'TTC after a miscarriage - heres to bouncing 2007 babies'

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Well here is the new thread
Here is wishing everyone all the luck in the world and i hope everyone's stay is short (meant in the nicest possible way!)

Lots of sticky baby dust to everyone
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Hi all
Haven't been on for ages and see loads has been happening.

SkyTV - OH WOW! CONGRATULATIONS - that was quick!! Wishing you lots of stickiness.

T4T - I'm SO SO delighted the scan showed a healthy little beanie and really hope you can start to feel a bit more relaxed and to enjoy your pregnancy properly now.
Can I ask you a question? Feel free to tell me where to go if being too nosy/personal, but did you say you were still on medication for depression or have you stopped? I've been given so much conflicting advice about whether it's ok to take anti-ds and ttc. I'm at the stage now where I think I may have to go back on pills (I've started taking St John's wort in the meantime) and I'm wondering whether maybe I should give myself a year off ttc to give myself a clear run at getting better. I was on them for 6 months before and doing really well, but stopped them when I found out I was pregnant...not sure whether I would have crashed again anyway or if it was the mc combined with having our puppy put down. I don't really know which way to go with it as I'm 37 and haven't started my family yet so worrying about age, but on the other hand I know I need to be as well as possible to look after a baby.
Horrible dilemma - feeling really trapped between a rock and a hard place. Any thoughts anyone???

Oinker - I was wondering whether it wd be possible/worthwhile for you to get someone to draw up a gentle exercise plan to suit your needs and circumstances. I'm not suggesting some sort of awful gym regime (can't imagine anything worse), but it might just be worth a one-off consultation with a trainer to give you a programme that would fit in with your busy life and I know I always feel much more motivated if someone has told me to do something. Do you absolutely HAVE to lose the FULL two stone? It seems like an awful lot of pressure to put yourself under on top of everything else. ((((hugs)))) to you.

Babyfettle & ruthlousie - my cycles are shorter since my mc too and, oddly, more regular. About 25 days, with ov around CD13/14. I think you're right Ruthlouise not to want any medical intervention, but it might be reassuring if you could find someone to talk to about the clots - other than cack-handed gp - if you're worried. Wonder if the Miscarriage Assoc could help with info??

Blimey, sorry, have banged on a bit. Should post more often rather than saving up epic!
Love to everyone.
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Little Polly - can't give you any advise, but someone here will. Hope you feel better soon x

Hi everyone,
Congratulations to SkyTV, that is great, best wishes to you.

I went to the fertility clinic this week. A bit of a shock there as we discovered DH had a low sperm count, which was totally unexpected, given that he has had two children, and has made me pregnant twice in the last 18 months. It was recommended that he have a repeat in a couple of weeks. He was rather upset about this all, understandably. I have put him on vitamins and hope for the best. Unfortunately he is a heavy smoker and is struggling with the idea of giving this up, gets very touchy about this which (in part) led to rather a row. Both of us are rather emotional and upset, I suppose.

I have to have a test to look at follicular reserve and then a repeat hysteroscopy (which pleases me not at all as I did not much enjoy the last one). We may then go for IUI or possible IVF, depending on all the results.

Lots to do and think about.

Best wishes to all

Nicola, sorry it was bad news. I believe Zinc is the way to go for low sperm count. Brazil nuts are a good source, or you can get zinc supplements from Holland and Barrett.
Good luck with the smoking thing - also a sore point between me and my DH.

Littlepolly,

I would discuss this with your doctor - St John's wort is really as strong as drugs such as prozac, so you really shouldn't think that it is safe just because it is a herb. I would doubt that it has been studied in pg women, as not many pharmaceutical drugs are. Clinical trials have shown that it is as effective as prozac and interacts with other drugs in the same way as other drug antidepressants - sorry I'm a pharmacologist and work for a pharmaceutical company for my sins!

However, I was on antidepressants when TTC both times, as the failure to conceive was contributing to my depression, so between my GP and I we decided to keep going with treatment while TTC. With DD, I stopped the day before my BFP, as I had a feeling I might be pg, with the mc, I actually stopped a week before I even had any inkling I might be pg as I was on holiday and had forgotten my tablets.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that having been there plenty of times, don't underestimate the need to use drugs for your depression, as my GP said who 1st put me on prozac, if I had asthma or diabetes, I would need to take treatment everyday and depression is no different [think this helped DH deal with it all, as he felt it was something he could do to make me better - didn't seem to understand it all at first!]

In both pg, I actually found my depression lifted while I was pg. It was good year after DD was born that I went back on them again and although I'm having very low patches at the moment, I don't quite feel that I'm ready to restart treatment at the moment - I think my low moods are due in part to my upcoming due date and the fact that DH is away in Iraq [it's our wedding anniversary today and I spent the morning, shouting at a well known dealership, why our only just 3 year old car, was needing a new gear box and why one of the doors wouldn't open - looking at a huge bill, thinking why do these things always happen when DH is away?!]

Anyway, sorry, I hope I don't sound like I'm lecturing - please take this as my friendly opinion and experience and above all take care of yourself - you've had an awful past few months . Big {{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}

Hello everyone else - not ignoring you, but I have to dash and put DD to bed!

Hope you are all well.

Nicola, so sorry to hear about DH's sperm - if it's any consolation, DH and I were told he had sluggish sperm and 50% swim in the wrong direction and we've conceived DD and the mc since then! But he doesn't smoke, but he does drink a bit much - hoping not at the moment, while he is working so hard. Good luck in trying to persuade him to give up - that's a really difficult one.

I'm sorry you have to go through more uncomfortable tests - sound horrible.

Anyway, hugs to all, I can hear DD running around upstairs so must go. Take care

Hi babyfettle

Thanks so much for your reply. You don't sound like you are lecturing at all. I was on prozac before and the psychiatrist I was seeing assured me it was safe to take during pg (her main work in the NHS is with pregnant women suffering with depression and other mental health problems) and I felt fine when I came off it about 4 weeks into the pregnancy. I kind of assumed I cd just go back onto prozac this time, but had to speak to a different doctor as she was away and he said it certainly shouldn't be taken in early pregnancy and that I should hold off in view of my age and wanting to conceive and wait for a course of CBT that would be "just as effective". Thing is, in the meantime I feel I'm just not coping, hence the St J's wort. And I'm just really really confused about what to believe. We've got a lovely new puppy, but I'm not coping with him or enjoying him and constantly worrying he is going to turn out like the one we had to have put to sleep.
I just want to be ok - as much for my lovely lovely DH who is so endlessly patiently supportive and really deserves better than a useless wife who ends up in floods of tears over a naughty puppy and who can't even manage to look after the house which is like one giant rubbish tip. I think the most terrible things sometimes like it's probably a good thing that I lost the baby because I wouldn't have been able to cope anyway. As you can see, I'm feeling very sorry for myself at the moment. This really isn't me at all. Sorry if I'm bringing everyone else down - i probably ought to go and post on the depression threads instead, but I kind of feel like I know you guys here now.

I'm so sorry you are feeling down babyfettle - what a crap thing not having your DH there on your wedding anniversary. ((((hugs))))) to you too. When is your due date? Hope your DH is back home again soon.

Thanks again and sorry for the rant.
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Littlepolly - I'm so sorry to hear how you're feeling. It doesn't help that the people that can help you differ so much in their opinions. As to the CBT thing - is there not a really long waiting list for that? When my dp was depressed it seemed impossibly long to me - like a year or something.
Have you done much research on the web for yourself about the effects of different anti-depressants on pregnancy?

Nicola - not a nice surprise for you. It all sounds very stressful. Nuts are good..brazil nuts, walnuts, sunflower seeds, pine nuts. Tescos do a mixed bag - toast them and put them in a salad, it's delicious. Also, toast some almonds and have them with a glass of wine. Also delicious. Then have strawberries for pudding. It's all good for both of you.
My dp smokes a lot too. I hate it and he knows it, but it caused a major, major row about 4 years ago when he started again after giving up, so I have backed off now and am taking the drip drip drip approach - softly, softly kind of thing. I have no advice on how to deal with that though, only sympathy, because I am in the same situation.

Everyone sounds pretty down at the moment. So hugs to you all.

Hi again, Littlepolly - I'm not sure what CBT is, but if as Rubles says there is a long waiting list, I would try and discuss the situation further with another more sympathetic GP if possible. I'm certainly not an expert in this area, but I don't think it is obviously the best thing in the world to take ads during pg, but sometimes the benefits outweigh the risks. And I think from your last post, you are displaying all those awful signs of clinical depression, as I recognise them from my own feelings in the past. Don't ever think you wouldn't cope with a baby - you are currently suffering from depression and your whole outlook on life is going to be completely distorted. Of course you could cope and I'm sure you will make a great mother, just now you've had an awful lot to deal with in a very short space of time. Your DH sounds great (mine certainly put up with a lot before I started treatment), but he won't be able to lift you out of depression, as it is a disease like anything else. Your brain is lacking a chemical that needs to be put back.

Yes, your doctor is right in thinking that in order to give your child the best possible start in life, you shouldn't really take anything while you're TTC. I even hated taking paracetamol while I was pg, but I knew that I certainly couldn't cope while TTC, so I stuck with the treatment. I don't know how easy it is for you to conceive - I have had great difficulties in the past, so I really didn't even know if I was going to conceive, therefore, I couldn't struggle on without the treatment and decided to take any risks, with the knowledge that I would just stop when I found out I was pg. But this unfortunately is a decision that only you and DH can make.

Go and give DH and your puppy a very big hug and please make an appointment to speak to someone after the Bank Holiday

I'm ok really - DH is supposed to be back for a week's R&R in mid-Sept and then back full-time early november. I'm going home to see my Mum this weekend with DD, which will be lovely [little random aside - why at the age of 31, having been married for 5 years, with a child of my own, do I still say I'm going "home" when I go to see my mother!, am I mad? ]

CBT is cognitive behaviour therapy. It can indeed be hard to get it on the NHS, and you may have to wait quite a while, this depends very much on where you live. Littlepolly it really is very important that you discuss things with a doctor. St Johns wort is pretty much the same as Prozac, and you should be monitored if you are taking it.

Thanks for the nut advice rubles! I will get lots of nuts. The doctor at the fertility clinic also recommended Wellma vitamin tablets, and after some internet research I have added Vit B12 at quite high dose. I hope he takes them. He is going to be mostly away during the week over the next few months, so I can't monitor this all the time! I'll be seeing him every weekend and will give him abundant nuts to take with him!

I'm on CD26 today but am trying to forget about that given all the problems.

MY COMPUTER IS PLAYING UP !!!!!

Anyways, am using the freebie one at the gym. Yes, i am here again. Just weighed myself and i have lost 6lbs... OMG WW works I realise it is early days yet but I am going to stay positive. WW is easier than I thought. i have not felt hungry at all. Tescos is great for WW points food.

Anyway, how are we all on this fine sunny bank holiday weekend?
I am really looking forward to an extra day off.
I don't suppose anyone will bother with this over the weekend so I will catch up from work on Tuesday.
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Hi Oinker, that is great! I'm also on WW at the moment, I find it the only diet I can actually (mostly) stick to. I've lost 2kg overall (but a week on holiday found me staying the same, just glad I did not gain though).

I am unforunately having to work this weekend and have been sitting at the computer all day. Nice thing is though that DH has just fixed up a wireless system in the house which means I can sit anywhere with my laptop and still be online, even while he is busy with the desktop.

DH and I have made up well after the row we had abiut his smoking and his sperm count. He is munching on Brazil nuts now and I think he will try to slow down the smoking. He leaves tomorrow to work in Scotland for several months (I will see him on the weekends) and there he can't smoke in pubs etc so that may help!

Hi Ladies, I've been an MN lurker for a little while and have been keeping an eye on this thread - So exciting when someone gets good news!! Am only month 2 of ttc, but am now a MN addict. Yikes...

Anyway, hope you dont mind me gatecreashing but I thought you'd be the experts on ovulation tests. I bought a packet while ttc my second son (unfortunately lost at 21 weeks pg), and still had some left which I've used, but I've not got any instructions. They are First Reponse ones and I was wondering if its normal to have a feint line after having had the strong purple line indicating ovulation?

I'm going to get another packet for next month if we are not successful this month and can read up on it then, but just wondered if someone knew off hand.

Thanks and hope you don't mind me turning from a lurker to contributor on this thread!

Good luck to everyone
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Good morning everyone

Welcome Rachelrose

I haven't used the First response ones but used cheap ones from ebay for 6 months whilst ttc our son (sadly similarly lost at 18 & half weeks weeks pg). I never got a second dark line as the instructions said and only got a feint line when I OV'd. This time I have been using the ovultell ones and I do get a very dark line with these ones when OV is iminent but a feint line at other times as well. Some people don't get very strong lines but as First response aren't cheapy ones I would have thought you'd be able to tell quite clearly when you OV and it will go considerably darker. Feint is probably your 'normal' non OV result if that makes sense. What CD day are you?
I'm CD8 and usually OV around day CD11 so am at that very positive stage of the month

Good luck with 2WW nicola63, glad you and DH have made up. It can be very stressful (understatement)when our DH's are doing something which we see as detrimental to our chances of conceiving can't it? With DH and I, its his weight that can be the flashpoint

Rubles - thanks for the brazil nut tip

Hi ruthlouise, thanks for the welcome.

Am on CD16, but have no idea when and even if I've already OV'd. I reckon I'll be trying again next month when hopefully I can pay a bit more attention to my body. Got to say have learnt more on MN than through anything else!

Good luck this month!

Hi ladies- I haven't been on this thread in a while as have been feeling a bit dowm about my last m/c- worked out I would have been 22 weeks along last week- made me incredibly sad. Also the anniversaries of my other 2 losses are coming up..not a good time of year. Sorry to be so depressing.

Welcome Rachel R- good luck wit hthe ov thing and to everyone else too.

Iam cd 28 of a 28-32 day cycle- tested this morning and a bfn..no sign of af though- do I stil have hope?

Rachelrose, just found the first response instructions:

www.firstresponse.com/products/easyReadOvulation.asp

apologies, as I don't know how to do links and you'll have to cut and paste, but it says that a feint line means you haven't yet OV'd. Hope that helps.

Andi0411 - everything crossed for you. As they say, it aint over til AF appears - here's hoping she doesn't (((hugs)))

Thanks RuthL for your pos vibes- i have been searching the threads for: people who get neg p tests and are pg/ people who get pre- mens symptoms and are pg- driving myself nuts at the mo. I have very bad back ache/ no sore boobs and the af dull ache in the tummy tonight.
O yes and I am doing the infamous 'white knicker watch'( tmi i know )and no sign yet. Keep your fingers crossed for me.
How're things with you? x

Oh Andi, we all do it every month (hug). I was convinced last month that we had a good chance but it was not to be. I've had several cycles where I've had loads of CM and got my hopes up as I've heard thats a good sign so then I begin to think sperm has met egg but failed to implant those months. I posted on another site just before I got my bfp with our son that I thought I might be 'cos had lots of CM - went back to the site recently and re-read the thread. I never got sore boobs 'til about 6 weeks pg so that wouldn't be a sign for me. good luck.

Any news Ladies?

oh my god oh my god you are not going to believe this

A BFP

Two in fact, on both Clearblue and First Response

I am in shock.

WOW Nicola- congrats- I really mean that!!!!!!!

Can I ask what cd you were on and how long your cycle is? I also require everybit of your last month cycle in detail Did you do anything diff? remind me how long have you been ttc?

God - Spanish INQ over --congrats AGAIN x

Hi andi. CD29 today, my normal cycle is 28 days. I have been ttc for just over 18 months and had 2 m/c's in that time. After the 1st m/c I ended up with intauterine adhesions. After the second I was diagnosed as having hypothyroidism and had further adhesions divided.

I wasn't expecting this BFP now! We went to the fertility clinic last Tuesday, and there my DH was told that he has a low sperm count. I was also advised to have a further hysteroscopy and various other tests, and I was just waiting for AF to arrive so I could go ahead and arranmge these! My DH has been mucnhing nuts and vitamins and was due to have another sperm test in 2 weeks.

I think now that DH's swimmers were all used up in the fantastic holiday week we had over my birthday, which was when I conceived! (turned 43), and so he few left for the test, which was just 3 days after we got back.

I am now very scared, after the 2 m/c's (and no definite explanation for them), so please wish me luck for this one to stick.

Nicola!!!!!!!!! Oh my goodness!!!! I am so pleased for you What fantastic news! Congratulations!

Nicola that's fantastic news ! What did we say - holidays and fertility investigations seem to cause BFPs!! You just did both at once!! I'm so so pleased for you

Here's hoping that 3rd time lucky will be the sticky one!! Look after yourself and try not to worry too much - although I'm sure I'll be a gibbering wreck when I finally get my next BFP!

Take care all