Soy Isoflavones..yay or nay?

[moly39x]

Been doing some research on soy isoflavones & I didn't know what people's opinions are?

I have a 35 day cycle, ovulate between CD17-21 - currently 7th month in of TTC after 1 early loss at 5 week in October.

Do people have any experience with taking them? I read the following on an old thread here about with CD to take them..

My concerns are; I have little/none EWCM (have conceive plus lube) but I get positive OPK every month (temping just stressed me out which I decided would do more harm?!) and I'm sure soy iso is to help ovulate? But now I've read the below, it looks as though it can help the egg. I'm cautious about messing up my cycle so was just looking to hear other people's experience.

Here's the info I've read here (have lots more saved in my notes if people want to see about the dose etc if interest) :)

Thank you x

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 out of curiosity, how are you using your OPKs? Are you holding your pee for 3+ hours and not drinking much fluids or using fmu or something else?

@choccrumpet the EWCM sounds good! I need to wait for temp to confirm I def ovulate before counting it as a yay. But feeling more positive.

With the flashing smiley ones I did 1st morning urine. I've got the bog standard Clearblue tester this time, and so just holding for three hours.

I've ordered some of the Amazon ones to try next month.
We aren't TTC this month due to predicted Xmas day DD, and I would prefer baby not to have to share a birthday with Xmas.
I don't get much EWCM (if any), nor a strong OPK reading, but my temps do increase; so I am really hoping they will help.

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 oh that's amazing it's hopefully bringing it forwards! I hope mine does that next month, even if we don't get a BFP that will still be helpful! I'm so excited to see how you get on with the SI this month 🤞🏻🙊

@choccrumpet oh I hope you soon get the positive opk so you can stop having to worry, I stressed so much one month because I didn't get it until CD21 but I do have longer cycles and matched up, I know you said you have 28 day cycles! 🤯

Without sounding dense, I'm so confused by the dosage of these vitamins 😭 can anyone work out how many g are in one? If I work it out based on the 250mg back, that's 0.25g? I read 3.1g is good for fertility (although taking for energy, I'm keen for any help I can get with these) so am I right in thinking if need rather a few tablets? As the pack says 1 a day? But then 10:1 makes it higher doesn't it? Gosh I've confused myself so much today I've bought powder to have in a smoothie 🤯

Then I've just seen it says equivalent to 2,500mg which is 2.5G? God I can't cope 😂 maybe I've just answered my own question 😅

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 it's still great news and I'm sure you'll see the change in your temp too 🤗

@pinkpirlie we didn't really have a conversation around whether to try now or not because of December due date but I'm a Christmas Day baby and would prefer not to have another birthday so close to it but if it happens it happens and we'd be over the moon 🤗😅

@moly39x there's a chance my period due date will get pushed back if I'm ovulating later so my luteal phase may stay the same but period due later so longer cycle. And sorry I can't help figuring out the supplement, it sounds very confusing!

@moly39x gosh confusing! I would take that as 2.5 g. Will you use just one pill, or try to cut one into tiny bits to top it up?

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 I think I'll just take the one pill, seen as it was for energy but I need to do the research on how much my partner can take as he's happy to! Also after @choccrumpet pointed out, if we were lucky it would be a December baby which my partner doesn't like the thought of possibly sharing the date with other important dates so, if it happens then forever grateful but if it doesn't this cycle, I won't be as upset as I have other months 🤷🏼‍♀️ next month though.. I'll be on the soya, the folic, vit D, maca root & a glass of pomegranate juice every day - a right cocktail of drugs 🤣

Tbh at this point I'd be really happy with December! Hadn't actually crossed my mind.

I'll be right there with you! We'll never be so healthy :)

@choccrumpet can I ask your advice (or anyone else who temps)?

I had a positive opk yesterday, a positive opk today, however from my temps I had a rise this morning above my coverline (went from 36.37 to 36.59). I know I need 3 days to confirm, but does this mean my opks were wrong and I actually ovulated yesterday or the day before?

In which case, bugger, because I didn't have enough sex in the run up. Because my ovulation was so much earlier, and my period was quite long

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 to be honest I never got to the point of understanding that part! I believe the way it works is in hindsight, so you'll only know you've ovulated once it happened. I think the dip is when you ovulate but don't take my word for it. So if the lowest temp was yesterday then ovulation happened then according to what I know? (Again not sure im correct) so today you are 1dpo. But it's not too late either, if you can continue to bd today and tomorrow that should help too - SMEP

Thanks choc, I think it must have been yesterday then. OPK's are meant to give you pre-notice !! God confusing 🤣 So I did the day before yesterday, yesterday twice and today. I'll aim for tomorrow also. Lesson there is if you take soy, start opk testing and having sex much earlier than when the opk instructions say to 🙈

Its ironic if I have successfully moved my ovulation forward but then completely missed it as a result

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 that would be ironic but it sounds like you've covered yourself well anyways!

But I'd much rather that than bding for over a week like we have every 2-3 days and increasing during my ewcm and still not getting a positive 🤦🏼‍♀️ my clearblue looked so close to a positive this morning so am going to test again today although my premom strip wasn't anywhere near to a positive, so strange!

@choccrumpet that's the flashing smiley ones? I think that you can't read the lines inside for those (could be wrong) because its a combo of estrogen and LH. Is it still a flashing smiley?

@A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 yes the flashing smiley ones and yes this one was still flashing. Hmm okay, comparing them to normal strips the line colours are fairly similar normally. I'll keep waiting for my static smiley anyways 🤞🏼🤦🏼‍♀️

I've just had a name change from moly39, in not some random person 🙊😂

How are you two getting on? Have you both had confirmation of any ovulation yet? 🤞🏻

@hopingforababyh I got my peak this morning 😭 CD19. I've got a ridiculous amount of ewcm, the most I ever remember having so hoping this is all positive. Not temping so taking this as my positive! Look forward to trying soy iso next month to bring my ovulation forward as this is quite late. I assume my period will be late now too so it'll be a waiting guessing game as to when that is.

How are you?

@choccrumpet ah yay! I'm so glad for you!! Let the two week wait commence.. praying you get your BFP!

I'm good thank you, CD12 and my fertile week is due to start tomorrow! Still not done a single ovulation stick this month so will do DTD regular! I also made a TTC Instagram this morning, going to try & document it all there so I can look back on previous cycles! I know how helpful mumnets has been so hoping Instagram is the same!

Thank you @hopingforababyh it's a relief to see my peak but who knows how the rest of the month will pan out.

I haven't enjoyed OPKing, it adds too much unnecessary pressure, don't do it unless you have to! Enjoy it without that pressure! That's a nice idea. I keep thinking about speaking out about our struggles between family and friends because I think it's something that should be spoken about more openly to normalise it but it is hard to do.

Yay that's great choc! I'm ovulating today according to Flo, having put in my temps and ovulation stick info

@choccrumpet Hopefully it's less stressful for you 🤩 maybe you've just had a longer cycle this month? This time last year, we had just bought our house, partner had been furloughed the week before we completed and lockdown - I ended up having a 70 day cycle and it was that, that made us decide to try sooner!

Definitely, I speak to both of my sisters about it as they're aware we are trying but then one got caught 1st month and then the second was within 6 months for her first and within 3 months for her first with healthy pregnancies! There's a running joke I have crappy luck so we often joke about how I've had the hard time of this TTC journey!

Hi all, after reading lots and lots of info I've taken soy isoflavons this month, it's 3 years ttc for us basic tests have all come back ok but I may not always ovulate only sometimes and can be irregular so I'm trying anything now! I took them cd2-6 and got my peak today cd12 so slightly earlier than normal, had strange sensations in my ovary area yesterday and today on both sides so somethings deffo going on! I bought mine off Amazon, they're 100mg ones and fast delivery and I took 200mg a day. If any of you would like any info on any of the other supplements and extra things to do I am happy to share - if none of these things work for us we will be paying for ivf so all worth a try!

@Marvellouslymadmum eek that sounds promising with the feelings and also the earlier ovulation! Can't wait to see how you get on and I have everything crossed you also get your BFP this cycle 🤞🏻

I'll start taking the Soya ISO..I've got the ones from the link below, going to take CD 3-7 next month if we don't get a BFP with the maca root! Do you know if you can take both Maca Root and the soya together?

@hopingforababyh thank you, I'm hopeful but not overly optimistic as it's been so long and I've learned not to be lol if it doesn't work this time I'll prob try different days next month and I've no idea if you're supposed to take both to be honest I've noticed actually checked but I've taken both lol I've got to say apart from the weird ovary sensations I've had no other side effects