thing rather than being a factual statement given there was no 'christianity' at the time and just fed into these stereotypes that christians are good people and can be trusted and Jewish people are unreliable and you have to watch your back round them.

The third one is out of order, the fifth one probably is as well although I don’t fully understand it. The others don’t seem as offensive really and Israel does have blood on its hands (as does Hamas of course)

EDIT: I’ve just read the first one properly again. That ones out of order too.

Even if the individuals that made those posters are anti semitic, those posters are one offs in a sea of posters that just say ‘stop the war’ or ‘free Palestine’.

It really shouldn’t be that hard for anyone to believe that the vast majority of people protesting are doing so with valid reason because innocent people are being killed in the most barbaric way. Protesting against Israel’s actions is a completely normal, humane response to what is happening.

What does it say about you that when you’re faced with images of thousands of people protesting genocide and simply asking for freedom, the only thing you focus on is a few handmade, controversial posters?

In the Bible it has Pilate washing his hands of the death of Jesus and the Jewish crowd choosing to have Barabbas, a criminal, released instead of Jesus.

"24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. 25Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. 26Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified."

It was quite convenient for the Christians of the time to place all the blame for the crucifixion of Jesus on the Jews rather than the Romans.

Comparing Israel to the Nazis is clearly offensive, but it isn't anti semitic.

The star probably represents Israel (it's on the flag) rather than all Jews.

However the Christ killer one is undeniably anti semitic.

People are not a homogenous group. I think most people are protesting Israels disregard for the lives of civilians, the grotestque ordering of hospitals to shut down, etc
I dont think the current Israeli government speaks for jews world wide. British jews do not see themselves as defenders of Netanyahus policies, or needing to vouch for it.
Yes, there are idiots out there who might be antisemitic or... islamophobic.
Suggesting this is almost 1930s Germany is just too strident in my opinion. 2million people under seige is the greater humanitarian concern.

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