"But Israel gave them prime waterfront land!". A life in Gaza thread.

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"But Israel gave them prime waterfront land, and they still wouldn't accept a two state solution".

A poster said this on another thread and I literally can't get this out of my head. It's probably the best (and worst) case of gaslighting hasbara I have seen on any of the threads.

Just incase anyone has the notion that Gazans were reclining on their sunloungers, admiring the sea views from their luxury penthouse apartments, this is a thread to discuss life in Gaza pre 7/10.

Some facts:

Gaza fact sheet

The UK gets quite a substantial amount of electricity from France and Norway, and if they turned off our supply would you blame them or our own government for not providing our energy security? But, but, Israel.

Well, France doesn’t have a land, sea and air blockade around us. Nor do they control the number of jobs we can have at a rate of 5,000 jobs per 1 million people. Nor does France regularly bomb our power plant and refuse the fuel needed to run its generators.

Yes a truly horrible event but who would encourage or even allow their children to take part in a protest right on the border of a fearsome military power who they have vowed to destroy? Even the UN didn’t describe the protests as peaceful.

do you condemn war crimes?

You think the punishment for protest against a repressive violent regime should be death?

I assume you feel the same way about the Sharpeville massacre and Tiananmen.

@TutuDesi France don’t need to do any of that because the UK isn’t committed to achieving its destruction and the murder of all its inhabitants.

Please answer my question, do you condemn war crimes?

So it is the children’s parents fault that IDF soldiers shot and killed them, knowing that they were children and part of a peaceful protest? And when did these parents vow to destroy Israel? And what about the fact that not one single IDF solider or Israeli civilian was attacked or killed? It sort of indicates to me that the UN report was correct that the protesters were unarmed and of no threat to life to any IDF soldier. Which seems to indicate these protesters were not people who have vowed to destroy or murder anyone.

Your comments are high on rhetoric and low on evidence. Do you agree with Lieberman then that there are no innocents in Gaza, that every man, woman and child is connected to Hamas?

The UN did describe the protesters as peaceful. I cut and paste from their comments in the HRW report.

Which protests are we talking about here? The ones being carried out the world over calling for cease fire and against genocide? To be fair I don't think that the UN give a flying f*ck about the protests. I'd guess they are a bit more concerned with Israel's war crimes and mass slaughter.

Yes I do condemn war crimes but the commitment of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews means that Israel can justify to itself this sort of horrible destruction in the name of self defence. It is clearly not analogous to Tiananmen Square or Sharpeville as the protestors weren’t calling for the murder of Chinese or US citizens.

so you're basically exposed your own glaring hypocrisy. @Hippyhippybake

You can't condemn war crimes and justify them at the same time.

Oops. SA autocorrected to US for some reason

Absolutely, which I why I vehemently condemn Hamas for not only breaking the ceasefire on 7 October, but also for purposely targeting young civilians at a music festival. There was no indication that Israeli troops were present, so this was a war crime.

Sharpeville wasn't in the US. And the ANC were certainly calling for armed struggle. Not sure I'm engaging with someone who clearly knows so little about the history of resistance.

Bullshit.

Slight problem with your rhetoric here, the Israeli airstrikes of Gaza predate Hamas coming to power by FIVE YEARS and the Israeli blockade of Gaza predates Hamas coming to power by TWO YEARS.

You have a chicken and egg logic fail. The blockade was implemented in 2005 but was advertised as only temporary, in 2007 after Hamas came to power this was then admitted to be a permanent blockade. The first airstrike by an F-16 on a residential apartment block was in 2002.

You actually think this is an independent or reliable source of information? Really?

"Also note: the number of Palestinians killed does not include the 471 Gazans killed in the Al Ahli hospital blast, as the source of the projectile is in dispute. However, much evidence points to Israel as the culprit, and experts are still looking into the ."

https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/charts/

@usernamealreadytaken so you condemn the Israeli govts war crimes against Palestinians as documented here and by United Nations, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty and more?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/have-war-crimes-been-committed-in-israel-and-gaza-and-what-international-laws-apply

Yes I do condemn war crimes but the commitment of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews means that Israel can justify to itself this sort of horrible destruction in the name of self defence.
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Yes I do condemn Hamas but the commitment of the Israel government to the acquisition of Palestinian lands and ethnic cleansing means Hamas can take control of the resulting unstable regions and cause all sorts of horrible destruction in the name of jihad.

The self-defence justification isn’t a because I said so justification. It has to withstand international legal scrutiny, and according to UNWRA, UNHCR, UNSC, and UNSG along with many other NGOs on human rights such as Amnesty International and HRW including a few in Israel, the claim to self-defence is weaker than a newborn in an incubator.

Your comment and your disgusting hypocrisy would be funny if it wasn't so horribly cruel and lacking in conscience.

It is still being looked into, although the other 35 Israeli strikes on medical centres are not in dispute. Other intelligence agencies have disputed r misfired rocket theory. It is a good and reliable act to exclude those deaths from the count until it has been full investigated- which is impossible to do now due to the continuous bombardment and now ground incursions.

Palestinian children getting murdered is sad but...

This is chilling. To be so lacking in empathy for murdered children. I'm speechless.