Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

Oh yes and the old bloke that got punched and kicked enjoyed it too

Seriously learn to read what people have said about these incidents themselves. They don't need you telling them how they feel

I get all this doesn't fit the protesters are all peaceful narrative you want to believe/push but not everyone on the marches are lovely people. Deal with that!

@Struggggggling I wish a 2 state solution were possible. Israel has been making sure that 'facts on the ground' make it an impossibility. While Gaza is being crushed, look who has been 'entrusted' to run the administration of the occupied West Bank: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezalel_Smotrich

He is a supporter of expanding Israeli settlements in the West Bank, opposes Palestinian statehood, and denies the existence of the Palestinian people. He self-describes as "a far-right person, a homophobe, racist, and fascist". He believes that if a Palestinian child were to throw stones at occupying soldier, "I will shoot him, or I will jail him, or I will expel him." In Israel itself, he supports segregation of Arab and Jewish women in hospital maternity wards - proper apartheid style.

Yep I have no problem doing that and I am devastated for the loss of Israel lifes too. Plus want the hostages returned to their families.

How about you?

However this thread wasn't started for those things. It is supposed to be about the protests being used by some nasty people to spread hate and incit violence. Which we have proven on this thread time and time again. Some people are using the marches to do these things. Therefore better measures need to be mad to stop this happening

I do believe in peoples right to free speech and to protest. However hate speech and crimes need to be addressed

Interesting take on my comment that people shouldn't be physically aggressive to those they disagree with.

I may have missed it but I don't seem to actually seen you saying those words either. Personally I think Netanyahu is a lunatic and Hamas are fucking savages and I loathe the loss of innocent life.

HTH.

Man subjected to antisemitic abuse after pro-Palestinian protest

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67328715

I have been to the marches and seen none of this. The vast majority of people there are peaceful and respectful of others. There are people of all ethnicities, religions and walks of life walking together for humanity. The Daily Mail could cover that, but they prefer to go digging for a bad apple and put it on the front page to detract from the message of the march.

I am having trouble finding much information yet. However:

"Tensions in the United States following the Israel-Hamas conflict have claimed their first casualty. Local Los Angeles law enforcement confirmed late Monday that a Jewish man died as a result of a head injury after being assaulted by a pro-Palestinian protester with a Megaphone during demonstrations that took place in a neighborhood in North Los Angeles."

Got a little more information:

65-year-old Jewish man Paul Kessler has been killed by an anti-Israel protester in Los Angeles.

The anti Semites on this thread have no fucking shame.
Anti Semitism doesn't not exist just because Palestinians suffer.
Anti Semitism doesn't not exist just because a Jewish person somewhere did or said something against an anti Semite's designated " good guys".
An anti Semite isn't not an anti Semite because he/ she isn't a criminal.
An anti Semite isn't not an anti Semite because they wander into a thread about anti Semitic matches and protests organised by anti Semites, denying the anti Semitic provenance of said marches that existed before Israel even dropped one bomb in retaliation for Oct 7th right after October 7th brandishing information pertaining to Israeli aggression against Palestinians.
All it suggests is that the anti Semites on this thread think that worldwide anti Semitism is a justifiable end to Israeli political actions.
The same Israeli political actions that the anti Semites made no mention of pre October 7th, but use "seventy odd years of Palestinian suffering" in reply
to any mention of anti Semitism surge post October 7th.
This espousing the Left's anti Semitic in manifestation Heirarchy of victimhood/ oppression....one that is racist in no expectations for Black people ( especially criminal men), Muslims and transwomen( especially the most degenerate).
East Asians, Hindus, Sikhs, Latinos( in the UK) or Jewish people do not exist on this racist spectrum. Yet it is only the Jews out of these ignored groups who they cannot truly ignore and are by far the smallest minority amongst all the minorities , ignored or not.

Well I was going to mention it but was feeling polite

Have let out my oh for goodness sake feelings on a different thread tonight already

Probably best to ignore derailment as much as possible anyway

@HoldOnMiGenna The marches are in protest to Israel's policy of indiscriminate killing of innocents and collective punishment. They are not about anti-Semitism, whether you like it or not. Creating a thread with such a loaded title is offensive and misleading.

Have you read your own source?
For it says no such thing.
It does quote the London Israeli embassy saying:
PSC "leads the campaign in the UK to demonise and boycott Israel".
Boycotting Israel does not mean denying its right to exist.
Boycotting Israel because of its long term breaking of international law is an entirely legitimate position.*
Though I believe Rishi is trying to ban public bodies from doing it.
Any other sources?
Other than the opinions of the Israeli embassy?

• That's me banned from entering the country as well?

more than loaded.
It does though highlight the mis-use of the term anti semitic.
so I suppose it has some value.
Seems clear to me that the OP wants the marches banned.
Along with some parts of the government.
Along with some parts of the press, including the Daily Mail.
Along with the Israeli embassy.

It literally does.

From the article:

'Israel's Immigration Authority said Mr Lanning was not stopped due to the new law, but instead on the discretion of Interior Minister Aryeh Deri and Strategic Affairs Minister Gilad Erdan.
It also released an image showing Mr Lanning in a meeting with the then-leader of the Palestinian militant group Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, in 2012.'

...

"Lanning is associated with the leaders of Hamas, which is designated as a terror group across the European Union; a group whose anti-Semitic charter calls for killing all Jews.'

It's very clear that it doesn't matter what is presented, even photographic proof of them hobnobbing with terrorists, you're still going to twist it to insist that they're all peace loving humanitarians. So crack on supporting antisemitism but don't think we don't see you.

I could understand to some extent the marches in Beirut but this is London and I think generally as an overall society there is a horror about the events of October 7th and a heart felt wish for the hostages to be released. Yes there is a humane desire to minimise civilian casualties in this conflict as in any other but the cause of this conflict was October 7th and it shouldn't be forgotten.

The current escalation of war between Gaza and Israel is not primarily about historical grievance but a needed reaction to the murderous brutality of Hamas whose leaders have admitted should be repeated.

It is not the time to start deflecting blame for October 7th or bringing in some sort of moral equivalence between the deliberate sickening murderous brutality of October 7th and the actions of a professional army who have aimed as far as possible to limit casualties. No member of the IDF has slaughtered babies or tortured women and children in a macabre demonstration of mediaeval barbarity..

Therefore a lot of the slogans in these marches are at best disingenuous and at worst anti semitic with refrains of Palestinian freedom being equated to the removal of Israel as a state.

Please let there be no march on remembrance dead so that we can remember and mourn our war dead respectfully as a nation. Please let's not insult the memory of those that died for our freedoms. The marches won't change British foreign policy and only act as a magnet for a small.number of extremists to forment hate.

So nothing wrong with any of the signs in thr OP then?

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The marches are organised by supporters of Hamas and Hezbollah to advance the aims of those terrorists, the obliteration of the jewish people. That is the purpose of the marches and that doesn't change just because thousands of useful idiots are in denial about who they're marching with. The marches are antisemitic.

Indeed.
They deny. I never saw it so it doesn't exist.
They deflect with whataboutery.
Ignore.
They think anything but acknowledge that anti semitism has risen dramatically recently but has always been there simmering in thd background.

They appear unable to call it out though.

Any of the signs at the marches trouble you at all @FordAnglia ? Amy of them, even the slightest bit? Since this thread is about anti semitism and placards seen in London, that's the question...

where did I say that?
The issue is clearly that on the basis of some signs in a crowd of 70,000 to 100,000 the marches, all the marches have been labelled anti-semitic.
Which is clearly tosh.
It does though expose the use of the charge "anti semitic" in order to stifle debate and examination of the issues.
As such I suppose it is perversely positive.
Though it does the cause of anti antisemitism and the interests of Jewish folk a severe disservice.

ere we go, trying to double down on the anti semitism charge.
The christ killer one immediately comes to mind as anti semitic.
Related to my comment way way upthread, I have had reason to call out an Italian catholic who came out with the crap about the Jews having killed christ. They got both barrels. That charge about the Jews was of course only removed from one of the primary catholic masses in the early 60s. But the canard lives on in the culture, particularly with older folk.
Everyone knows of course that it was the Italians (Romans) who killed christ.
The stitch up between the romans and christians on the issue is a sad education in Realpolitik and the warped progress of history.
Which brings us back to Israel's unfortunate activities over the last few decades and the free pass given it by too many countries.

see my answers to others below - came to their comments first so answered them.

What I was taught at Sunday school was that 'humanity' (ie. the tendency in all of us to choose the wrong and unjust thing) killed Christ. Surely any other interpretation misses the whole point of the New Testament?