"Exterminate All The Brutes"! And The Genocide Continues... In Darkness

[Ohlalalalala]

The bloodshed needs to stop.

Thousands of innocent people mercilessly massacred in less than 3 weeks and the genociders are still at it in brazen impunity.

You are in our hearts and thoughts. They may cut off all communication but we will never stop shouting from the rooftops:

I am with Gaza; I am with Palestine 🇵🇸

And your voices will be heard.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cyv4Tc3sKH_/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

True.

That said, given your experience in media/ PR you must be familiar with the concept of Atrocity Propaganda and the Propaganda Model (Chomsky"s Manufacturing Consent) and the way the mass media work?

Why are we here trying to debunk some of the myths about Palestine do you think? If the mass media were objective in condemning attacks on innocent people on BOTH sides instead of fuelling hatred towards and dehumanising Palestinians by using cruel tactics with their sensationalist headlines?

Who has the most powerful lobby/ mouthpieces/ propagandists/ PR strategists with a budget of billions of USD all working to stifle debate and stop any criticism of Israel while working tirelessly to dehumanise Palestinians and dismiss their plight?

No, we are not getting a true picture of what's happening in Palestine through the mass media. We are getting it from the suffering, brave people. That's why we need to spread awareness ourselves.

On Palestine by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappé

https://amzn.eu/d/0zlVDnq

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappé
https://amzn.eu/d/cJozEZ3

Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media by Noam Chomsky
https://amzn.eu/d/3eEHT0L

This.
Thank you.

It’s really difficult to prove genocide as mass killing is a war crime on its own and genocide is mass killing with intent to displace or exterminate an entire ethnicity, culture or religion within a region. It seems to be intent that causes the crossing from mass killing to genocide.

In the past, genocides have been ruled in international courts as having happened when the numbers murdered ranged from 8,000 to 6 million (the highest is of course the Holocaust, the worst of all genocides to have occurred in known history). I found the below article explaining the nuance of genocide versus mass killing quite helpful.

Personally, it helped me to trust the international experts on genocide and I agree with them the situation in Gaza and the West Bank has the appearance of a genocide in the making.

I grew up with the Holocaust taught in Hebrew school at the Synagogue, learning the full horrors of it and every day we chanted a prayer of remembrance at the start. As an adult, the Holocaust was the one and only example of a genocide I really knew, it was my frame of reference to which I compared all other claims of genocide and often rejected them because whatever it was, it fell short.

I now realise that the bar for genocide is lower- that the Holocaust was the worst genocide ever by a country mile- so using the Holocaust as the bar for genocide was due to my not being widely informed.

I am very concerned that this conflict is going to be a genocide. The rhetoric is chilling, the civilians deaths horrific, and Israel’s refusal to accept all overtures to engage in diplomacy are devastating.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-genocide-is-defined-and-why-its-difficult-to-prove

I am re-sharing this picture from another mumsnetter on another thread as I find it so true:

This is the perfect depiction of what is currently happening.

The story about the pregnant woman having her belly sliced open is lifted straight from the Sabra and Shatila massacre committed against Palestinians by the IDF in 1982. The truth about 7/10 is very different; accounts from survivors increasingly suggest that the IDF killed many of their own civilians. The Israeli government doesn't want the hostages back either; they've refused several offers of releases and have killed at least 50 in the bombings. Look up the Hannibal directive.

I really think the spell is finally broken in terms of public opinion. It's farcical at this point to silence criticism of Israel's barbaric government by accusing people of antisemitism; there are more Jews protesting against this worldwide than there are Zionists in Israel. Millions of people have heard the word Nakba in the past few weeks and are educating themselves.The cat is out of the bag, Israel has lost control of the narrative, and the world is changing.

Name an overseas conflict Britain has got involved in where we had no self-interest requiring us to do so. I can’t think of one. We supported Ukraine, not to prevent atrocities, but to prevent our enemy Putin taking over a huge piece of pro-West strategic and wealthy agricultural land and then feeling confident enough to invade other ex-Soviet states that are now our allies. We got involved in Iraq and Afghanistan because of perceived threats to the UK. Maybe Kosovo? But that was about stabilising Europe so you could say we had self-interest there too.

What’s happening in Gaza is horrific, but horrific things happen on a daily basis all around the world, and Britain does not police them. If you want a different kind of world, go into politics or lobby your local MP for change. 🤷‍♀️ Saying ‘I stand with Gaza’ on Mumsnet does nothing except make people feel better.

Sadly, I think Nethanyu and others of his generation are where I was. If what they are doing isn’t to the same insanity and calculated murderous intent of the Holocaust, then it cannot be genocide to them. Remember, he is first generation his parents survived the Holocaust.

To his generation, the bombardment of Gaza is legitimate warfare and the number of civilian deaths of thousands, are a drop in a bucket compared to the millions of children gassed in Nazi death camps.

It is because their frame of reference, their concept of what is genocide is the Holocaust and any actions in war that don’t reach the same threshold can’t be genocide. In fact, to them, claiming that 7,800 dead is genocide is insulting and anti-Semitic because it minimises the Holocaust because that is their bar for what is truly a genocide.

It’s similar to a child growing up horrifically abused, then as an adult not comprehending that they are also abusive because they are not even half as bad as what they lived through from their parents.

We are seeing the direct result of inter-generational trauma, the legacy of the Holocaust but instead of it being cycles of abuse within a family, it is passed down between ethnic groups and on the world scale.

I’m not excusing Israel or IDF, I’m trying to explain where their blind spot may have originated.

My heart is bleeding for all the victims of this- the Israeli captives and the Palestinian people. Because this is a cycle that has now been perpetuated and it will loop back again and again. Obama’s recent words on this were very perceptive in that the actions today by Israel and the IDF will echo in the future as they almost certainly have guarenteed that another genocide in a generation or two will be the result of todays trauma to todays children in Gaza.

I think all muslims are fed up of having to answer this first.

I saw Leila Rouass on instagram had a post up of how she was invited on to a news show and this was the first thing she was asked.

"Saying ‘I stand with Gaza’ on Mumsnet does nothing except make people feel better."

We all have power, in different ways. Some of us may work in govt, or peace orgs or tv channels, where we can make direct change (though that is disputed in itself, seeing as how 2 nations have more weight than 100 others, but debate for another day)

For others, we may have only our individual words and media channels to express support. I for one know, that when we look back at this genocide, and the world is decrying it and saying platitudes like never again and how did we make this mistake, I want to be able to look myself in the eye and say I tried to speak out where I could. On my Instagram, at my workplace, on social media sites. I want to be able to look at myself and my children and say, I did not stay silent. My hands are not tarnished with the blood of innocents.

So let us speak on mumsnet if we want to.

I stand with Palestine.

Saying ‘I stand with Gaza’ on Mumsnet does nothing except make people feel better.

I think there IS an element of this. People make the point argue and then fuck off.

But I don't think it's true of everyone. There's plenty of people who want to open up the conversation and talk about the complexity too.

It's frustrating because the former are leading to MN locking and deleting threads (they have to cos of the online harms legislation) but the latter is REALLY REALLY important factor in understanding.

Understanding is the only thing that will lead to de-escalation.

For those into the art of understanding I’d highly recommend watching the ask project on youtube by corey gil-shuster on youtube. He asks questions of both Palestinians and Israelis asked by the viewers. I (as muslim person born in the uk not of Palestinian origin) have been watching for a while now and it is extremely interesting. He’ll ask settlers questions, he’ll go into refugee camps and ask questions. You see raw responses. Sometimes the responses make my blood boil, but as viewer I’m watching and learning about other people’s views.

@RedToothBrush thank you for you posts, in a very fraught time you are a beacon of information and excellent insight. It’s so easy to go guns blazing for either side (I am guilty of this) but reading through your posts calms it somewhat.

https://dawnmena.org/when-palestinian-lives-are-so-dehumanized-palestinian-suffering-is-normalized/

When Palestinian Lives Are So Dehumanized, Palestinian Suffering Is Normalized

Beautifully written by Diana Buttu who is a Canadian Palestinian lawyer specialising in negotiations, international law, and international human rights law. Earlier in her career, Buttu worked on the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, serving as the only female negotiator during her five-year tenure.

Important. Please share!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy7Q0NqOJoE/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

The petition on the bio.

https://instagram.com/shaunking?igshid=OGQ5ZDc2ODk2ZA==

TutuDesib · Yesterday 11:19

Sadly, I think Nethanyu and others of his generation are where I was.

Thanks for your thoughtful post, the insight is very good.

That’s really interesting. I am only learning, through comments like yours, the impact of the holocaust on generations of Jewish people really - the inter generational trauma that of it. I was reading things like “the holocaust was the only true genocide” and I’d think that person was nuts but I understand more now about where views are coming from even if I don’t agree with them.

completely agree with the rest of your post too.

The whole having to condemn Hamas before discussing the genocide of the Palestinians is getting really old. There's the automatic assumption that Palestinians=Hamas, it's so racist. And we cannot reach Hamas leaders to tell them how awful they are and that they must release the hostages. Condemning them achieves nothing. Israel supporters never condemn the IDF. The IDF and many Israeli officials have twitter accounts, for goodness sake. They are much more reachable and they still don't condemn them and tell them to stop the bombing! It shows just how hypocritical Israel supporters are.

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1718781490635681977