The WIMBEWAI(N)F Club

[Bucky2008]

OK, so how about we start of on a positive....

I bought the test.

I did the test.

BFP .

Job done.

Well I am trying to invoke 'sods law' by spending large amounts of money on an activity I cannot continue should I get a BFP. The EWCM season has commenced so here we go again...

I wonder how GGs thing went, fine I am sure. Six was good odds so hopefully there will be more twins before you know it.

I am supposed to go Wii Bowling tonight but am having second thoughts now. I am rubbish at RL bowling (to which GG can attest)so not sure if I want to humiliate myself doing it virtually LOL.

I'm not posting much at the moment because I am feeling sorry for myself quite alot. I am trying to snap out of it but I am going through a really bad patch re ttc. So in order to stop it leeching into everything else I am trying to avoid the subject somewhat. Difficult when you are pumped full of fertility drugs and six weeks away from discussing IVF with the NHS but there you go. So as usual PnM I am right there with you.

hello all,

Picknmix - mmmm pancakes . I didn't get round to making any this year, but my friend gave me an American blueberry pancake recipe so might try that on Saturday mornig to give DH a treat.

MrsH - if I don't "see" you again on the WIMBEWAI(N)F, have a wonderful time in SA and hope you can enjoy a wee sip or two of cold Sav Blanc in the vineyards on your holiday!

hello ei bucky caitni jolly readyfor2and3 too and everyone else - thank you all for being such fantastic cyber friends.

madoldbird - I am going to read back through the thread to read about your experiences now. I was too scared to look before, because I didn't want to compare my experience to anyone else and get my knickers in a knot with stress, especially because of your fabulous good news after IVF and put pressure on myself.

And not for the me me me me update - the transfer seemed to go well this morning so now its fingers crossed all the way for the 2WW . All six embryos were high grade after two days, so there was nothing to choose between them. Sooooooo, I am currently trying to hatch two of them and the other four little blighters are wallowing in a bath of liquid nitrogen in the deep freeze, in case we ever want/need to have another go.

They kept asking if I was sure I wanted two embryos put back because I am "young" (yesssss, ) and there is a high risk of twins, but DH and I are sure. I am back for the pregnancy test on 10th March [nervous emoticon]. I have already taken up biting my nails again to pass the time. Thanks god I'm not tempted back on the fags

The whoel process was quite funny, really. DH was asked if he wanted to come into the theatre with me when they did the transfer. He went pure white and looked absolutely terrified. He is very sqeamish, so I thought I'd be kind and said "Erm...you don't have to come in, if you don't want to...." and his colour returned immediately and he started breating again . They wheeled me in solo and it was all over in five minutes. While I lay there staring at the ceiling, I realised someone has pinned a giant photograph of a tropical island and blue sea up there, so that the woman with her legs in the air could get a few holiday ideas/a nice view /something to take her mind off the speculum . After it was all over, the embryologist handed me a PHOTO (yes, really!) of my two transferred embryos, taken under the microscope before they were put back . They aren't much to look at (they take after DH) . They were 4 cells each, captured in black and white. I'm not sure they got their best sides... If this cycle of IVF works out, that will be a comedy picture for the family album. "Yes, and here's one of the twins at 2 days old....literally!"

The other funny moment was when they asked us what we wanted to do with the embryos if one of us died - i.e. did we want me to use them. Again, we'd discussed this, so I said "yes" and then DH who was a bit distracted said "yes, I want them for me too" . The embryologist looked at him a bit funny and said "Sir, do you really? You'd have to find a surrogate mother, is that what you want?!" DH went "Er, what... no, NO! sorry" and

Oh god...another thread hijack from GG I will shut up now (for weeks)

Oh GG I welled up reading your post - I am SOO glad it went well. All top grade and also four little frosties is such good news. IVF is truly amazing! And now with the waiting the hard part starts - I hope the time flies by and that you get the good news you deserve on 10 March (smile]. I'm so glad we're meeting up this Sat! I think a blueberry pancake would be a lovely way to treat your DH!

Bucky big to you lady . Again I'm glad we're meeting up on Sat so we can have a proper chat. By the way, I'm an atrocious RL bowler but somehow can handle the Wii bowling so you never know, you may be ace!

Hello all

GG YAY! for 6 high quality embryos. Flipping brilliant! LOL at the tropical island on the ceiling . Better than cracked ceiling tiles and damp patches... It's lovely that you got pictures of your embryos too. I'll be checking on you while I am away and keeping things crossed that you get a BFP.

Bucky what is the activity you are up to??? Sounds intriguing. Sorry you've been having a rough patch.

PnM I have two hypno-CDs. One is more about dealing with your fears re conceiving. I think it is quite good if you have had a loss or some sort of experience (like my DD's hideous birth) that makes you a bit nervous about the whole thing. It's not bad except that I can hear the woman breathing and that annoys me! The second one is more just about relaxing, but you still visualise your healthy reproductive bits. It also comes with a load of daily affirmations that I posted on another thread a while ago which I think could be quite good. Either way, they don't cost too much and it is a good excuse for a lie down I guess!

Hope everyone is ok. Higs to all I haven't mentioned by name.

Interview was ok, but they didn't seem too enthused so I am not holding my breath or anything else. Anyway I am way more interested in my bean than the prospect of finding work (notwithstanding that the mortgage needs paying regardless of whether I am up the stick)...

GG so so pleased everything went so well for you . I did actually do a search on MOBs posts for you the other day but decided not to post my findings as got the feeling you didn't want to draw any comparisons (fwiw her story is on the last thread around mid December).

Bless your DH and his queasiness I reckon my DH would be down the 'business' end given half a chance - he loves anything remotely medical, even blagged his way in to watch a hip replacement once (with the patients permission I hasten to add!!!).

Bucky come join me in the corner - think we may need to put up a 'shelter' of doom and gloom (a temporary version of the Hut) soon. I've just eaten the leftover full jar (there was a BOGOF in Sainsbos) of Nutella which gave a brief moment of happiness if thats any help?

Managed to 'do' Davina the other night, felt v virtous after but the Nutella has well and truely negated that.

Bucky - sorry, I crossed posts with you earlier. LOL at you invoking Sods Law and doing something TTC incompatible. I thought you had given up line dancing, sailing and antique restoration? Are you planning a rock climbing holiday to the Himalayas?. I think you and I are equally good at bowling in that case. I am awful at it!!! I get in a foul mood as the ball clatters down the lane and straight into the gutter. I usually stomp off in the huff .

Big (((higs)))) to you. I am so sorry you are feeling down. The meet up on Saturday that you organised will be fab and I can't wait to see everyone (you will be missed MrsH and Ei and everyone else) I have an attack of the guilts that I have been banging on about IVF etc and not being supportive enough. This is a WIMBEWAIF thread about how shit it is TTC.

picknmix - so funny that you ate a whole jar of Nutella. I love that stuff, but didn't have any so I have just demolished a huge Soreen Malt Loaf and butter (YUM!!) My DH is useless at anything vaguely blood and guts-y. I think he retains a little squeamishness about bodies and bodily functions generally from his Catholic school days with nuns

MrsH - hope you hear soon about the job interview. I know you can't say where it was on here, but have everything crossed for you

hello to everyone else.

Other news (and I think DH has been keeping this from me) is that DH is off to work in Germany for the next 3 months, Monday to Friday, starting next week . Old timers might remember that we did that commute before for six months during 2007 when we started TTC. Think that I might even miss him

GG that was an eggstra-fantastic result yesterday - 6 high grade embryos is brilliant . I am willing those 2 little balls of cells to (both!) implant. Take it easy. Are you going away at all? LOL at your DH not managing to go in for ET!! How's he going to cope with labour??? Roll on 10th March - have you got to go to the clinic, or can you do the test at home? I am so to hear your DH is going to be away a lot over the next 3 months, especially when you will be testing.

MrsH I have probably missed you, but i hope you and your DD (and little bean ) have a fantastic holiday!

Bucky Come on, spill, what is this activity?? Pole dancing? Sky diving? Training for the world unpasturised cheese-eating finals?? Sorry to hear you are feeling down - look after yourself.

PnM LOL at your nutella antics! I think maybe you should give the same amount to your DH - it will give him the energy for your "every other day" plan this cycle!!!

Caitni Sorry to hear you are back at the beginning of another cycle. Is it this cycle you are having all your blood tests?

Hello to EI (how are you and DH?) RFN2&3 JB (lovely to hear from you!!) and everyone else.

Lovely to be meeting you all on Facebook! You all seem so glamorous though!! So sorry i can't make the meet-up, but do have a drink (or 3) for me

madoldbird - PMSL at the world unpasturaised cheese eating competition . I have just laughed tea all over my keyboard . If the IVF doesn't work out for me, maybe we could put together a WIMBEWAIF team, because that sound exactly like my sort of competition! It's great to be in facebook contact with everyone and I absolutely love you photos of your two little ones!!!! Are you getting a big bump yet?

hello to everyone else,

GGx

at the world unpasturised cheese eating competition. I would be a sure thing for a medal!

Just a quickie before I run to the airport to say I hope you all have a great time at the meet-up. I'm looking forward to catching up on the gossip when I get back.

xxx

Ha ha...you lot crack me up. Cheese eating contest??? . No not nearly vain enough for me...LOL. No I have embarked upon a course of laser hair removal (bikini line) which is scarily expensive and cannot be continued if you are with child for fear of frying the little bean. If I wasn't so poor now I would add a bit of botox to the mix but I have to eat crumbs off DPs plate for the rest of the month as I am now a pauper. A pauper with very neat pubic hair, but a pauper all the same. .

I should be able to scrimp together enough to drink all three of those glasses of wine for MOB tomorrow though. It is obviously being left to me to consume the group's alcohol now as most of you are knocked up . I will let PnM and Caitni have a sip if they are nice to me .

Well I'm not doing too bad with the BDing this month. Having a totally hot spinning instructor is helping me immensely . (Although I should clarify i am not actually shagging the totally hot gym instructor of course!! ) Hmm, now there's an idea....just kiddding just kidding.

Should be working. I have been rubbish today, it has taken me all day to do one thing....and now I just want to go home!

Oh, I've missed you but happy hols MrsH

Have a fab time MrsH ! Am envious of the laser treatment Bucky, I may have to save some pennies as getting a bikini wax is possibly one of my 'one of lifes most painful but most necessary' hated experiences. Even worse my 'lady who does' insists on talking to me (a la the nurses at the hospital whilst doing an internal) so I end up doing a ridiculous rendition of half singing/half screaming in reply at her. Am with you on the work front. Dh and I have taken a day off together today. Haven't done anything of any importance with it which was mostly the point. Just on way to Ikea (life is just one big party for us) but don't fancy my chances at making it all the way round as keep going hot/cold and dizzy [PnM ponders the possibility of pregnancy symptom then remembers this is Totally Unrealistic Idea as only on cd15 or something]. Please excuse the bad skin tomorrow girls, not sure whats going on. Excuse is that I started a new skincare regime (due to inexplicable rash on torso determining swap onto totally organic/lentil weaving cosmetics) so its just 'settling down'. Anyway, Dh just started singing (obligatory on long journeys) and its do or die in this relationship so I need to join in before my eardrums suffer irreversible damage

That'll teach me not to preview first - wierd mobile thing not giving me any paragraph spaces, apologies!

hi ladies
just a quickie at this god awful time of day
just to say wow at GGs half dozen fertilized egg haul!! and yay for a speedy and relatively pain free transfer!! you are technically one of the much revered preggos now!!
hope everyone else is ok
MOB yay for your two little boys rolf harris is singing his song just for you now
i have my subfertility referral appointment on thursday and at CD11 they wont be able to do much in the way of tests but i should be cracking an egg around then so they may be able to see that im having a trans-abdominal scan before seeing the consultant so well see!
things are getting slowly better and more bearablein our house and around the family and we are focussing on that and now we know things will get better in time then DH is starting to cope alot better as am i
hope you all are ok and i am very that i cant make the meet up!
love and hugs
xx ei xx

It was great to see everyone on Saturday .

I am just logging on to have a moan today. I am obviously ovulating because I am in agony!!! I seem to recall this the first month, but it hurts...like more than cramps! Arrrggghhhh.

Hope everyone else it ok today. x

Bucky - fantastic lunch and thank you for organising everyone else. It was great to see everyone again. Sorry you are in OV pain! Is the Clomid makign things doubly bad? Hope you had a nice weekend!

I am logging on for a bit of a rant. In fact i am in floods of tears and I am sooo upset and angry. I think I mentioned that I had had a strange text from a friend alluding to "tough times you are going through" and being supportive. She was definitely talkign about IVF. I simply couldn't work out how she could possibly know because I hadn't told her or ANYONE else, other than you lovely ladies and one very old friend who lives in Inverness and knows no one else! DH only told hi sboss because he had to. It is an absolutely totally private thing for me.

Anyway, I sent an email to her saying I appreciated her text, but I was absolutely fine, which i think i am and chatted away about what else we have been up to, her little one, her returnign to work. She emailed straight back to say that she was sorry if she had got the wrong end of the stick but:

"After [DH] told [her husband] and [another friend's husband] at the wedding in December that you were having trouble conceiving and were starting IVF in February, we were thinking of you and just wanted you to know that we are all [insert list of 15 friends] are thinking of you....."

How COULD DH do that to me and us??!! We AGRREED it was absolutely private. Not even my mum or sisters know!

He was very drunk at this wedding due to lavish amounts of champagne and glasses being constantly topped up, but what he said is inexcusable. He wasn't even confiding in anyone - he doesn't bl**dy know them that well! he was just drunkenly spouting off about our conception problems in public. I am so upset sitting here I have tried to call him but he is in meetings all day.

sorry, forgot to say a big hello to everyone else who was at the lunch and also to say to ei and MOB that we missed you both.

How was the rugby caitni?

Oh GG that's just terrible - you're perfectly right to be furious . That text message was just too fishy, bloody interfering "friend" . This is the last thing you need right now, so please rant away (and big higs to you too). I obviously don't know your DH, but it sounds like it was a drunken moment of weakness (especially as he wasn't drinking for ages last year was he? Bloody champagne is like rocket fuel if your tolerance is lower than normal). I can't imagine he'd do this knowingly, as he'd know it's a betrayal of your decision...

Bucky sorry to hear about the ov pains, sounds like time to neck a couple of painkillers (though at least you know the clomid's working!).

I really enjoyed the meet-up - well done to Bucky for organising it! We did indeed miss those not present, but hopefully it won't be too long before we all meet up again! I went on to be (reasonably) sensible watching Ireland (barely) beat England at the rugby, so wasn't even hungover yesterday. rather tragically, that's an achievement for me! I've got my first proper needles session with my new acupuncturist tonight, quite looking forward to it

Good luck at your accupuncturist! Hope you feel lovely and relaxed afterwards

Back from my acupuncture and it was totally different from the traditional chinese medicine type Mr Needles does. A detox session involving needles in the back, lots of burning moxha, a different type of needles in the wrists...it felt much more like a treatment...apparently my pulses are very good

Anyway, off to watch this "grow your own drugs" show!

Hope you are feeling a little happier today GG. I know what you must feel like, I had a similar event last year when I found out that DP had a secret that I was unaware of. Not the same thing but the feeling on being let down was much the same.

It was probably a one off and the fact he didn't tell you would suggest either he a) didn't think anything of it or b) he did and knew he shouldn't have done it . Anyway, I just wanted to say I think you were well within your rights to be so upset but he is only human and we all make mistakes. (higs).

My ov pains have gone. I am a little confused by my cycle this month. OK prepare for TMI. On day 12 & 13 I had EWCM so we BD'd on 10, 12 and 14...we supposed to do it again yesterday, but being the total lush I have become I went out after work and rolled in after midnight when DP was asleep . That said the CM had already dried up so I don't know if that was ovulation yesterday . Do you ov whilst you have EWCM or after it?

Bucky - I think your EWCM finishes just before you ovulate (please someone correct me if I am wrong ), so I'd say that you caught the egg . And as for being a lush, you have to have a life too and if that involves impromptu drinks mid-week for fun, I'd say go for it! In fact i am dead jealous!

caitni - love the sound of the holistic approach an dyour treatment last night. I know accupuncture is supposed to work very well for TTC/IVF etc, but I liked doing it for the pampering and relaxation it gave me. I've never had the moxha herbs.

Had a tense evening with DH last night, because I was feeling too worn out to fight, but he seems very ashamed and claims he doesn't remember telling anyone anything about us TTC and going for IVF. He seemed as shocked as I was, in a way, and very embarrassed because he didn't want to tell anyone, especially as it was ICSI, so male factor infertility and he doesn't know the husband of my friends very well. I believe him because he does have memory lapses when he drinks

I certainly don't feel PG or any different, so I am now wondering whether the ICSI has worked and the little blighters implanted . I swing between grin resignation that it was all for nothing and panicking like mad about having twins or even triplets (apparently the eggs they put back are six times more likely to divide spontaneously into identical twins than normal . I found that out on a website called something like oneisenough.com. I MUST stop scaring myself!)

Next Tuesday is Test Day unless my resolve to stay away from the First Response withers and dies before then

hello to MOB, picknmix and MrsH if you are looking in.

But yesterday was CD16 GG , not sure if I did catch the egg!

Like I said in my email, lots of people don't get symptoms for ages so don't think that means it didn't work. You won't know until you test and I feel v. positive about it for you. Re twins....hmm, guess all you can do is wait and see, but I'm sure it won't be more than 2! That is quite rare, or at least you really don't hear about it often. Stop Googling (says the Queen of Googling).

I am a bit annoyed that I didn't finish off my programme of BDing this month....I was really going to make an extra effort and I have b*ggered it up again....arrrrgh. What must you all think of me.

but the swimmers can front crawl up there for a day or two after BD-ing. i think you are doing brilliantly with days 10, 12 and 14!

Yes, I must stop googling and obsessing! That website was designed to put the frightners on you and dissuading IVF-ers from getting anything other than single embyro transfers, all in the name of money, I think.

Afternoon all,

GG As I read your earlier post I thought I bet Mr GG doesn't remember telling people . My DH has a very similar problem after a few drinks. Poor you. It must be really hard not to be sharing this experience with anyone (except us ). I bet your DH feels dreadful. Now step away from google for that is where madness lies. It is going to take nerves of steel not to give in to the first response! Good luck. I'll be biting my nails in anticipation of your news!

Bucky TCOYF says that you should BD when you have EWCM (even if that is a few days before you ov) as that is what sustains the sperm on their travels and while they are waiting for the egg to appear. So even if you ov a few days after the EWCM (when things have dried up) there should still be some spermies hanging around. That is better than bd'ing when you ov but without EWCM. I didn't know that before I read the book. Sounds like you've bd'ed at just the right time.

caitni That treatment sounds lovely, very relaxing indeed.

Hello to everyone!

DD aka the Jollycub is fine. Someone at a post natal group yesterday said she had my cheeks which is basically telling me I have a fat round face!