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Entitled male relatives who contribute nothing to Christmas

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GooseyGandalf · 14/12/2025 09:12

We’re having dh’s dps for Christmas this year. Mil will bring something thoughtful, gifts for us all, that she has picked, bought and wrapped, offer to help in the kitchen, make lovely comments about the food. In previous years she has hosted for the extended family.

Fil will come. If any of the food isn’t up his liking he will pull a face. He will accept gifts, making his opinions obvious on them, as mil tuts at him and tries to redirect our attention, and at no point will he contribute anything to the occasion. Gifts are of course from both of them, but he will have no idea, or interest, in what they are. It’s obvious mil is entirely responsible.

When we were first married mil would correct my cooking choices, in line with fils preferences. I’m very happy to accommodate allergies, intolerances, preferences, vegans, and arfid - I like my guests to feel welcome. I went along with it, for mil and dh’s sake because they probably wouldn’t visit as much if I didn’t, and we’d have to stay with them more often instead, which is worse.

The entitlement sets my teeth on edge. Mil will be almost apologetic for coming at all, conscious of the workload, and he will just arrive and sit there, the great family patriarch and everyone plays along with it.

Including me.

When dinner is served, he will automatically seat himself at the head of the table, taste the turkey and there will be a pause, while everyone waits to see if he approves, and mil will relax and dh beam proudly at me and I’ll try not to get stabby.

It’s a small enough thing in the greater scheme and not particularly unusual in his generation (though nothing like my lovely df, or even my gf) and not worth causing a row about. Just getting it off my chest here, in the hopes of getting through another Christmas without exploding.

Does anyone else have the honour of hosting a Great Male Guest this Christmas?

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GiantTeddyIsTired · 14/12/2025 10:10

Without DH's participation - in fact I presume he colludes with MIL (and your SILs) to continue to support your FIL, there's not much you can do.

Does he at least carve? If he's sat at the head, that's the least he could do. When my ex-not-FIL pulled this kind of stunt I absolutely handed him the meat and the knife and told him it was the head of the table's job to carve.. Meant that he actually had to share properly and make sure there was plenty for everyone, and couldn't start eating until everyone else was ready, so it served many purposes, but sounded like an honour :)

Appleseason · 14/12/2025 10:10

My FIL is like this. DH plays along.
I do not.

Upsetbetty · 14/12/2025 10:10

JacknDiane · 14/12/2025 09:15

I'll give you an alibi.

And ill give her the shovel 🤣

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 14/12/2025 10:10

OhamIreally · 14/12/2025 10:07

You could set a place with a big throne chair, big golden goblet and golden cutlery. And a crown to wear.

LMAO!

MrsWhites · 14/12/2025 10:10

It’s not just men who behave like this, my late father in law was an absolute gentleman, would play on the floor with the kids whilst I was busy, would offer to help with anything he could and would always be complimentary of anything I offered food wise.

MIL on the other hand walks in, sits down on the sofa, doesn’t move for days other than to tilt her head in the direction of the kitchen to shout for another cup of tea. Whilst staying with us the first time years ago over Christmas she complained how uncomfortable our spare room was whilst announcing that my DH’s ex wife (nothing to do with me) had a beautiful spare room and makes a lovely cup of tea!

SwanRivers · 14/12/2025 10:11

GooseyGandalf · 14/12/2025 09:53

December is his busiest time of year, long hours, lot of stress so the gift buying, decorating and planning falls mostly to me, and he’s very appreciative of that.

Once he gets holidays, he pitches in with the prep, cleaning etc. He won’t let me lift a finger on the 26th.

He won't let you lift a finger on Boxing Day?

Well that's mighty big of him 🙄

Lots of men and women work very hard during December but they get on with it and share the shopping, prep, cleaning and cooking because otherwise Christmas isn't going to happen for them.

You're focusing so hard on your FIL that you can't see what's happening under your own nose.

Expect better and eventually you'll get it.

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 14/12/2025 10:11

Upsetbetty · 14/12/2025 10:10

And ill give her the shovel 🤣

I'll be a hold-out on the jury. 🤣

AngelinaFibres · 14/12/2025 10:12

NewNameforThisPost2025 · 14/12/2025 10:09

I haven't heard about any of those. Such as?

Google 'the pen incident'. Happened during the hand over period after the queen died.

CraftyPlayer · 14/12/2025 10:12

That gave me the rage just reading. Who the hell does he think he is? Do not let him sit there and do not serve him first!

HoppityBun · 14/12/2025 10:13

Tryingtokeepgoing · 14/12/2025 10:02

Alternatively, it’s not too late to just buy a round dining table. That’d confuse him 😂

Could you carve the turkey at the head of the table so he can’t sit down there?

Luckyingame · 14/12/2025 10:13

Couldn't be bothered with this bullshit, would rather spend Christmas by myself.
Full stop.

PuttingOnMyPositivePants · 14/12/2025 10:14

JacknDiane · 14/12/2025 09:15

I'll give you an alibi.

Me too!!

holdingontoholidays · 14/12/2025 10:14

Jellycatspyjamas · 14/12/2025 09:17

It’s your home, have a seating plan so he isn’t at the head of the table, serve him
last, ask him to sort drinks for people, don’t sit in worshipful silence. He may well be entitled bit it sounds like you all know your places and play out this scene year after year, he can only play his part while you all play yours.

Absolutely all of this.

Melonmango70 · 14/12/2025 10:15

I'd swap my dining table for a round one, where no-one can sit at the "head" of the table!

GiddyDog · 14/12/2025 10:15

This thread makes me want to go and hug my lovely lovely FIL who circulates the room being the warmest host imaginable, can't see anyone with an empty wine glass and is still exclaiming with delight every time he pulls out the Christmas mug set I bought him 15 years ago when I was skint but had to buy something to go to their house when DH and I were dating. He's a joy of a man.

I love MIL too but she's much more of the 'don't bother with me I'll just have a dry cracker' martyr school which makes buying her gifts annoying because the response is always 'ohh you shouldn't have wasted your money on meeee', well I did so just say thank you.

InterestedDad37 · 14/12/2025 10:16

NarnianQueen · 14/12/2025 09:17

I’d start by giving someone else the turkey first, or eating a piece yourself and saying “mmm yummy! Dig in, everyone!” I wouldn’t facilitate his little “I’m the King” ceremony!

Absolutely this - men like this really annoy/amuse/startle/confuse me - especially if its men the same age as me, who've grown up in the same social conditions as me - where the feck do they get this from? Wankers!
Ignore it OP, it's extra mental load, but I'd probably amuse myself by doing whatever I could to undermine and sabotage his expectations of entitlement 👍

FreyasCats · 14/12/2025 10:16

I call it GEES, Great Entitled Elder Syndrome as this is exactly how my mother behaved pretty much her entire life.

Until we were a bit older and could help Dad did all the cooking including Sunday and Christmas dinners despite working full time as a phone engineer which in those days involved manholes and telegraph poles so he must have been exhausted. Mam could just about heat up a pie.

This may actually account for my intense dislike of Christmas time, the happy memories were created by my dad, uncle, and sisters.

This year it's just the two of us and the cat and we're having chicken pie and lasagne and no visitors until at least the 28th.

Liverpool52 · 14/12/2025 10:17

TheSandgroper · 14/12/2025 09:57

Ooh, I have the rage on your behalf. I only ever have my husband sitting at the head of my table. It brings to my mind one of those little Reader’s Digest stories where some woman who livid in the back of Australia’s beyond happened to be entertaining the Governor. After afternoon tea, he proclaimed “thank you, that was so lovely, I look forward to sitting at the head of the dinner table this evening “. She just said “only one man sits at the head of my table and that’s my husband “.

I’m afraid that I wouldn’t be serving dinner until the head of my household was sitting at the head of my table. I wouldn’t make a big deal of it, dinner just wouldn’t be happening until I (the cook!) was happy. Fuck him.

Seriously? Head of your household. That's exactly why men like the Op's FIL exist.

allthingsinmoderation · 14/12/2025 10:17

What does your DH think of his fathers behaviour?
Do you think your MIL.SIL DH ARE frightened of the FIL?

sausagepastapot · 14/12/2025 10:18

I don't take any shit from my il and in fact I have gone nc with my dh's mother as she is such a cunt, as is her horrible husband. It's very freeing! you should try it. you do not have to put up with this utter bullshit

dottiedodah · 14/12/2025 10:18

My late FIL was a dream .Always kind and supportive Mil the same .Shame they have both passed now. Some older men are very entitled, and think of themselves as "heads of household" Did MIL work ,or was she a SAHM ? I think older attitudes are hopefully dying out now. But theres still the odd Dinosaur hanging about!

Crosorbled · 14/12/2025 10:18

This reminds me of the tv programme ‘ Mum ‘ starring Lesley Manville .The grandad was very similar this man. I really would not have the patience to deal with this behaviour any time of the year.

Velvian · 14/12/2025 10:18

Get a round table for the occasion @GooseyGandalf the cheapest one on FB Marketplace, or from freecycle.

Prime your DC to tuck straight into the turkey and be loudly complimentary.

Get DH to do a long toast to you with honourable mention to MIL for providing Xmas for the whole family.

SwanRivers · 14/12/2025 10:21

TheSandgroper · 14/12/2025 09:57

Ooh, I have the rage on your behalf. I only ever have my husband sitting at the head of my table. It brings to my mind one of those little Reader’s Digest stories where some woman who livid in the back of Australia’s beyond happened to be entertaining the Governor. After afternoon tea, he proclaimed “thank you, that was so lovely, I look forward to sitting at the head of the dinner table this evening “. She just said “only one man sits at the head of my table and that’s my husband “.

I’m afraid that I wouldn’t be serving dinner until the head of my household was sitting at the head of my table. I wouldn’t make a big deal of it, dinner just wouldn’t be happening until I (the cook!) was happy. Fuck him.

I’m afraid that I wouldn’t be serving dinner until the head of my household was sitting at the head of my table.

WTF have I just read?

The what of your what???

Blimey.

EmilyWeather · 14/12/2025 10:22

Oh fucking hell OP. You must be an absolute saint. I would literally implode if I had to watch the turkey tasting ritual, even if I wasn't the cook!

Don't put up with it!

And I'm sure your DH is actually really lovely but if he was "beaming proudly" at me because the food I'd slaved over met with his arsehole misogynistic father's approval, I think my vagina would clamp itself shut forever.

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