How effective is Israeli bombing, anyway?

[mushti]

According to Hamas figures, Israel has dropped 12,000 tonnes of explosives on Gaza. 6000 people have died.

Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews with just what they could carry on trucks and motorbikes.

It almost looks like Israel is trying to minimize casualties, doesn't it?

If their aim is to kill Hamas I think it's highly unlikely to be effective. If the aim is to punish Gaza for the actions of Hamas and obliterate a nation, then very effective.

But no it doesn't look like any meaningful attempt is being made to minimise casualties and your tone is very offensive, given the suffering being experienced by Palestinian families at this moment with many more to come. Have some respect.

to put it bluntly, if a country drops 12000 tones of munitions with the intent of killing civilians, there would be one hundred times as many dead.

the macabre arithmetic is one fatality for every two tonnes of high explosive.

It’s patently clear that Israel’s intent is not to kill Palestinian civilians.

Given that Hamas get voted in every time and cheerfully killed innocent Israel civilians I rather doubt Israeli people worry too much that civilians are being killed in Palestine

Given that Hamas get voted in every time and cheerfully killed innocent Israel civilians I rather doubt Israeli people worry too much that civilians are being killed in Palestine

Voted in every time? 🤔

This 👆

Their aim at the moment will be to destroy buildings. They are going to send in troops to invade shortly. Sending troops into an urban environment is difficult as buildings offer lots of ways to conceal trabs and snipers. They will raise as much of the city to the ground as they can before they send in their troops.

Wow. Such compassion for fellow humans. Sickening and ignorant post.

Compassion is a luxury reserved to those not in a conflict zone.

Progress requires understanding what's in the mind of the participants. 75 years of hand-wringing compassion has achieved nothing, and it's not something I'm going to indulge myself in.

Can we stop with the fucking Israeli propaganda.

The whole world can see what’s happening, trying to minimise it isn’t going to work.

I just heard an IDF reservist speak on R4, he sounds British. He said he went into this thinking that the war was against Hamas, but realized fairly quickly that it's a war against Palestinians. He said he wants the world to wake up and see through the lies of the Israeli government.

likely sitting in a comfy safe place… I suspect there was a general lacking of compassion in this poster even before any conflict.

A post like this just reminds me how things got so bad in civilised countries in the first place. People like this exist, completely void of humanity and compassion for whom innocent children dying is nothing that concerns them.

@mushti "Compassion is a luxury reserved to those not in a conflict zone."
I guess that what's Hamas say too. SurreyClaire and Mushti doing a cracking job on winning the British public round with those comments.

Those soldiers sitting some where safe pushing a button to maim and kill children. Children that if they can have surgery may not have any anaesthetic so further torture for them - which I am sure they will never forget.

I’ve had R4 on this afternoon and didn’t hear anything like that. What time did you hear this?

Of course you did .

Link?

Of course you did .

Link?

If it was R4 might have been World at One?

I think she’s referring to Benzi Sanders from around 21:30 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001rq5w?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

At killing 6000 civilians, very efficient. At killing Hamas terrorists, who knows.
The Israeli government has ordered as many bombs to be dropped since 07/10 on Gaza as the US dropped in a year on Afghanistan. Bear in mind that Afghanistan is 1800 times bigger than Gaza.
I am not pro Hamas but I totally agree with the head of the UN when he stated that the attacks didn't happen in a vacuum. There is so much oppression, some much provocation human beings can take before reacting. This is not an excuse for what Hamas did but an explanation.
In the words of Norman Finkelstein ( whom all family on both sides died in the Holocaust, except his parent) "the Zionists indeed learnt well from the Nazis. So well that it seems that their morally repugnant treatment of the Palestinians, and their attempts to destroy Palestinian society within Israel and the occupied territories, reveals them as basically Nazis with beards and black hats."

@AntonFeckoff yes thank you that's him. @BeggyMitchell not sure why that's so hard to believe? 🤔 It seems he's part of Breaking the Silence, a group where ex IDF soldiers speak out about the mistreatment of Palestinians.

I wasn't talking to you.

Very interesting listening to his perspective. It's good to hear him talk about Israel's role in growing Hamas too. And how Hamas isnt the issue, Palestine is. There has been no talk about that.

Well that's okay then, crack on Israel hey?

Ratio of civilians to fighters perhaps?

The consequences of sanctions on human life?

The consequences and terror of fleeing your home

You don't have to kill or injure to harm. There's the psychological consequences

Harm can also be damage to infrastructure, livelihoods and other things

The cost of rebuilding ?

You have such a narrow, privileged, view of war. Everything's alright so long as I'm not dead ... Okay, right

Unlike the armchair munitions ‘experts’ on here 🙄, my DH actually built bombs for a living as a RAF armourer and worked in bomb disposal in the RAF and as a civvie.
Israel are performing precision strikes, taking down individual buildings, not city blocks. He could tell immediately that Israel hadn’t bombed that hospital or the refugee convoy heading South.
Why would anyone believe the casualty figures coming from Hamas anyway?