The number of children killed in Gaza in 3 weeks is more than the total number killed in armed conflict globally last year!

[Ohlalalalala]

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/gaza-childrens-deaths-in-last-three-weeks-surpasses-total-child-#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20children%20reported%20killed%20in%20just%20three%20weeks,for%20the%20last%20three%20years.

The number of children reported killed in just three weeks in Gaza is more than the number killed in armed conflict globally – across more than 20 countries – over the course of a whole year, for the last three years.

Well human shield or more likely not doesnt seem to be working does it. Isreal so concerned for the hostages it indiscriminately bombs the living shit out of palestine.
Evil.

Apparently a pivotal point in the tunnels is beneath the hospitals.

@eardefender two sides to a conflict. Yes you are correct although the way people are dying I think its more than a conflict!!

Your post is shocking, I noticed how you didn't say the conflict needs to end. I will say it for you... it needs to end its all do very sad whoever is wrong or right. It should stop as it's getting out of control.

And if you dont believe it you are anti semitic

You asked why I brought it up, I gave you an answer. What’s your problem?

What's your problem?

What makes you think I have a problem? I was simply pointing out that the murder of 1.5 million children kind of indicates that there weren't many routes out for Jewish children.

@ChickHenLittle

"I don't think other posters are the ones with a simple world view"

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What concerns me on this issue is that disagreement with posts (regardless of your view) is shown through either whataboutery or simply "you're wrong " as per your post.

If you disagree with a post please deconstruct it with a factual based argument. Otherwise it just turns into a conviction based rant that neither informs or debates and refuses to see the other point of view meaning any compromise solution to peace slips further away.

My husband is Jewish. My daughter is half Jewish. These Gaza killings are an abomination. Any killings are disgusting. How can the Jews inflict this on another people. Gaza is a huge prison camp. How can anyone think this is ok? My husbands Jewish family send money over to Israel that is then used to imprison and kill Palestinians including children. Hatred breeds hatred and Jews then get killed. How can the Jews who were persecuted go on to persecute? Well hate just breeds hate.

Do not understand the world anymore.
Tories. Brexit. Gaza. It's the 1930's and 40's all over again.

I despair that anyone would even try to justify the deaths of so many children.

The brutal murder of children on 7/10 is already too much to bear but these innocent deaths increase in each moment are no less a stain on humanity but can be stopped.

Anyone not calling for the indescriminate deaths to stop has sold their soul.

We are talking about children, thousands of children I dont care if there's a terrorist hiding behind them, there is never a justification for aiming and pulling the trigger anyway, never, never, never.

I was scanning the thread and I actually thought a lot of the posts were about Israel instead of Hamas.

Hear hear

I had to sit a while after reading that to let the enormity of what has happened actually sink in. The inhumanity being enacted is hard to believe and one of the few benefits of social media is that this cannot be hidden, glossed over or denied.

I wonder if you mind sharing whether it is a widely known fact (for Israeli people) that the Israeli government imprisons Palestinian children / doesn’t allow free access to water etc? It seems to me by most pro Israeli posters on this that they are genuinely shocked and offended by the ‘didn’t happen in a vacuum’ comment. Is it because they don’t know about these things happening (as in the government hides it from its people unless they go looking for the information)

i hope this is not an offensive question, I just really can’t believe that this many people walk between us which could possibly know all this but still think what Israel is doing is justified/proportionate given the background.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy84TXrrjPB/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Heartbreaking 💔

It’s sickeningly ignorant to suggest that Palestinians in Gaza have some sort of easy route to get their children out.

I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn for work and I am appalled by the number of Jewish colleagues seeking to censor people from criticising Israel’s response to the terrorist attacks by suggesting that doing so increases the rate of antisemitism. Never an indication that perhaps it is Israel’s very actions that are, in this instance, feeding antisemitism.

Most of this post is propoganda.

You are effectively saying that Israeli are nothing but good and the Palestinians are not only good but stupid to boot.

I also have no doubt that civilians are being caught in the cross fire but i seriously doubt the numbers coming from Hamas who we know are genocidal because it is in their charter to kill all jews.

This old bloody chestnut - they are under seige and have been for FIFTEEN YEARS. So yes - of course they want you gone. It is entirely rational. They want you gone so they can have the right to self determination, and maybe just a little dignity.

And by the way - Israelis did the exact same thing with the exact same tone to the British.

And to prevent their supposed genocide against Israel - what? You get in first? Obliterate the lot of them?

The only people in that conflict who manage to mass murder/killing/death/ whatever you want to call it are....Israelis.

No of course nobody should play top trumps.

But surely you can take the point the poster is trying to make?

A community so utterly and permanetly scared by the loss of their children at that time can surely spare a thought for the children of Gaza?

Wht are the Palestinians patying the price for the second world war?

Many Israelis want peace and Justice - Netanyahu’s ultra right wing government and the abominations it perpetrates has actually quite limited support. In the same way as we must not equate Hamas with innocent Palestinians we shouldn’t equate the Israeli government with Israeli people.

You need to add:

-stealing aid from UNWRA ✔️ (which they have said isn't true).

I am Jewish and have family (DH's sisters )in Israel. The thing is that the Shoah taught Jews that only they can defend themselves, nobody else. What is also the case is that DH's sisters support these military actions and it's not because they hate Palestinians. It's because they are traumatized and they have been told that this is what is needed to eliminate Hamas. And that all the bombs, all the actions that Israel have taken thus far are also for the good of the Palestinian people (who need to be liberated from hamas)

I remember posting an excerpt of a sermon from my rabbi which quoted the Mishnah in the family chat. Basically it was saying that the angels didn't rejoice even when our enemies at that time (Egyptian soldiers) died so even in war, we need to remember our humanity and not descend to same level as terrorists. Cue in an angry reply from my SIL (who grew up in London and is your typical soft spoken English rose) who said that this sermon (and getting all biblical) was insensitive and it's easy for me to moralize from London. And that they are terrified and the enemy are barbarians. My other SIL whose best friend in university was an Iranian girl (and was living in the UK until last year) is now super pro IDF and feels that the bombing of civilians needs to be done for the sake of the Palestinian people.. she was also upset with my DH who donated £150 to UNICEF (for the Palestinian children) and told him that it was going to Hamas!

I have shared my login details to haaretz with them so it is not for lack of information, haaretz is the Israeli equivalent of the new York times and does not agree with netanyahu's approach and regularly writes about the suffering of the Palestinians as well as detailed analysis by renowned academics that say how destroying Hamas and hurting the Palestinian people will just create Hamas 2.0. My SILs still don't believe me or the experts (in an Israeli newspaper)..

Btw my family are probably more on the left wing of the spectrum and more open minded. They always socialized with non Jewish people and their mum is a convert, have non Jewish family which they love.. before I converted, they also didn't treat me any differently . So this is a shock to me that they are acting this way, it is very very uncharacteristic. I firmly believe it is trauma and not their true personality and they would be fine when this is all over, possibly regret it.

I always enjoy your posts @lavender2023 thank you. Israel lobbies very hard to portray all Palestinians as the literal enemy who are a threat at all times. We've seen across these threads how Palestinian people are automatically equated with Hamas, even the children 🤔. It's an effective way of Israel legitimising the constant human rights violations against them. I've heard multiple spokespeople for the government saying even the children are Hamas because they are indoctrinated from textbooks in the school. I'd love to see one of these textbooks, strangely no one has ever posted the proof. Cognitive dissonance also plays a huge role, especially for religiously motivated people who believe God chose them for the land and that they alone are entitled to it at any cost. The awareness of knowing that your comfort comes at great expense to another person's human rights must be very difficult, but it's much easier to manage when they are positioned as a dangerous, animalistic people devoid of feelings and emotions.

It’s right to bring it up, because even in their darkest hour, there was at least a little hope of escape from the Nazis for some Jewish people. The Israelis have made sure there is no hope, having effectively coralled the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, so that there is no escape, no way for them to flee and seek refuge, and they are now being deprived of the very basics necessary for human existence.

And I’m afraid to say that the doubt cast by some, on this and other threads, with regard to the number of dead in Gaza begins to be reminiscent of the ghastly Holocaust deniers. Anyone with any common sense can see from the footage of the devastation wrought by Israel on the densely populated Gaza Strip, that many thousands will have been killed and injured. Or are you all saying Hamas has faked the footage, too?

Thank you so much for this very detailed reply. I really appreciate it. I’m also happy to hear there are internal voices trying to resolve this as I don’t think externals stating facts or debate can change anyone’s mind. We need to change someone’s feelings and that can never be done by facts/debate.

It is just so sad how terrible it has got that normally kind compassionate people are losing their ways.

@Ohlalalalala Appreciate your posts here. This is tragic. How can the world sit by and let this happen.