Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

[moly39x]

Been doing some research on soy isoflavones & I didn't know what people's opinions are?

I have a 35 day cycle, ovulate between CD17-21 - currently 7th month in of TTC after 1 early loss at 5 week in October.

Do people have any experience with taking them? I read the following on an old thread here about with CD to take them..

My concerns are; I have little/none EWCM (have conceive plus lube) but I get positive OPK every month (temping just stressed me out which I decided would do more harm?!) and I'm sure soy iso is to help ovulate? But now I've read the below, it looks as though it can help the egg. I'm cautious about messing up my cycle so was just looking to hear other people's experience.

Here's the info I've read here (have lots more saved in my notes if people want to see about the dose etc if interest) :)

Thank you x

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

@waves1985 ahh I see, good that they're sending to you see the specialist. From what I know of fsh it is the less reliable version of amh (ovarian reserve test) but as long as you have some eggs left, which you obviously do, then natural pregnancy can happen just fine. It only really effects ivf unless you have 0 the progesterone and oestrogen could be all over the place due to cp though so hopefully they can sort that for you!

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 my dogs can't go out when it's too hot as one is a big fluffy husky and the other is a little mix breed but as her coat is mostly black she gets too hot as well! We have to walk them when it's cooler in early evening.

Welcome @waves1985 👋🏼 I'm sorry to hear about your losses. It's great that you're having all of this looked into and hopefully you'll have more info in your next appointment.

Sounds like you've been trying for a similar amount of time to me, I stopped my pill end of July. Are you considering trying soy / other things we've mentioned? Also agree with @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 about acupuncture, I've been loving mine and feel like it's been helping me mentally and with my current cycle.

@Marvellouslymadmum that made me chuckle, you've been so active this month!! And agree with the variety, I personally love some of the meat substitutes!

@waves1985 i second what @A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 said, completely normal for cycle to be up and down after chemical/mc. I didn’t try accapuncture but did try high strength vitamins (not just a multi vit but high strength individual ones C, D, E etc. and moderate excercise plus cut out all added sugar. The body definitely responds to those little changes you make. Good luck for this cycle hope you get your BFP.

I just did the FRER couldn’t control my urges lol. The line is matching the control now. I hope that’s good? I’m just terrified. 9,10,12,14 dpo xx

@Slk3558 your lines look great!! It's hard not to be scared after losses, try to ease into this pregnancy. It's very much real at this point 🤗 honestly I dream of seeing that one day, mine never got to this point of dark. You got this!! 💕

@Slk3558 yes that lines good!!! Woop 🙌

Thank both for the reassurance 🙏

@choccrumpet I know it will happen for you. You’re so close! X

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 Ah that's so good to hear! I think I've had 5-6 sessions of acupuncture and I've just started Chinese herbs as well as my acupuncture lady said that would accelerate things. They taste absolutely DISGUSTING.

@Marvellouslymadmum definitely, and they said still perfectly capable of conceiving, it might just take a little longer.

@choccrumpet so good to hear acupuncture has helped you! I really look forward to it every week. Definitely considering soy for my next cycle, and a friend of mine inositol which is meant to also be something like clomid, so just looking into both things to see what might be best for me!

@Slk3558 also added lots of supplements in, plus grapefruit juice, brazil nuts etc etc. Always so useful to hear what other people are taking. I'm about 1.5 months in from all the changes I've made and this cycle I've at least tried (even if not successfully) to ovulate on day 15 again which is so encouraging! Look at your amazing positive lines!! You must be feeling all over the place, which is so so understandable!

@waves1985 my acupuncturist recommended nettle tea to help encourage blood flow to uterus and has other health benefits I can't remember about in case you want to try something less disgusting. I like herbal teas so find it okay. Pregnacare vitamins have some inositol in it, assuming not as much if you're looking at taking it separately.

@waves1985 Zita West recommends inositol and sells it, she has some articles on it on her website. The It Starts With the Egg recommended inositol also. It was something I was thinking of trying next.

@choccrumpet castor oil packs were recommended for follicular phase only also for blood flow, I found them super relaxing. Nettle year sounds good!
On my acupuncture today, she was using different very painful points to reduce blood flow or redirect it

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 ooh interesting I haven't tried them. Also interesting that she was doing that, was that to help with the spotting? Did she say anything else to you? How did you find the session?

@choccrumpet I'm not sure, she said she sees pregnant women every week in the 1st trimester to help make it successful, and she uses different points. I was going to skip next week as works getting busy, but she said it's really not advisable 🤷‍♀️

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 oh wow, it almost sounds like she's trying to make you feel guilty, I'd feel like I couldn't skip next weeks one after hearing her say that.. that's so strange. Also every week in 1st trimester is a lot, that's a lot of money and time. Surely that should be up to you whether you're able to commit or not. Maybe I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here..

@choccrumpet I know I'm now feeling I have to go every week! I spoke to my partner and he said it's only six more sessions, so I guess it's not that bad when put like that, but it def does add up. Plus the time out of your work day etc

@choccrumpet I've got to be able to laugh at this stage I'm in cycle approx 41 of ttc and cd33 with no ovulation though possibly today!

@Slk3558 that's a great line! So pleased for you

@waves1985 all good news then, let's hope they can help sort your hormones out!

Hi guys!! I have skimmed through the post, hope you don't mind me commenting! I did soy some years ago for 3 months and nothing. Wondering if to try different brand. Is there a brand better used or can anyone recommend? Thanks lovely's xxx

@Marvellouslymadmum fingers crossed for you today!!

Hi @charlsains ! I don't think there's a recommended brand, to be honest I got one that would come before the start of my cycle, it's by Natures Aid. I didn't mind which one it was as long as it was simple to take and I didn't have to take lots of them to make up the dosage. Are you thinking of trying it again?

I tested yesterday evening and there wasn't really anything there again. Here is this mornings, 9DPO 😭

@choccrumpet I think this is it!!!! Second day of peak opk and a bit of a temp rise to 36.51 🤞🏻🤞🏻 dtd last night and will do it again today for good measure. I see a little line!! On the frer 🤞🏻 everything crossed for you! This seems to be a lucky thread at the moment!

@charlsains I just bought mine off of Amazon but haven't worked for me so far though I only took them two months then stopped before I found out you're supposed to try 3 months for them to work properly 🙄

@Marvellouslymadmum omg im crossing everything for you!!! 🤞🏼🤞🏼 I know this thread has definitely turned around which is lovely!!

@choccrumpet I am rubbish at lines but I see a line on that frer and it has a pink tinge on my screen!! Yay looks promising, retest tomorrow morning and show it to us! X

@Marvellouslymadmum yay hopefully finally the peak! Fingers crossed for another high temp tomorrow 🤞

@choccrumpet Definitely a line!! Looked exactly like mine at 9DPO. How do you feel!?

@Marvellouslymadmum fingers crossed
You will ov today or tomorrow!! Then you can hopefully relax for a bit x

It does seem to be a lucky thread ! Unbelievable.

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 good luck for your scan today hope you get good news x

@choccrumpet what are the sensitivities of those hcg strips, quite good they picked up the hcg this early

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 need to order more frers now 🤣 there's definitely lines on them all and they're all pink IRL. I'm surprised there was nothing yesterday and today they're quite obviously there. Good luck with your scan today, let us know how it goes xx

@Slk3558 thanks I'm feeling really nauseous this morning, looking at my computer screens is making me a bit lightheaded / more nauseous. Mentally I am hesitant and obviously want to see a line progress, my period is due on Sunday so that'll be a big day to pass, I have rarely gone past my period due day so it's a bit scary for me, especially when the lines are quite clearly there now. Had my first vaccine yesterday and am feeling fine apart from a sore arm so again am hoping there's no fever or nothing else from that. I'm glad I got it done though, whatever happens happens.

The top strip is one step, should be 10miu but it's showing the least obvious line, next one is wondfo 10miu, the last one is Laboquick, never used them before, decided to try out but unsure what the sensitivity is, some say 10 others 20miu so really unsure. It looks more like 10 as it almost matches the wondfo