We are all jolly well going to get preggers this month in a nonchalant non-psycho way, and hang onto it, and there will be no brooking of any argument whatsoever!

[ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster]

Welcome across Rat Smackers! Glad you found the place okay. This is THE MONTH when we get those deceitful pee sticks to own up to the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS - we are all already preggers! After all; positive people get positive pee sticks!

I hope you all like what I've done with our new home

You'll note the updated title, courtesy of farfalla. Various healthy snacks have been set out on the coffee tables, to ensure our bumps are receiving the appropriate nutritional balance

Also, my personal favourite adjustment, you'll note the strategically positioned peephole, right here, providing us with a sneaky preview of the utopian delights awaiting us in the NO BROOKING vomitorium ante-natal thread.

So let's get to it preggos! Remember: see a rat - smack it!

scream I applaud cannot believe your self restraint! Also had to re-read your post as I thought you'd said you made your dh swi 5 times a day!

imps i'm honestly not brooking.

what do we want
positive pee sticks
when do we want them
NOW

I'M WITH YOU IMPS!!!

What do we want?!
POSITIVE PEE STICKS!
When do we want them?!
NOW!!!!!!!!!!

scream get down off that table! In your condition, honestly!

To be fair I think I only resorted to that particular seduction line the once (desperate measures and all after so many months of trying)

I am off to bake a honey cake to boost up the brooking round here. It is a well known and scientifically proven fact that honey is essential for brooking.....

Hmm....

(Pssst Biscuits - I've no idea what it means either...)

Thanks everyone

Sorry about the BFN Little but I am sure it is only a matter of time before it is a BFP

It is busy in here today Still no sign of AF. I realy don't know what's going on. I know FR wasn't FMU, but it would have shown up anyway, no?

Got my 6 week old niece coming over tonight which will just make me ultra broody but at the same time will make sure that I absolutely brook no argument.

It means, fellow preggos, that we have had ENOUGH! There will be no more trying to conceive, no more negotiation with those wretched pee sticks, we will NOT TOLERATE anyone or anything who tries to deny the blindingly obvious truth: this is our month and we ARE ALREADY pregnant!

Hmph!

maybe can you test again tomorrow with fmu? If they were just smudges on the cheapies then it might really need fmu to get a positive. You are not out of the running at all

Yay Biscuits I would be tempted to frame that CBD if I was you or at least take a picture for babybiscuits memory box

Farfalla the "being caught in sexy underwear while getting changed" is a copyrighted move of mine! < I'm starting to worry I sound like a sexual predator >

I'm 100% brooking no argument this month. I have run out of cheap pee sticks & will be buying no more as I clearly won't need them. I also have lots of OPK's that I can donate to the Market stall as I'm going for the method of good old rat smacking at ANY opportunity. Who needs a little stick to tell me when I ovulate, I'm the boss here, I'll just tell my ovaries to produce that egg when I'm good and ready full of sperm

Sorry about the BFN little < shows little to the most comfortable seat and gives her some of my famous chocolate mint cake, offers the rest round to everyone else>

Thanks Little I probably will test again not that I bought a twin pack of FR and a twin pack of CBD

The cheapie one this morning was definitely definitely there, not imagined at all. Though of course it could be planning some kind of coup with the other pee sticks...

biscuits I'm not sure quite how they work but its based.on level of hcg so essentially your hcg sounds good and high! As we knew you really, really are upduffed.
maybe bless you, what's going on? I fonder if this illness has confused everything. I hope you feel better soon.
Now.the sexing luring. I have same issue with DH. Prior to rat smacking Friday night/ Saturday had become nookie territory. Now I lure him.to bed with 'no expectation' but would you like a massage? It works a treat because it helps him unwind and 9/10 times puts him in the mood. Think it's cos it's sensuous and it's skin to skin contact.
The other night I just got naked and did 'the inhaler dance' - genuinely looking for inhaler as was wheezy- but because the ladies were jiggling about I was nude it put him in the mood!
So farfalla get yourself down Boots to buy some nice massage oil (not the Durex stuff it's too sticky).

Maybe - if it was faint this morning with fmu than maybe it would still need to be fmu to show up?

Think positive thoughts and try the other FR tomorrow.

Just taken me ages to catch up and I was up to date last night!

Maybe it ain't over yet. If AF still hasn't turned up by tomorrow morning you could use your other FR first thing. The one you used earlier must surely be a dud.

Biscuits I did actually lol at your seduction technique. That sounds like something I'd say to my DH.

Little I hope all's gone well with fannycam and it shows what we already know.

CD11 for me and fertility still showing low on Clear Blue FM. (Fertility monitor not radio station for obsessive rat smackers!) AAAGGGHHHH I was hoping to see some rats over the weekend but it now seems more likely to be next week when DH won't be arsed is busy at work.

Biscuits I completely forgot to say, well done on the old CBD. Is there no way you could be more pregnant than you thought? Hope you emailed the internet test people back

Thanks Have I wondered that too, but apparently it would only delay ovulation, not lengthen my luteal phase, and I wasn't ill around ov, so who knows. Maybe I didn't lay a golden egg this month after all

Argh I LOVE LOVE LOVE the idea of Clear Blue FM radio station! We should definitely have a radio station in our room!!

May I ask you wise ladies a question?

I have a friend who knows we were ttc. She knows a lot about it as we have been talking it through a lot recently. So she knows that we had been to the fertility clinic she knew to text and ask how the last appt went and so she knew that we were about to start trying clomid from next cycle.

Now she is just in the middle of frozen embryo IVF cycle thing (where they use a donated frozen embryo?). She has had 3 or 4 I think failed IVF cycles previously and been ttc for 3 years now.

Now, the last time we texted / spoke I asked how her cycle was going and she asked if we'd started the clomid yet (she already knew that we were due to be starting it 'sometime' this week probably). I said we hadn't and she obviously cottoned on that this meant I was late so was very supportive with the old 'oooh, tense times' etc.

What I want to know is how do I tell her I got a bfp? I feel like I should tell her as it is just like we were in the middle of a conversation or something! She knew so much about where we were up to and had been talking to me about the practicalities of ivf etc as it was looking more likely that we would end up there.

Now, a few things to factor in to your sage advice:

• I don't see her often, mainly text correspondence as she lives a distance away, sometimes on the phone (but I'm not great at talking on the phone). I also think that maybe being told these things on the phone is harder as you have to put on a brave face/voice?

• I would prefer not to be telling people yet just in case but to not tell her feels weird as she was there with me every step of it. To have someone know you're late but then not tell them either way seems a bit weird.

What should I do? Do you (a) think I should tell her and (b) if so how should I do it?

Ooooh it's a really difficult one Biscuits. I probably would mention it by text/email/however you normally communicate, but not in a happy way - does that sound stupid? Something like "Just to let you know that I've had a positive pregnancy test but it's really early days so nothing's certain yet". Then it doesn't look like you're deliriously happy when she's not, plus it certainly wouldn't sound like you're rubbing her face in it.

The difficulty with not mentioning it is that she may feel quite upset that you chose not to share your news with her.

But I'm not the best for advice so you'd prob be best off listening to the other rat smackers!

OH! p.s. = the top names for 2010 is out on the ONS website!!

Hmmm tough one Biscuits This is the problem when we tell people in real life about TTC, you get people asking questions when you'd rather they didn't. I regret telling people about my MCs for this reason. Everyone now seems to think it's ok to ask me "is there any news?" every time they see me

I think if I were you I would put off telling her for as long as possible. Yes, you've been open in the past about what stage you're at but it doesn't mean you still have to be. I would wait until you next hear from her and not mention it unless she does. If she does ask I would then be completely honest and tell her the truth. It's very sad for her, but as we're all too aware life's unfair and she's probably prepared herself for this to happen at some point anyway as soon as she heard you were ttc.

Oh biscuits, what a tricky one.
I would definitely tell her but maybe wait until you are 7/8 weeks and things are a bit more settled?
By text is good.
My friend sent me an email as she knew I had had a MC and wanted to tell me before anyone else/before we saw eachother in a group setting. I felt like I had been punched in the stomach for 24 hours and had a good cry.
Am now totally happy for her but I would have been so embarassed if I had had that reaction 'live'.
She will guess you have had a BFP anyway so better to tell her I would have thought, but you must do what is right for you.

Oh god Biscuits it's just occurred to me - I didn't mean to worry you with the "nothing's certain" bit in my last post - I hope I haven't. Sorry, I didn't think things through properly.

Imps I just checked out ONS website. DS's name is on there (but written very small) The boy and girl names I have picked out for DC2 are on both lists written quite big so sadly I may have to re-think. I don't mind a name that is relatively popular but I'd rather it wasn't in the top 10.

Biscuits I just re-read my above post. Sorry if it sounded like a criticism re telling people about ttc, that's not how I meant it to sound. Was just empathising as I've done the same but wish I hadn't. I didn't tell a soul about DS (apart from DH obviously) until I was 12 weeks but when I got pregnant for the second time I took it for granted that it would be ok so had a few people to tell that I'd MCd and it just made me wish I'd not said anything in the first place. Everyone now knows I must be ttc again.

I do truly think though that it will come as no surprise to her to hear your news. Be prepared for her to be upset (she may not be) and if you are having a conversation about it on the phone rather than texting it might be best if you bring it to an end soon after telling her to give her opportunity to put the phone down and cry. My friend told me she was pregnant last week and was very excited and asking me lots of pregnancy questions. I just wanted to put the phone down and ring DH but had to listen to the whole tits like melons description etc for 15 mins first which was very hard.

Any requests for CBFM yet?

Oh don't worry Imps you've not worried me (well, by that I mean it is actually how I feel rather than creating an additional worry ). It's odd, I don't feel like I could be described as 'pregnant' but rather as someone who has got some BFPs.

I also think you're right Farfalla she probably will have guessed anyway as I would certainly have told her when i started the clomid. She ain't daft. She has her transfer for her cycle next week so I will have to be in contact with her to wish her luck for that. If I can get away with it, I would like to leave it until then. but don't want her to think I was trying to keep it from her.

It's kind of as if I know, she knows, and I know she knows, but how do we all come clean and break the ice.

I think the way Imps worded it is probably best - a kind of 'early days' message. She knows I had a mc before and how long we've been trying so naturally putting those two together one is a little nervous about it.

But I don't know whether I should do it before I wish her good luck for her transfer thing. Don't want to text saying 'oooh, good luck, oh and by the way - I'm preggo!!!

It is a tricky one Biscuits I am the same as Scarlet I get the whole 'any news' thing all the time.

I would wait until she asks you again too. Sorry I can't give any better advice. It is such a tricky situation

Scarlet again no offence taken. And you're right. As time has gone on more and more people have found out. We told our parents the first time but mc'd so the second time we told NO ONE (not even parents) until the scan. This time though we have been trying for so long that people have just kind of found out. One girl I know has exactly the same timeframe / issues etc so we have chatted and were going through the referrals together. Then there is the IVF friend below. And some other friends that i had had a conversation with even before we started ttc about when we thought we might like another (our dcs are all the same age), so they kind of know that we were ttc too, so you get the 'any news ? questions when you meet up.

One of those friends in particular definitely knew we were trying and she was ttc at the same time but got pg 1st month. I know she worried about how to tell me and was kind of conscious of it all the way through her pg and now the first 6 mths of having her DS. But then I never wanted her to feel uncomfortable either. It's not HER fault I couldn't get PG. In fact I am going to see this friend this afternoon but think I can get away without saying anything to her.

But now that there is some news I am so scared I don't want to tell anyone.

Me and my big mouth,. I got so used to just telling people there was no news......