TTC for 10+ months, part 9

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Ladies, number 9. The lucky one.

medussa they don't normally scan you until around 6 weeks or until your hcg levels are over 2,500 as they can't see anything, my fingers are crossed for you still, big hugs x

cosmos sorry x posted with you, -I- Charlie would have taken to his clothes with scissors

missm Thinking of you and would also add to buzzy's comments that apparently if you have quite a tilted/anteverted uterus a bean is very difficult/nigh on impossible to pick up on a scan in the early weeks.

buzzy why is it the little things that send us over the edge. MrP was utterly bemused that I was apparently so angered by a sponge pudding. I actually had to explain that the fact he had bought the wrong sponge pudding was representative of our sham of a relationship and our failure as a couple. Jeez, I thought that would be obvious to anyone

cosmos the "your treatment" line would have had me spinning!!!! Poor you. Men are utter twats sometimes.

princess please don't think that you've upset anyone. I like other people's forays into all this TTC lark and like to hear about other peoples coping mechanisms. I just prefer the flounce about, throw myself around mechanism. BTW I was thinking about my inner chimp, which is rampant at the moment. He is called Maurice Lickety Split the Second and is very, very camp (think a cross between the naughtiness of Alan Carr, the throw the toys out of the praminess of Pete Burns and the thespy dramatics of Derek Jacobi) and highly strung. I would never have met my chimp if you hadn't have posted all about it
Like nelly said, I don't think anyone on here would be offended by advice from someone in the same boat.

pout you made me laugh, why don't men understand, just found an overseas clinic that claims its IVF success rate is 70%

Princess, I'm so sorry if I've upset you with over what I said about the woo. I write without thinking sometimes, I'm such a potato head. We all have different ways if coping, and I love hearing about what others on this thread are trying. I just meant that for me, I have a known cause for our infertility so all the woo in the world won't help. And I do feel uneasy that people with no real biological knowledge make money out of us. But it's great when people find something that works for them. Sorry again x

princess no one has rubbed me up the wrong way, well maybe a contrary colleague but that is nothing new, please don't feel you have, sorry I didn't respond earlier this thread moves so fast I miss bits and x post, can Charlie offer you a piece of banana loaf :)

Missmedusa isn't 5 weeks too early too see something? I thought 6 weeks was the earliest they can see something, fingers crossed the blood work is high and there is still hope. Take care, I'm thinking of you.

Evening All,

MissM fingers crossed. It's still early days. I'm really hoping this will happen for you.

lemon your post was very uplifting. Thank you for sharing. No offensive has been had over this side of the slightly tipsy wondering if I'm pg tent.
but amazeballs is a word? ... really?

cosmos what a brilliant chimp moment with MrC's clothes. That made me

I need some advice..
CD28 and by no stretch of the imagination "late"
Dr appointment on Monday to talk about stupid irregular and long cycles I've always had and if there's drugs she can give me to make me "normal".
Had a weird ache in one side for a week now but nothing else pg like.
Do I waste money on a pee stick this weekend of the off chance..Just to save booking another appointment?

Waves and group hig from a pissed lemon I did painkilling by alcohol tonight . All of you stay here and don't be overly sensitive. You are all lovely and fine people. XXX

princess love the semi-naked young Brucie. MrC is going to see him performing tonight actually, he's on tour in DC - I am very jealous!

pout love your camp chimp. Brilliant. And at the sponge pudding!

buzzy good luck with whatever you decide - you've had a supremely crap time of it. For what it's worth, I think if I were you I would want to have a go at IVF - but I totally understand that it is incredibly expensive and not guaranteed to work, so that makes things much harder. Did your MIL ever offer to help out financially in the end? Can your DH have a conversation with her and talk about specifics? Big hug - I think you're being really brave. And a hug to Charlie too.

cosmos I am at your chimp and the hangers incident.

miss m I am SO sorry. What a worry. I hope it's just too early, and that your little bean is hanging in there.

nelly I have never understood the naice ham reference. I recently read the pom bear thread in classics, which was very funny indeed.

mrsd loved the incontinence pads story!

critter mil has offered to help but I don't honestly think she has any idea of the costs. There is just so much info out there, I really want to get on with it asap but realistically it could be next year now, Charlie says thanks for the hug, how are the injections going??

Group hig HUG.

And I am sorry Medusa. Really hope things will improve. If not, I've got wine, painkillers and chocolate to share...

Thanks for your kind words, they really help. Maybe it is a bit early, apparently you should be able to see something by 5 weeks but maybe I implanted really late. I hate the not knowing.

My tests are finally darker and the CBD says 2-3 weeks so I think my levels are rising but not sure if it's fast enough. It has all been a little too slow and if there was any chance I could have conceived any later, there would be a lot more hope but in typical Miss and MrMedusa style we stopped DTD as soon as I confirmed ovulation.

I hope you don't mind me still posting here sometimes? I feel a little bit homeless at the moment but I don't want to make anyone feel bad by posting PG stuff on the conception board.

medusa I just looked at my records with my 2nd pregnancy, I had a hcg blood test the day after my BFP and it was only 28. It took 10 days for it to reach 3600 so over 5 weeks and all they saw on the scan was a small sac and yolk. Like I said before your hcg needs to be over 2500 for them to be able to scan you and see something. Hopefully on Monday you'll see something on your scan, big hugs x

That would make sense that she didn't see anything then. I don't know what my levels are yet but they can't be that high as I only got a 2-3weeks from the CBD which apparently means it's less than 2000.

Thanks for the information.

medusa I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you that it all goes okay. And I think it's totally fine to post about your conception and pregnancy on this Board, I love success stories for those of us that struggle introducing the right sperm to the right egg. I think it gives us all hope, and I know if I get a BFP, I'll be worrying continually, and would totally value the support of everyone on this Board.

Re: early scans, I've never had one, but I do sometimes wonder why they bother (I don't mean this to upset anyone) given the risk of loss in the first 12 weeks. I know when my sister miscarried, she had started bleeding and was taking the pragmatic approach of 'well, it's obviously not meant to be' but docs sent her for early scan, whereby it was revealed that baby was still there and she saw the heart beat. This made it all the more harrowing when 5 days later after more bleeding, they gave her another scan and the heart beat had gone. She was devastated, and at the time she felt she'd have coped much better if she'd never seen the heart beat in the first place. Mind you, I'm not sure whether now (7 years later) she's maybe pleased that she saw that heart beat, even if it was briefly (she never managed to conceive and stopped trying shortly afterwards (she was in her mid forties by then).

I remember when I miscarried the midwife offered me a photo of the scan that showed that nothing was there and I was horrified at the time, and thought it was a macabre thing to do. But in the time that has passed, I now see that it would give you something tangible to grieve over (I was in denial really with my loss, and didn't handle it too well).

Sorry, I see that I started this post being all supportive and now I've went all maudlin (must be the insomnia - totally can't sleep) apologies if I've brought anyone down or anything, maybe I'll just read my book and leave posting to a more reasonable hour!

Hope you're all enjoying your Z's!

Coco I would test. But I know others prefer to wait for AF to avoid disappointment. Hoping for you.

Eleuth that is such a sad story about your sister. Did she make peace with not having children?

Heart sorry about the tears and glad your period isn't as painful. Small mercies.

Medusa I am crossing my fingers for you. God it's stressful.

Lemon glad you're having wine and chocolate. You are my hero. When you're going through hell, keep going, as Churchill said.

Buzzy you are sweet to ask about my injections, they are fine - I worry I am doing it wrong but it isn't hurting or making me crazy, whih is a relief. I have a scan on Monday to see if the follies have grown. Currently got a hot water bottle on my tummy and have been inhaling cheese in an attempt to eat protein. Is it worth your dh gently talking to mil about cost? Perhaps she could contribute, even if the whole thing was too much. Apologies if I am speaking out of turn.

Late night tail feather shakes to you all.

Hi Critter Yes, my sister did accept childlessness. I really felt for her though, she'd ended up in a long term relationship where the bloke then decided he didn't want kids and then didn't want her, so she was single at 32 and living in a low population area. She married at 38 to a lovely guy, but she just had no idea about fertility drop off, compared to how informed folk are now, she just didn't know to go to her docs after 6 months, so ended up not trying till she was about 39 going on 40, then waited over 2 years before seeing her GP who told her the game was up basically, and she was now too old for IVF on NHS and if she went to private clinic she'd need donor eggs.

Her husband wasn;'t keen on that, and while she would have fostered or adopted, as for him he wanted any child to be from both of them (if you see what I mean). But she's a great aunty, although I do really feel for her as I know she'd have been a fantastic mum, and it seems so unfair how life pans out for some folk. I would say that she has come to terms with it though.

Morning you lovely bunch. Nobody is to frequenting here any less!!! . I need my daily fix of you all!!!

Mrs Den - sorry for the a+ birth announcements - especially the "well timed" one. Ha ha to the monster sized incontinence pads.

Lemon - I like the tiddley version of you. This is where you become 'lemonade'. I really admire you and I am so pleased the physical side is nearly over.

Teu - I agree with what other have said about testig later. Good luck.

Critter - I'm thinking of you and your follies. Whenever I do the extra protein and heat pack thing I end up with a monster follie

Cosmos - I am interested in what your counsellor says about the womb. I agree it is helpful to become more comfortable with other peoples BFP's and briths simply from the point of view of helping oursleves feel less sore about it. I am purposefully "liking" and commenting on all of my freinds cute baby pictures and updates at the moment. To be honest I have always done this as I have never ever wanted anyone to realise the level of hurt that I feel. But now I am trying to do it in a genuine way so I can feel more at ease with the life that other people have. Well done on the herbs!

Nelly - Your hypno lady sounds very interesting. I am really focusing on my womb at the moment. It has, anatomically speaking, moved further in to mid line and for the first time in my life, I have a small protruding lower belly where the womb should sit like other girls. I find this alone interesting and exciting and has been thanks to the mayan massage. I am trying to love my womb (not all from a woo perspective) in preperation for the FET but generally for the rest of my life too.

Buzz - O sweetheart, I'm so sorry that you are going through the mill. You do have some good plans in place (finanaces permitting) which is great. Sorry if you have already looked in to this but have you researched costs of your local NHS clinic as I don't think you have to pay for consultations etc - just the treatment. Could you look at joining a health care fund to help pay for the costs of prescriptions. I have been in a health care fund for just over a year and if it wasn't for this I couldn't have done all of the refelxology / acu and couldn't wear contact lenses every day - it has saved us loads of money and I know we can get half money back on prescriptions - which in the case of IVF, is a lot.

Joyce - sounds like a difficult phonecall with your brother. Do you feel any relief from it in a funny kind of way?

Pout - oh dear, sorry abou the sponge meltdown.

Princess - thank you for your post on relaxation. I am also trying to (often failing) focus on giving myself a better quality of life regardless of babies but hopefully with babies (iyswim). We love The Boss in this house!

Miss M - as others have said, I think 5 weeks can be too early for a scan. But your rising numbers sounds hopeful The waiting is yuck! But there is still hope and it's great that there was no sign of eptopic too. Will be thinking of you.

Coco - gosh, yes, I say do a test!

Heart - I totally agree that tv box sets and recording programmes is the way forward. Counselling sounds like a fab idea too. It is brilliant news that your period was far less painful post op. This is a mahooosive step forward and you SHOULD celebrate this. Try to replace the tears with a new founded optomism for your future if you can. This is a fresh start for you!!!

Going back to Hearts point about tv box sets and recording telly, my DH has bought me the TV times this week in preperation for my time off so I can plan my viewing. Funnily enough, I am not a big telly person. Much prefer the computer (wonder why ) but when I do watch telly it is a deliberate decision to watch something really good. I don't know how I would have got throught the last couple of years with out Inspector George Gentley, Downton Abbey and Lewis as well as those 2 epiosde type dramas on ITV which tend to come on over the Autumn. We also love box sets of Allo Allo, Aufedaseine sp?? Pet and Gavin and Stacey. What does everyone else watch as a form of escapism form TTC hell?

I am having a happy and busy weekend to stop me mentalling too much before Tuesday (transfer day). Every now and again I get a nagging thought that we have mis-timmed this natural cycle. And yesterday I got a report from my consultant with the details of the disscussions we had 2.5 months a go - very slow NHS response. It just feels like bad timming as I don't want to think about my medical issues. Her report wasn't a damming one but of course it is easy to focus on the bit which says "there could be inflammatory issues in Sarlat's tubes which decreases the chances of pregnancy". Gah - need to go back to my womb loving thoughts.

We went to the cinema last night and saw a weird but good horror film called 'when the lights go out'. Our cinema was packed out becuase it is based on a ghost story about the town in which I grew up - spooky indeed. Tonight we are going to zizi's and then to the theatre darling. I plan to keep doing loads of nice things for ever.......or at least until the money runs out.

I am applying for a job thanks to joyceps wise words. It would be a bit more responsability but also some more money. It's funny, I always visualised myself as a working mum at the place where I am now, dropping my kid off at the on site nursery. But maybe that's not the way things are suppose to be........maybe I'm ment to work somewhere else and have a different kind of life.......it's almost a little bit exciting.

Lastly, I am giddy about coming to London. Does anyone have any suggestions about cheapish but fairly pleasant hotels with parking (doesn't have to be central) with access to tube to get to our meet up. Dh is coming too (not to the met up ) as we thought we would make a long weekend of it.

Morning lovely 10+ers!

You're weekend sounds great sarlat. Like you and heart I am also a great fan of series to get through the (really) low patches. I am just cross the next series of Downton starts when I hope to feel a bit better . I also just watch telly when stuff is difficult or I feel ill. Which has been half of July (lap) and Sept...

Hurrah for so much less pain during AF heart. It is very good news, and the op should have done much earlier. I am so cross they let women wait and struggle for so long, when really having to take such heavy duty stuff every month is just wrong! Also from endo friends I have heard you should have improved chances of conception for at least 6 months, so am crossing everything

MissMedusa so sorry about the stressful wait. I am keeping everything crossed for your bean. I believe a good ultrasound tech should have been able to see a thickening in the womb lining at 5 weeks (with the dildo-cam). But the tech we had for the first scan at 6.4 could easily find the yolk sac, but really couldn't see whether there was a heart, she had to get her supervisor in, who told us the crap news DH and I have decided we never want a scan before 7 weeks again, because whether or not there is a heart beat before does not have to mean anything. Although it was easier to accept stuff was going wrong and the bleeding when I already new the bean was broken In any case, keep hopeful, off the booze and feel welcome here. I never really left, did I?

Applying for a new job sounds wise buzzy. I really hope you'll get it. Although I don't believe in relaxing and it will happen in TTC, I do believe in making your life better, whether or not a BFP materialises. Remember mine did two weeks after starting a new job, and I am happy I still have the exciting job, it made the last week much more bearable, having to go and pretend to be a professional lemon . Also, get your DH to talk with his mum about costs, if she can help, she might want to my parents have offered us help, now they are completely up to speed since the MC, which means we'll be able to try a few more rounds of IUI without eating into our IVF savings

What a story eleth about your sister. It sounds tough on her. I hope she is very happy with the nice man she ended up with though. From experience I can report that being an amazing aunty is very satisfying, but simply not the same...

Sorry about sponge-gate pout. But does it help, if you always make me smile. It is the wry humour that you use to describe the most shitty situations.

Coco I would nor POAS if I were you. But then I am keen to never POAS again, but get presented with a perfect baby about 9 months after my last AF. I have a new fear for the early weeks of pg. But I don't know exactly what the appointment is about. If it is just talking, you can discuss your worries and possible treatments, get referred for blood tests etc, and if the best thing happens, you just won't need to follow it up.

Well done on the injections critter. And hurrah for them not making you insane. Well done you. No headaches? No emotional roller coasters? I am now sure the break-down I had in the last IUI was mostly side effects... But I will go back for more.

As for me, I am still fairly housebound, lots of spring-cleaning of the womble going on. I really hope I can make it outside today and have a little bit of fun. Although getting pissed with DH last night was good. It made me feel like the old lemon and DH booked a weekend away to cheer me up, which is all movable if it clashes with treatments, he is wonderful

Grr just lost my post.
MissM fingers crossed.
buzzy I sorry things are so hard just now.
comos interesting re: anti-family vibes. Guess I better cuddle my favourite 1yo more. Do fur baby cuddles count do you think?
MrsD at incontinence pads too. Although woriking for a community nursing organisation I'm learning lots about all the different options there are. Male and female. Are we all doing our pelvic floors exercises, because we can?
pout at the sponge. I'm with you on the little stuff being so obviously representative of really big stuff.

GP was lovely. I have a pile of scripts for, I'm guessing, all the usual blood tests and SA. She reckons MrTeu is like her DH, "he just needs to harden up and get on with it" she said then realised what she said. MrTeu is very embarrassed and squeemish now the paperwork is here. I feel a bit better for doing this.

Waves to everyone. Hope you have lovely weekends.

Well done for good visit to the GP, teu!

teu glad the GP was helpful. At least things are being looked into and the ball is rolling. Tell Mr Teu that they have ways of getting his SA out with a big needle if he can't jizz in a cup thats what I told Mr B

medusa hcg levels don't always double exactly and its about every 48 hours, as long as the numbers go up. Its shit having to wait

eletheo I personally like having early scans, I like to know what is happening even if I have no control, seeing my baby with a heartbeat and wiggling inside me has to be the most amazing thing I have ever seen even if it didn't last. Both mine were classed as missed miscarriages, I couldn't imagine getting to 12 weeks and then finding out the baby died weeks before,I felt angry the first time as my body didn't recognise what was going on and did nothing for a whole month. Also knowing earlier meant that I got referred earlier to the miscarriage clinic.I too was offered scan pic but said no, I do regret it now. I'm sorry to hear about your sister, its a very difficult decision to make and come to terms with.

coco I personally would test, but then I like to know asap

heart thank you, I used to have STAC box set but sold it on ebay, my favourite is pride and Prejudice plus my criminal minds which is on a rolling repeat on TV. Glad AF is more bearable

critter glad the drugs haven't made you insane, on Monday would you have been injecting 12 days?? or is this a scan to see how you are progressing and if you need the 12 days?? MIL I think will be fine about giving us the money I just don't think she has really thought about how much it is, I don't expect them to pay the full price, she is aware that it is cheaper in Europe.

sar wow not long now eeek :) I am not sure exactly where you live but I looked into NHS around here and they are not much cheaper than Create for IVF, I think it was gin who very kindly gave me info on our local Faux Surrey NHS and it sounded a bit crap. Places to stay, have you looked at lastminute.com they do some great deals, just think when we meet up you'll have mini sar with you.

lemon I hope you made it outside,I'm sadly not applying for new jobs, I'm sort of stuck really, I'm not sure where Mr B will get his next job or for how long, he is applying all over the country and Scotland too, so not sure what to do, also how long it would take to start the new job, the NHS is very slow as with all things, when I started where I am I was interviewed in the July and didn't start until the end of September also I wouldn't want to move and then find out I couldn't claim mat pay, but then the thought of my bitch boss coming back and me not being pregnant is more than I could stand. I don't want a job I just want my baby!! :(

Well my temp slightly dropped again, but no sign of ovulation so this a dud month again. I am great believer in 'tidy house tidy mind' so I have done all my washing, been to Tesco, cleaned the windows, repotted my 2 trees, planted up my hanging baskets, cleaned the flat and have dyed my hair and done my nails.
I have also spent alot of time thinking about work, and worrying I'll have to wait months to get into this IVF place, time for some mindless TV :)

we were waiting for the news to come on so caught the last 5 minutes of Casualty where so girl had a baby, I said as if a baby comes out that clean, looked over at Mr B who was crying, just breaks my heart :(