More ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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I've started a new thread!

Hi ladies.

I tried to read the thread about sas but I've just ended up in tears. It's all so horrible. I totally believe she is who she says she is and that Catherine died the way she says she did. I guess it is possible that she may have used other names in the past and I know she has a tendancy to get a bit heated on some threads but I HATE that people are questioning Catherine's death. It's all so horrible, I know the people on her bereavement thread are devastated and I like to think that she was very much one of us on here too and it's awful that she's gone.

Maybe we'll just never know exactly what happened regarding the previous MN names.

Anyway, as for me. CD 27 here. I started spotting a couple of days ago but it is still only light brown. I know if anyone else was saying this I'd be all like, "Oh maybe your preggers!" etc. But my boobs are so normal that I'm sure I'm not. I do seem to be having longer cycles now (26 last month) so expect AF to arrive properly today.

Also judging by the fact that I'm sobbing away about SAS - i'd say AF is defo due .

italian did you test in the end today?

I feel quite pissed off about how long it's taking to get this last baby (sorry italian I know that seems totally stupid to you). It's just getting pregnant and staying pregnant before was so bloody easy and now here I am, I know it's only 4 months since my last BFP but it's 15 months since I had the coil taken out.

I totally agree with you diege the early part of the cycle feels safe and worry-free. If I decide to stop trying for a last baby I look forward to a whole cycle of those kind of days.

3 senior schools to look at this week - oh joy!

Love to all. We are such a strong group and I really value all your friendships (you see AF is defo coming ).

Hugs for Hippy... in fact hugs for all of us. It's all a bit shitty frankly.

DS very unusually has fallen asleep for a daytime nap, so am sitting here contemplating chores, having munched pate for lunch, but will probably have just enough MN/FB/online shopping catch-up time before he wakes. Besides it'll only need cleaning again tomorrow.... .

Am also listening to the Ryder Cup. I bloody LOVE the Ryder Cup. It reminds me of my darling dad. God I miss him :(

Hope Monday ok in your corner of the world. x

cd8 here - is it really worth starting the SMEp when I don't usually ov til day 19ish? please tell me it isn't- I'm knackered!

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you hippy just in case...

I am thinking of doing cosmic ordering - is that completely mad???

for Jolls. It's a bit grey here isn't it? sums up my mood pretty much too. We need some prosecco in the snug I think this evening. (or even now actually - would enliven the school run anyway).

Oh and my au pair left. I have NO childcare!! she left last week so we are runinng around like madmen, being in two places at once, relying on favours from everyone. (5 children at 3 different schools, 1 nursery, 2 working parents aargh!!!. )

beattie i guess she just couldn't get the image of you two 'at it' out of her head after all

i would say have a break from the day 8 thing if you arn't gonna ov for the next 11 days - but that's only my humble opinion.

jolls Hugs back at you (()). I miss my Dad too.

It will get better in here and we will all cheer up soon. BFP's for everyone!!

I found a soup in M&S called Super greens soup. Very yummy but god only knows what colour my wee will be next time

Hi all,
I just wanted to pop in and join in a big group hug about Sassy.
I have been feeling so weird all day thinking about the whole trolling thing and I just don't know what to believe.
I think the fact that she lives in Edinburgh makes it seem more unnerving.
I'm really me though, honest!

BB - I am so nieve I just had to google "prosecco" - it is an italian wine incase anyone else doesnot know either, a champagne substitute apparently.... wow, see even at my age I can learn something new Also, I think if you routinely ov late, then starting a few days late with the smeplan would be sensible.

40some - lets not think about birthdays yet, but how can we plan a surprise party for you here???? we will have to be inventive for you.

hippy - I had normal boobs when preggers with my dd..... so just because your boobs still feel like your own rather than diege's, that doesn't mean you are definiately out yet. Keep poking at your boobs, they will get sore for you!

Jolls - love your attitude to the cleaning today, I did that last friday, felt great just doing nothing!

Rowing - glad you came to the snug here for the group hug, yep the sass thing has been hard for us all. I wonder if we will ever know the truth of the situation. Horrible no matter what way you look at it.

I am feeling randy already,,,, need to pounce on dh tonight I think. wondering whether to be subtle or blatent???? Anyway, you lot really don't need to know that anyway!

GG exits the snug, leaving behind a plate of profiteroles to go with the prosecco. And a jug of water with lemon for Italian, as she fell off the wagon

I know it's not what anyone wants to hear but am so looking forward to my AF coming.....wonder whether I'm menopausal.....as I have in fact missed a period. I suppose I'll have to just wait and see (whistling to myself and twiddling thumbs)

40somemum Happy birthday, is it a big one like 21 again?!

Hippy I am sorry the Sassy thing has hit you so hard. I, for one, do believe the whole thing, regardless of any previous names or whatever, but at the end of the day there are many people who are devastated by losing a child, both here in the UK and in many other places where people lose several children! I heard on the radio of a woman interviewed after the Pakistan floods the reporter said she said something like, my husband may be rebuilding our house, and I may be walking around but my life ended when my two teenage daughters were lost! I don?t say that to depress you at all, just to say that this very, very sad reality is a reality for many people around the world. What Sassy did for me was bring it home in terms I could understand and I think she has made me appreciate my DD more, made me more aware of how to help people who are grieving (for example one of my best friend?s emailed to say her dad had died today and as soon as I got the message I got on the phone to speak to her. I know KNOW that the death of a father is not the same as the death of a child but Sassy?s writing on her blog have made me even more aware of how important it is to mark these terrible things, comment on them (and I lost my own dad several years ago so I really should know!). Anyway, I guess what I am saying is that for me sassy?s legacy will be a real appreciation of my DD, a real awareness of people who are bereaved and an increased awareness of the dangers of chicken Pox. Even though I may have known these things before I now feel they are more real! I hope that brings you some comfort. God Bless.

Jolly I agree, housework only needs to be re-done, what else could we think of that needs to be done every few days, has no joy and just stops us living in dust!

Beattie what is cosmic ordering? Is it ordering a baby from the universe? I have no idea how that works. I would never want to tell people not to do things that they think would help (as long as it is not anything to do with black magic! but I would say, it may not be helpful. I think the idea of ?our? babies hanging around the cosmos waiting to be born is not helpful. But if it helps then of course read up on it! I am currently reading Inconceivable: A Woman's Triumph Over Despair and Statistics by Julia Indichova it is really good and helpful (to me).

Galwaygirl, thanks for the water, yum, can I chew the lemon too!

Curlylox yes my AF is missing too! Someone on here maybe has them both! Re-tested again tonight and still not pregnant, so AF is just missing in action! No worries. Back on straight and narrow, a pear for dessert tonight! (I mean a piece of fruit not two of something!)
All the best all you lovely gals - Gum (where are you?), Diege, and Sassy.

Morning all.

Am trying to move on from the sassy thing; spent too long reading the thread in Chat yesterday: alarmed at the twists and turns. Just horrid.

Am procrastinating about calling up and making appointments for MC tests. Have reverted to my natural ostrich status.... .

MUST start eating better (or rather, cutting out the crap, and reducing or eliminating the vino). MUST start folic acid again. MUST get a grip!!!!

Who's 2ww? I think we need another BFP to boost us up.

Tarra for now - really have to start cleaning x

italian put that lemon down it has a calorie or 2 in it!

Thanks for what you said about sassy. I totally agree with you. I often think of her when I'm with my kids and I give them a hug cos I am soooo lucky to be able to do that whenever I want to (well the school gets a bit miffed if you keep dragging them out of class for a hug but you get the idea).

I also feel that if, god forbid, someone in my real life were to lose a child i would be slightly better equipped to talk to them having learnt from sas that it's best to just say something and show comfort and let the bereaved person talk. I agree that we may never know the whole sassysusan story but if it is all true and she has lost her daughter (which i believe) then she deserves comfort and care from those around her in real life. i will probably never forget her, especially when I go past TK Maxx.

I don't think that it hit me harder than anyone else on here, I think it was just the timing with AF arriving yesterday. I have told DH we have to go back to that caravan in a couple of weeks - we did our best work there Next time someone updates - i'm CD2 but not feeling brave enough to tackle the list!!

GG I didn't know what prosecco was either . But then I am probably the chavies one on here (you all seem so damn intelligent!) Am guzzling it down now though.

rowing thanks for popping in, can we temp you to hang around for a while. I'd love to hear how things are with you. Here's a big hug to tempt you (((())))

Re: cosmic ordering. I do believe this was made famous by the rather lovely Noel Edmonds (that's a joke by the way - I do not have a thing for him or bloody Simon Cowell). Anyway, he is said to have asked the universe for work when Swap Shop or Funny House or whatever had finished and he was rewarded by Deal or No Deal. (My DH HATES that programme but I always get strangely drawn in!)

I did try this a while ago. You just say to yourself what you want most and ask the universe to bring it to you. I would say italian that it is a bit like praying to God but without the God bit IYSWIM. I don't think it's dabbling in black magic or the like it's more affirming what you want and maybe by saying it out loud it makes you yourself more determined to get it.

I just lay in bed one night and imagined us living by the sea with an extra little person in the house and then I asked outloud for that to happen. I think I ended up crying but hey, nothing new there!!

ps. jolly you did make me laugh when you were saying what things could be hard to believe on this thread and you mentioned my hypocondria - haha. on that subject - when i turn my head to the left there is a loud click do you think I need to worry????

Much love to all. lunatic and mslucy how are the pregnancies going? lia I know you're having a very tough time right now, if you're reading this I hope you are ok.
alba when i said i was reading the prego seciton and hating them all I didn't mean you - HONEST! xxx

Sorry jolls I didn't see your post cos I was busy yakking away on mine.

I definitely think you need to get those tests sorted. You always get pregnant quite quickly so as soon as you've done the tests you could be back on the horse .

I can't imagine how it must feel to have had 3 MMC, i only know that I am fearful of another BFP, so it must be even harder for you.

I really hope the tests are helpful and you can find out something that will mean you can go into the next pregnancy with a bit more confidence.

Take care my little Brighton Babe. xx

oh hippy you're so lovely.
popped back on to say was embarrassed revealing my procrastination and it made me call both the EPU and the private clinic... message machines at both, but at least I've got off the blocks.

Right, where was I? Oh yes, litter trays... x

Yes, I am lovely arn't I - or am i????

Yes, of course I bloody am.

I hope the clinics come back to you soon. Good idea to do both private and NHS at the same time - might save a bit of time and get the ball rolling.

I know we are meant to be leaving the sassy thing but I did look at that thread again today _ arrgghhh car crash TV.

They keep saying about her style and how she picked on people and drew them in to arguments etc. And yes, I have seen her get very argumentative and a bit rude (but usually only when discussing very emotive subjects), but she was never like that on here. And they keep saying she never mentioned a DH but she did to us. I wanted to say something like that on the thread but really really don't want to get drawn in and anyway it's full!

Enjoy the litter trays!!!

Do ya want me ta clear ya U bend, Love ?????

Jolly yes, do get those tests. I was very pleased that my clinic took my questions about immunology seriously and have now written to my doctor. So we may get a few tests on the NHS. I have an appointment with the doctor next week to see which he will do.

My hands have been stiff on and off for 20 years and it now looks like this may have some bearing on something or other. I am reading two fertility books simultaneously, one is Inconceivable and the other is called' Baby Next Time' www.amazon.co.uk/Baby-Next-Time-Nicole-Klieff/dp/1434395138
Anyway, working my way through them. The book group are reading Twilight and I just could not face another vampire book (no I have not read any, they do not appeal, I was vaguely tempted as it seems to have had a good press by some, and bad by others). Can?t quite work out if my aversion to Potter and Twilight is a spiritual one (not liking anything ?wicked? as my daughter would put it!) or a jealously of the fact they are hugely popular (in my mind I am a writer) or the realisation that I am not either 10 or 13 or 15!

Sassy we are stoking the fire for you.

I know the sassy thread filled up and not sure if another appeared, it is weird the way people keep coming on and saying that is enough now, no more, as if they have the right to stop discussion. In one sense I think discussion will die out and trying to stifle it does not help. Remember my husband said he thought you were all truckers from slough called Dave! I think the whole discussion thread chat forum thingy is one where we take people on face value. The reality is we don?t tell each other everything do we! When I first came on with my sleek Italian name I expect you all thought I was tall and thin and dark and Italian, well I am dark but not tall, not Italian and certainly not thin! As we all now know!

Rowing good to see you on here, it?s so different from assisted conception! Assisted conception it?s like one message a day or two, here it?s like 20 a day!

Gum where are you?

Love to you all - and hippy we?ve just paid about 80 quid to get our leek fixed if I?d known you was a plumber I would ?av called you round!

Sorry that should be
Baby Next Time'
by Nicole Kleiff

Sorry that post was a bit me, me, me!

I am at home with a poorly child today. She got a lot less poorly after we got away from school. I think she is not settling in well at all, which is a shame because she did so well last year.

italian - any time darlin'!

Sorry to hear about your daughter not being happy at school. What is the teacher like? Worth having a word?

I liked that book inconveivable - hope you are reading cos I recommended it on here - makes me a book critic!

I have to dash cos I am meant to be doing a letter and 2 emails and if I get on here I'll do neither. Once I pick the kids up my 10 year old will take the laptop and I'll have no more chance. Yes, I do realise that i am the adult but he always argues that I've had it all day and I've gotta say - he's right, I've been on MN all day!!

We went to see the school opposite us last night. Despite moaning about the total hooligans we see leaving the place daily, we thought it was not as bad as we had expected. Unbelievably we were once agian the last to leave and had to actually be asked to go (oh the shame!)

We have another one tonight and another one on Thursday. NONE have compared to the one we chose in our beloved IOW. (which is a good thing).

PS. I'm not really off to do emails I'm off to fix Mrs Wotsit's leaking toilet!

Group whoop for Octavia Ostrich pls. NHS appointment at high noon tomorrow to get bloods ball rolling, private clinic appt in 2 weeks. Right, must go and get DS from nursery. Love to all xx

whoop whoop - well done Mrs Ostrich!

Just realised it says NHS tomorrow and private in 2 weeks. How weird is that???

well done Jolls!

I am also adopting ostrich approach and not phoning my drs for my blood results. I don't want to know if my eggs are crap!

Hi again,
sorry I've not really been on the pooter that much and quite frankly we are not bothered about TTC the normal way.
I don't care if I'm ovulating or not, it's great!

Sorry there are no more BFPs, but keeping my fingers crossed for you all.

I'm planning to go over for the embryo adoption in November and am having blood tests blah blah. Dreading it really, having to get back on that emotional see-saw. [shudders]

Good luck with all the test results ladies.

GG you rock!

rowing really good to see you... thanks for popping in.

BB you can be Olivia Ostrich if you like ...

Hippy - I deliberately wanted to get at least some of the NHS stuff underway first, then 1) I won't be a complete novice at terms and tests by the time I see the private consultant. 2) Maybe I can save some pennies if I've already had some tests done (even if no results in) on the NHS .

A friend of mine texted me tonight - she is 9 weeks pg, discovered the day before she had her first IVF appointment! After 2+years TTC#2, Clomid, ICSIx2... am really pleased for her. She's 40, so would be in our gang :)

Anyhoo, early night for me, was out for dinner with some girlfriends last night, and am out of practice!!

Hope everyone ok xx

beattie what tests did you have to find out if your eggs were crap or good. I thought they could only give you an idea of how many were left rather than their quality ????

That's why i've always avoided tests cos I figured knowing how many eggs wouldn't help to know if they were any good - IYSWIM.

rowing Wow, embryo adoption sounds exciting. I'll bet italian will be interested to hear how that's going, it sounds like something she has looked into - I think.

I will try to get a BFP for this thread this month - blimey we deserve it. Anyone want to join me????