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Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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galwaygal · 16/11/2010 11:10

This is a continuation of the "More ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings"

I thought I would keep the title short as there are so many long ones out there.

I thought I would start the new thread so that you don't forget me Grin

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Italiangreyhound · 28/11/2010 00:35

Louise you've probably gone to bed so maybe I will catch you tomorrow.So sorry you have had such a shit day. There are no words but just wanted to let you know that you are not alone, we are here. I know we have not all been through what you have. But we do care. I am sure there are lots of people around you who are there for you but it is so tough. So many friends come with their own kids and it is hard to avoid it.

Sending you a hug, I know it is not much. Sad

muchlove · 28/11/2010 09:50

HeyLOU
Oh honey Im so sorry for the horrible (NIGHTMARE) you are going through.....I really really am.....Its a tough time of year aswell and I wish I could give you some advice on how to deal/wade through it all. But I know how tough it is for you (though I havent walked in your shoes)as a woman I've suffered losses also and it is really bloody hard to find the moral of 'the story' when something as tragic as your loss of Georgie happens. Because quite frankly until you are holding another baby in your arms nothing is gonna even come close to giving you peace. Time does cushion the blows slightly and yes its absolutely true that many women who have suffered a stillbirth go on to have a family (I know of 3 straight off the bat).
So you are stillyoung enough and the good side of 40 and you have got time. But your grief has to play itself out...how long that takes is impossible to know. If it helps you stay with your counseller... and it sounds like your partner is very strong/supportive of you, So thats a blessing too. You have each other and you will get through this awful time because you have to. All of those things you wrote in your post is your grief coming out and you know what let it out in all its shitty painful glory because it is also a form of self healing and its completley normal !!!!
Italian is right we are here for you also and we will try to help you as best we can. Tank can help you too she has suffered awfully and wrote her grief out but she maybe understands/feels your pain abit clearer than I can.
But we will laugh with you and we will cry with you and just know you are not alone !!!

I hope today is a better day for you honey and if not then 'so what' it's just another day ........

xx

TankGiirl · 28/11/2010 12:00

Morning ladies xx

Gum I'm also feeling wobbly. I'm friendly with my mw, whose also a reiki practitioner, and she suggested giving it a go. I've had 2 sessions now, and although I am very skeptical about alternative therapies, I have to say, I did become noticeably calmer after the sessions - and the calm lasted for a few days afterwards and then seemed to wear off. Anyway, it only involves lying on your back, and the practitioner holding your head and directing energy, so my reasoning was it couldn't hurt. She wants to do it every week until week 12, when she'll book me for mw.

The other thing that is probably helping me is sleeping all the time - went to bed at 9.30pm last night, and slept till 9.30am Blush less time to worry! I dont' think I was this tired in my previous pg, and wondered if it was the grief and stress - but I suppose pg can be very different anyway??

Louise Big hug for you.
Your posts the last few days have been reminding me of one of the blogs I read. It's written by a lady called Jenny, who lost her 18 month old suddenly earlier this year. The post I've directed to is about how much she hates these bloody feckless people who don't seem to care that much about their DCs, but nothing happens to them. Everything you're expressing is very typical and normal.

Your other typical issue is facebook. It's the nature of the medium. People have hundreds of friends, and they are announcing to the world, and they won't think about the impact on others. To be fair, all my FB stuff prior to my daughter's death was happy family stuff. As most of the people I knew had DCs the same age, I've ended up hiding tons of folk from my newsfeed - they don't mean to upset me, they just want to talk about their panto visits and family farms and xmas wish lists. Since getting pg I have withdrawn completely from FB - there's just too much potentially upsetting stuff on there.

So, in summary, it's normal to feel pissed off, and the only solution is to closet yourself. Turn fb off - hurl comp across room if necessary; surround yourself with loving, patient pple.. (they are out there, if a little thin on the ground). then lower your expectations - shopping centres are hard, stressful places full of grumpy, but happy families shopping. I avoid them. I've already decided I am ignorning xmas - no cards, no presents (not even for the children). Anyone who doesn't like it, will just have to lump it.

It will get better - you're living a different life to the one your ordered. It is painful to adjust. It will come together. I promise it will. xx

Italian I have no diet help to offer. It is good you're not visiting me, as I have gone food crazy, and yesterday piled my trolley high with cheesecake, cashew nuts, chocolate and the like. Just as well, as we are snowed in here this morning Confused

I will pray for you too - I hope that helps - though I am sure you will look glamorous whatever weight you are!

How is everyone else doing? Where is GG to update the list? There doesn't seem to be enough SWI-ing going on around here lately Blush

Diege · 28/11/2010 15:22

Hello Smile Louise hoping you're having a better day today, wish I could give you a hug Sad Nothing to add to what the others have said - wise words as always - just that I'm thinking of you xxx
Tank I'm sure the reiki can only help, and good that it is having some perceivable effect. Not all that long till the 12 wk mark now for you. Btw I totally get where you're coming from re: 'cancelling' xmas xx
Gum your cooking sounds wonderful - pavlova is soo hard to make IMO. Re: pregnancy worries, the only thing that has calmed me down in the past is just the rather fatalistic 'I can't do anything about what might happen anyway', and then only for a few hrs. I suppose thinking that it's better to be in the position you're in, worries and all, than waiting to conceive and worrying about that? Not much help really Blush.
Italian I feel your food pain. Same here - only thing I don't fancy is fruit and veg Grin Just will power I suppose, but will be mighty hard in the xmas run-up...perhaps don't be too hard on yourself until post-xmas, then get very strict with the head-up to spring? Oh and gravy thing with Hippy, not very clear I know! What I mean is that people who like loads of gravy (ie, total coverage of food items on plate) also tend to be that way with their custard coverage (ie, up to brin of bowl so no pie/crumble etc can be seen). Mmmm crumble..
Right, better get back to my roast dinner prep while dh out with dcs.
Love to all x

galwaygal · 28/11/2010 19:55

baggy pants:
Spottysox: Age43 cd6
Hippy aged 44 cd8

vest and shorts phase:
40someMum age43 cd 14 (post m/c)
Diege age 40 cd 16 (post m/c)
Louisesh age 39 cd 23,ttc#1 1mmc ,2mcs and Georgie (stillborn 10/10/10 at 41 weeks,2days).ttc 2years,10 months.

Slanket phase:
muchlove Age 43 cd CD 19
Curlylox 43 cd24
Jolls age 42 cd22 (ttc#2 for 17 months (3 MMC))
tel1 aged 41 cd 26 16dpo !!!! waiting for update

On the bench
Gum Aged 43 5weeks (ttc for 6 months)
Tank aged 40 8 weeks

Waiting or MIA:
italiangreyhound age 45 - cd ? waiting .....
Rowing: age? cd?
10000ff age? cd?
HairyTriangle age 42 (recent MMC )
Porth age 43 TTC2
BB age 40 ? cheerleading squad
Desty ? age 43 ? ttc#3
mmetracyt ? age 40 (lost 1st to T13 last year)

Up-duffed!:
Alba age42 baby boy ? 34 weeks pg
Spiral queen
Lunaticfringe baby ? 24 weeks
Lia66 age 44 baby girl - 23 weeks pg

Holding babe in arms!
TFLS age 41 baby boy Charlie 30/9/10
ILGH age 40 baby girl Genevieve 4/10/10
Kiwikat age 44 baby girl Georgia 5/11/10

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galwaygal · 28/11/2010 20:15

spooky moment for me today.....

I know I am not the only wierd one here, so here goes with my long explanation -

After my last early m/c, I had a strong feeling God was telling me (for those who don't believe in God insert 6th sence here!) that I would not be getting pregnant again until Christmas. This was an encouragement for me to get dieting (as for the last two years since my youngest was born, I have not been able to loose weight). And despite for the last year+ being pregnant when barely looking at my husband, shagging only once in the month and outside of the fertile time, and still getting pregnant each month. So this thought of not getting pregnant again for a few months was wierd enough. Anyway, it happened I did not get pregnant, this was novel and as you know prompted me to decide to stop ttc too.

Well I have been quite successful, I have lost half a stone in weight, feel much more confident and happy to be putting ttc behind me and looking ahead to a happier healthier 2011. Grin

So this month, I was determined, but I am ill and on antibiotics so need condoms for preventing pregnancy. Well I had not had sex with my dh for three weeks, so when cd10 was here, I told him he would have to use a condom. Well it was not very successful, but I thought well hey, not oving yet so should be ok anyway.

Then suddenly cd11, ovulation..... arrggggg!!!!!

OK fast forward to today, we are putting christmas tree up (it is snowing afterall!), and as I unpack one of the bags with tinsel in what do I find inside, but a blue baby sock!!!! Confused, must have been there for the last two Christmas's. Then I look on the sock what is written "Next baby"...... Shock. I got a very tingly feeling down my spine..........

Please, having made the decision to stop ttc and feeling really at ease with it all, this would be irony beyond irony, if my sixth sence feeling about being pregnant at christmas came true.!!!!!

Someone slap me round the face and tell me not to be so stupid as to think that a baby sock in a christmas box is a "sign from God"!

Anyway, could not resist but to come and give you all a laugh about it! The idiot who is not ttc, gets spooked by a baby's sock. Wink

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TankGiirl · 28/11/2010 20:48

OMG GG am going to be so beside myself if you're pg... I get spooky sixth sense messages too (usually horrible stuff though). So I dither between believing them, and hope this means you WILL BE PG, and it is sign that all will be well....

How about some reiki? I'm finding it all rather calming......

40someMum · 28/11/2010 21:59

gg you made ME tingle big time - fingers crossed eh ? x

diege you and i can be cycle buddies - have you ANY idea whereabouts you are in said cycle, i am lost at sea cycle-wise but v tearful

louise - lamb x I have NO wise words but that tomorrow WILL be better - thinking of you

gumblossom · 28/11/2010 22:38

GG, I love your little sign from God/the universe! Love it. Can't wait for Christmas - not because I like it much (dread it actually due to dysfunctional family)but to see if you get bfp. It'd be quite a nice little present.

I had a similar thing happen, but it was ages ago. A friend and I used to meet for coffee regularly to commiserate about our issues. She was having trouble with a relationship and i had the unfulfilled baby-lust. Any way I had a little "vision"(have had a few in my life-time) that I would be pregnant at her wedding. A while afterwards I got pregnant with DS but she didn't get married and I thought my vision was obviously a mistake.

Well, would you believe she just announced her engagement, getting married in March!Hoping that means that this is a sticky baby.I've been feeling a bit sicker, so hoping all's well.

Lou and 40some, sorry to hear you are feeling crappy.

Deige - pavlova must be one of the easiest things to make.As long as you've got an appliance to do the whipping for you, honestly it is easier than making a cake. It's my stand-by for whenever we have to take a dessert somewhere cos it is easy.I'm no pastry-chef!

I had a quick look at the "Blossom" web-site (it's on the shopping pages of mumsnet") - some lovely stuff but very expensive - is it particularly nice? We don't have that brand in Australia.

40someMum · 28/11/2010 23:00

my kitchenaid makes light work of meringues - aga also comes into its own ....lovely crisp shiny but chewy middles yum!

Italiangreyhound · 29/11/2010 02:12

Louise thinking of you.

GG whoah ahoaha! that means nothing it is just sounds of amazement! Whatever happens all the best.

Tank thanks for your prayers. My dear friend who is virtually housebound but is also a clinical psycologist (or was when working)thinks my mind may hold the clues and suggests holding out when I am hanging out for a chocolate and seeing what my feelings are! This actualy makes a lot of sense and I think I will do is. Working out what is driving me! It is (I am sure) comfort eating. I am very happy and normal (ha ha) now but as a child and teenager I was very shy and my friend thinks I am mothering myself to make up for the past a bit. I know it sounds wacky but you know it makes sense. She also pointed out sugar is like a drug (the way the body) craves it, so I had better stay away from your cheesecake trolly - but under normal circumstances would have loved to visit.

Love and hugs and baby dust to all.

Grin Wink Smile

tel1 · 29/11/2010 13:03

well girls, had all the signs, but still no AF.

so after, 15 months of trying,one miscarriage, something dodgy showing on my scans, row with dh for being too tired to swi on the right days, and nearing my 42 b-day... I've had a faint bfp this morning - ok its on an ebay cheapy... but its a start isn't it..?
not going to tell anyone... and now just silently praying that all goes ok... worried every time I go to the loo that I'll see blood.
can't tell dh as he won't let me try again if I miscarry..
its going to be a very long 12 weeks....

hairyfairylights · 29/11/2010 13:48

congrats tel1

and GG what a lovely story I am a bit tingly too now :)

Hello again, its been a while.

well, at forty two, I have got pregnant twice in six months and had two (different) miscarriages!

The first they thought was ectopic - very slow rising HCG and the second was a missed Miscarraige found at 10 weeks to have stopped growing at 8.5 weeks.

So I am now TTC again and hoping (wailing at doctors til they cave in) for tests for recurrent miscarriage.

Hope you are all ok!

randomimposter · 29/11/2010 16:02

great news tel
spooky stuff GG
welcome back hairy do you want to join the roll call for real?

Cheesed off here; CD1, another short cycle 22 days. Had a fair bit of SWI last month, and should have started early enough. Know it's unrealistic but had hoped to fall pg really quickly again having done so 3of4 times before. BUT need to re-focus, go and get results of inordinately expensive MC tests, start seeing acupuncturist, stop drinking and stop being Octavia Ostrich.

Love to all - gotta go, DS being a pickle.

baggy pants:
Jolls age 42 cd1 (ttc#2 for 18 months (3 MMC))
Spottysox: Age43 cd7
Hippy aged 44 cd8

vest and shorts phase:
40someMum age43 cd 15 (post m/c)
Diege age 40 cd 17 (post m/c)
Louisesh age 39 cd 24,ttc#1 1mmc ,2mcs and Georgie (stillborn 10/10/10 at 41 weeks,2days).ttc 2years,10 months.

Slanket phase:
muchlove Age 43 cd CD 20
Curlylox 43 cd25

On the bench
tel1 aged 41 BFP 29/11
Gum Aged 43 5weeks (ttc for 6 months)
Tank aged 40 8 weeks

Waiting or MIA:
italiangreyhound age 45 - cd ? waiting .....
Rowing: age? cd?
10000ff age? cd?
HairyTriangle age 42 (recent MMC )
Porth age 43 TTC2
BB age 40 ? cheerleading squad
Desty ? age 43 ? ttc#3
mmetracyt ? age 40 (lost 1st to T13 last year)

Up-duffed!:
Alba age42 baby boy ? 34 weeks pg
Spiral queen
Lunaticfringe baby ? 24 weeks
Lia66 age 44 baby girl - 23 weeks pg

Holding babe in arms!
TFLS age 41 baby boy Charlie 30/9/10
ILGH age 40 baby girl Genevieve 4/10/10
Kiwikat age 44 baby girl Georgia 5/11/10

hairyfairylights · 29/11/2010 16:45

Hi, Jolls, I think I'll wait til my cycle does something - not sure where I am as I have had ERPC. Confused

hippychick66 · 29/11/2010 17:06

Sorry i haven't been on much. Have read back and there is so much I need to say.

tel1 Many congrats - get your bum over to the bench, my dear.

jolls maybe best that you didn't get preggers this month as you're still having tests. But I totally get your disappointment. How sweet that you say your son is a pickle - blimey i have much worse names for my boys Grin

louise so sorry your having a hard time. This is not a good time of year for people who are already in emotional pain. Lots of good advise from the girlies on here. I agree with tank this is not the life you ordered, I so hope that within a year or so things will be so v ery different for you and your DH and a beautiful baby will be in your arms.

hairy glad your back but so sorry for the reason - IYSWIM. I understand you pushing for tests but the reality is you really could have just had bad luck as the MC's were different. My MMC was 11.5 weeks and my little one only got to about 8 weeks, I think that is a common point for the foetus to stop. It is heartbreaking i know. I really hope you are getting over the EPRC. You're still a spring chicken to me and you ahve time to make yourself a lovely little sticky embryo, honest.

italian no advise from here I'm afraid - i am not the waif like girl I once was. I really hope you get the umphff from somewhere to kick start your diet so that you can give the doner egg your very best in about 6 months) - but I do understand how flippin' hard it is to diet when cakes and sweets are around.

GG spooky. I like the fact that the sock said NEXT baby. They put it on there to advertise their shop but you have turned it around to be a secret message. I do stuff like that too. I sincerely hope you're right. Despite feeling ok about not trying, no one can blame you for wishing for a little xmas miracle.

diege I am expecting to ovulate in the next few days - cathc me up please!!!

BB Are we still synchronised?

ladies on the bench Budge up ther are gonna be loads of xmas BFP's and we are all gonna need to sit there. Grin

Sorry if I missed you out.

hairyfairylights · 29/11/2010 17:12

Aw, what a lovely message, thank you hippy - I am heartened to think it might just be bad luck - two different types of MC, and all the doctors said most likely very bad luck.

Liska · 29/11/2010 17:39

Hallo ladies, can I join, please? I'm 43 (44 in 3 weeks) have dd of 3 1/2, been ttc number 2 for 18 months. Just back from hospital - told what I already knew that 1. I probably have endemetriosis (like durr, that's what I've been telling them) and that 2. I may just be too old and my eggs have shrivelled.

I knew that, of course, and most of the time I'm all upbeat and putting a brave face on it, and being very very grateful that I already have my fab dd. But right now I'm just in floods of tears. dd wants a sibling more than anything in the world, and I just want a baby, and I'm so sick of all the smug yummy mummies with their effing double buggies round here I could scream. Especially when they tell me I have no idea how tiring it is with two and I want to punch them.

So I came to mumsnet and found you lot. Any thoughts much appreciated.

louisesh · 29/11/2010 18:44

Hi liska you ve come to the right place for support . Sorry you re feeling crap.

Hi jolls sorry cd1 is always the worst , I find.

Hi diege hope you re well?

Yeh huge congrats tel1 fx for you xx

Hi gumblossom, 40somemum and gg sorry If I ve missed anyone .

Hi hippy hope you re ok?

Hi hairy Soo sorry you re here I pushed to be investigated for recurrent mcs after 2 , partly , as I was 38/39 and also as I work in the trust as a sister Soo I pushed.

Hi muchlove, tank and Italian hope you re all plodding on and not too cold!!!

Ladies , thank you a million for all your invaluable advice and concern. Felt a bit better yesterday have decided to put those friendsout of my life and mind for now . Dh is to delete them from fb so we can't see when they get their " perfect" baby. Went to cinema yesterday and did " normal " stuff. Had a lovely chat with my practice nurse today, who I know from the gym. Phyically I am absolutely fine post Georgie . She had a baby die at 3 weeks 28 years ago from strep b meningitis and we had a long chat about grieving and how I m feeling. She invited me back in 2 weeks for a chat she was Soo down to earth and honest . I feel like , though , I knew her before shes another new friend I ve accquired through my darling Georgie .

Again , thanks very much you wise women ( not carrying gold , frankincense or whatever the 3 rd wise man bought to the party !!!)

galwaygal · 29/11/2010 18:48

tel - congrats, great to see another person on the bench!

hairyfairy - good to see you here, but again as already said sorry for the reason you are back. I hope that things get back to normal quickly for you physically.

Liska - hi, and welcome. Always good to have more folks. Are the medics going to do anything about the endometriosis? I hope that we can help encourage you.

On the topic of my baby sock finding, I really am quite hopeful of NOT getting pregnant, I can hardly believe it, but I am really quite at peace with everything now. I have realised that my dream is no longer possible, and that getting pregnant and having a baby now, would not be fulfilling my dream family dynamics, but would be hard work and I am not sure I want it anymore!!!! Shock. A few months back I would have thought that a baby was the only way I would feel happy again. It has taken time, but I am now happy with where I am, and I really would be Confused unsure as to how I would feel if I were to have a baby now. Also, with the recurrent miscarriages, I can't see myself having a blissful pregnancy either. Hey-ho, what ever will be, will be. But I really will not be disappointed to not be pregnant, and for the sock to just be a lost sock found! Smile

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galwaygal · 29/11/2010 18:51

louisesh - x-post, pleased to read that you had a better day today, and good that you have got someone in reallife that is so understanding too.

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OctaviaOstrichJollster · 29/11/2010 21:23

louise great to hear you having a better day... you ARE doing brilliantly, I know you've had some wobbles, but that is absolutely to be expected and necessary to recovery. Can I be the third wise man, bringing Green&Blacks in catering quantities...?

Hippy you are oh so wise; yes it would be ridiculous to have got pg before getting my results. I'm just impatient and unrealistic and dumb!

liska I SO get the double buggy thing. They make me start to snarl... it's just unfair. Welcome. We're in a similar boat. Mine's a dinghy. What's yours like?

hi to all you lovelies; due snow here in Brighton tomorrow, but they've been saying that for days... :) Hmm

hippychick66 · 29/11/2010 21:41

octavia Loving the new name darlink...

Yes I am so bloody wise arn't I? Why doesn't my feckin' husband think so???

BearBearBearBear Just spotted them.

liska i am 44, have had endo for many years and am also fearful that my eggs are all dried up. Welcome welcome, will chat soon I'm sure.

GG Oh how I'd love to feel happy with my lot. Alas i am still in the... can I just have one more stage. But maybe if it doesn't happen soon I might try and join you in your zen like state. DO NOT wander off though - we are all too thick to do the list.

hairy I do think it could be just bad luck aas an ectopic is a whole different problem to an embryo that fails to progress. Come on lovie it's gonna be third time lucky for you and me - yay - Hippy throws in another Bear just for the hell of it.

Well hubbie and I were going to ease ourselves into SWI (ha Ha no pun intended). We were going to start tonight to get ourselves re-aquanted with it all. Cos I've been on AF. I thought it might be good to ... ah herm clear the pipes Blush. eg. get rid of all the old knackered troops and make way for soem young blood. Alas, the whole getting the DC's in the shower and in bed took an age tonight and we are now both feeling jaded and thinking, maybe tomorrow.

diege Shag-fest Wednesday - be there or be square.

Sorry if all this is jibberish to our newer mebers - you'll get the hang of my nonsense soon enough.

ladies on the bench - look after your beanies.

Snow is due here tomorrow too. tank I'm guessing snow is kinda old hat for you - you've already got it up there - right?

octavia did you have to re-join to change your name or do you still keep the jolly profile. (You're always jolly to me! Bear)

hippychick66 · 29/11/2010 21:42

Bear they're just soo cute.

hairyfairylights · 29/11/2010 22:26

hey hippy Bear Bear Bear :)

the first one is suspected ectopic, they never did find out, could have been in the womb and not thrived, but it didn't thrive very early if that's the case

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