How effective is Israeli bombing, anyway?

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According to Hamas figures, Israel has dropped 12,000 tonnes of explosives on Gaza. 6000 people have died.

Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews with just what they could carry on trucks and motorbikes.

It almost looks like Israel is trying to minimize casualties, doesn't it?

Another one whose husband is an expert. Well if you bomb every building in a block on a individual basis, you still bomb a block. Look at the photos! Unless you think those have been photoshopped by Hamas.🙄Jesus wept!

@BorgQueen if bombs were precise in the buildings they took out then a lot of demolition workers will probably be very upset about not being able to work from home

The question should also be how effective is Hamas bombing Israel?

As the Palestinian figures are coming directly from Hamas then they cannot be relied on until independently confirmed IMO.

I have absolutely no doubt there has been many civilian casualties, but not the figures Hamas are releasing.

As the Palestinian figures are coming directly from Hamas then they cannot be relied on until independently confirmed IMO.

I agree. I find it odd that news outlets are reporting the figures as fact.

He could tell immediately that Israel hadn’t bombed that hospital or the refugee convoy heading South.

He’s a bit of an armchair expert himself if he could tell that just by watching the telly.

Yes, they are still disputing the murder/torture videos shown by Israel yet take fucking Hamas’s words as gospel ? 🙄
I’ve seen pictures, downed buildings with others left standing round the periphery, hardly carpet bombing.

He watched the forensic footage via military online channels, not on the ‘telly’. 😉

Anyone with working eyes could see the truck blowing up withing the refugees going south wasn’t the work of a missile.

He watched the forensic footage via military online channels, not on the ‘telly

And the difference is?

I this discourse around not believing the numbers popping up in the last 2 days interesting as it coincides with popular opinion shifting from supporting Israel. So the latest line is that the death toll is wrong.

If anything it's being under reported. Because Israel is bombing aid workers local people are having to dig through the rubble to try to find survivors and the dead and a large number is suspected to still be buried.

What did you think would happen? You bomb highly populated residential areas, high numbers of people die. Sadly I don't think they need to exaggerate the death toll.

Also, we have no way of knowing whether the death toll the Israelis gave for the Hamas massacre 2 weeks ago is accurate but we're all taking that in good faith. You don't trust Hamas, that's fair enough. The IDF has consistently lied about all sorts of things over the years.

So I'm taking the Palestinian death toll in good faith until there's evidence to suggest otherwise and not just conjecture.

Given that Hamas get voted in every time and cheerfully killed innocent Israel civilians I rather doubt Israeli people worry too much that civilians are being killed in Palestine

I’m not even slightly on the side of Hamas but do you want to look up when the last elections were?

Unfortunately, OP, most of the data coming out of Gaza comes from Hamas. It’s not in their interests to accurately report deaths, it is in their interests to inflate them imo. Layers on layers.

How effective is the continued shelling of Israel by Hamas? Perhaps they should stop firing missiles at Israel and hand back the hostages. Just a thought.

shilling for the murderous israeli govt maybe?

Also, we have no way of knowing whether the death toll the Israelis gave for the Hamas massacre 2 weeks ago is accurate but we're all taking that in good faith.

I wouldn’t say that I’m taking it in good faith, for one - just that there were enough external observers summoned after the fact. Journalists, medical and autopsy professionals and so on. In Israel those are independent of the state generally, whereas in Gaza my impression is that it’s Hamas-run everything.

It does appear that they are selecting Hamas targets.

Hamas blame Israel anyway when Hamas misfire its rockets or missiles eg the hospital.

Hamas blame Israel anyway when Hamas misfire its rockets or missiles eg the hospital.

except we don’t actually know what happened to the hospital.

Indeed. Despite lots of here who have gone rather quiet talking of 500 killed on hospital attack. Fortunately the number was picked from the air and deaths were lower on the car park and a misfired hamas rocket or missile from within Gaza. By the time the truth came out the lies had done their work

Lots of experts have given their findings now. Even the PM repeated them about missile coming from within Gaza

Except, we do.

• The hospital was warned multiple times it was being targeted according to the cardinal overseeing it
• The IDF claimed they hit the hospital, then deleted the tweet saying it took out a Hamas firing site
• The video showing a supposed rocket misfire is not correlated with the explosion and is also travelling the wrong way (coming in from the east)
• There are NO other examples of an explosive of such yield existing in the arsenal of Hamas either before or since
• The Doppler shifted sound heard is consistent with a JDAM munition, recorded multiple times in use during other campaigns abroad

And there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We've just yet to find them.

@Sugaristheenemy
Go look, numerous different sources all agree it came from WITHIN GAZA ...surely all of them from a range of different sources aren't all wrong and only Hamas correct?

It appears no matter how many experts or different sources on the hospital there are some determined to believe the story Hamas put out. Cannot stomach that hamas might actually lie?

How about just deductive logic? Does that make one a terrorist sympathiser?

Or do you always go by what the authority figures with a vested interest in not saying they bombed a hospital say?

You might like to go search for updated findings..... or continue to ignore what has been since discovered.

Even Arab news outlets are reporting it wasn't the Israelis!

Lots of experts have given their findings now. Even the PM repeated them about missile coming from within Gaza

Not all the findings support the idea of friendly fire though. You could argue it either way at the moment.

I'm not going by authority figures with vested interest. Independents have released their findings too.

You choose to ignore the Independent findings. I cannot be bothered with people who constantly ignore a range of Independent evidence and stick to the Hamas claim. I won't bother to suggest you go search the latest Independent expert reports yourself because I know you won't bother 🙄🤣