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Entitled male relatives who contribute nothing to Christmas

443 replies

GooseyGandalf · 14/12/2025 09:12

We’re having dh’s dps for Christmas this year. Mil will bring something thoughtful, gifts for us all, that she has picked, bought and wrapped, offer to help in the kitchen, make lovely comments about the food. In previous years she has hosted for the extended family.

Fil will come. If any of the food isn’t up his liking he will pull a face. He will accept gifts, making his opinions obvious on them, as mil tuts at him and tries to redirect our attention, and at no point will he contribute anything to the occasion. Gifts are of course from both of them, but he will have no idea, or interest, in what they are. It’s obvious mil is entirely responsible.

When we were first married mil would correct my cooking choices, in line with fils preferences. I’m very happy to accommodate allergies, intolerances, preferences, vegans, and arfid - I like my guests to feel welcome. I went along with it, for mil and dh’s sake because they probably wouldn’t visit as much if I didn’t, and we’d have to stay with them more often instead, which is worse.

The entitlement sets my teeth on edge. Mil will be almost apologetic for coming at all, conscious of the workload, and he will just arrive and sit there, the great family patriarch and everyone plays along with it.

Including me.

When dinner is served, he will automatically seat himself at the head of the table, taste the turkey and there will be a pause, while everyone waits to see if he approves, and mil will relax and dh beam proudly at me and I’ll try not to get stabby.

It’s a small enough thing in the greater scheme and not particularly unusual in his generation (though nothing like my lovely df, or even my gf) and not worth causing a row about. Just getting it off my chest here, in the hopes of getting through another Christmas without exploding.

Does anyone else have the honour of hosting a Great Male Guest this Christmas?

OP posts:
JacknDiane · 14/12/2025 09:15

I'll give you an alibi.

Lordofthewing · 14/12/2025 09:15

my FIL is a dream to host. Sorry that your FIL is like this, sadly I have seen this in some families and think it is probably still more common than we believe it to be.
I hope you manage to have a nice Christmas despite him.

TomatoSandwiches · 14/12/2025 09:16

My neighbour is having her patio redoing in the New Year....

Jellycatspyjamas · 14/12/2025 09:17

It’s your home, have a seating plan so he isn’t at the head of the table, serve him
last, ask him to sort drinks for people, don’t sit in worshipful silence. He may well be entitled bit it sounds like you all know your places and play out this scene year after year, he can only play his part while you all play yours.

NarnianQueen · 14/12/2025 09:17

I’d start by giving someone else the turkey first, or eating a piece yourself and saying “mmm yummy! Dig in, everyone!” I wouldn’t facilitate his little “I’m the King” ceremony!

MarymaryquiteC · 14/12/2025 09:19

Sit at the head of the table in YOUR house and taste the dinner YOU cooked because FUCK THAT SHIT.

Do you have kids? You think it's ok for them to see how he behaves and no one says anything?

Unless he's got Alzheimer's or dementia causing him issues of course.

Squirrelchops1 · 14/12/2025 09:19

Jellycatspyjamas · 14/12/2025 09:17

It’s your home, have a seating plan so he isn’t at the head of the table, serve him
last, ask him to sort drinks for people, don’t sit in worshipful silence. He may well be entitled bit it sounds like you all know your places and play out this scene year after year, he can only play his part while you all play yours.

Agreed. There's a thread on here re acts of micro feminism, have a look.
Even giving him the bin bag to clear up the wrapping paper for example. My FIL is 93 and doesn't get away with everything...although does enjoy being spoilt!

Turnitoffnonagain · 14/12/2025 09:20

It's a generational thing, which will hopefully die out in time as we teach our sons differently. I'm surprised you can keep a straight face, tbh. I'd be making sarcastic drum rolls and taking the mickey out of him.
Who made him King? 👑

MarymaryquiteC · 14/12/2025 09:20

TomatoSandwiches · 14/12/2025 09:16

My neighbour is having her patio redoing in the New Year....

Ahhhh hahaha. I have a shovel.

Catzpyjamas · 14/12/2025 09:20

Oh Dear God, yes.
All the older male relatives who have no clue what "they've" bought anyone, who won't do that grateful thanks that most people will when presented with a gift that's not exactly what they would have chosen and who await being served the prefect Christmas dinner with feck all thought of the work that went into it.
We have at least three every year over Christmas and New Year and this year they all have very token gifts as they are not worth the limited brain power I have left after buying for everyone else...

Liverpool52 · 14/12/2025 09:20

You enable it just as much as your MIL if you say nothing.

My FIL is a similarly misogynistic twat. We haven't spoken in a number of years because I called him out on his misogyny.

ACynicalDad · 14/12/2025 09:21

I doubt it’s just Christmas and you poor MIL has him year round. Difference is that she chose him. Have some fun, put out a seating plan, squash him between kids. Fill the silence etc serve ladies first…

MarymaryquiteC · 14/12/2025 09:21

That would ruin my Christmas. Take the advice of the posters RE small shifts. Do not pander this year!!

Holdonforsummer · 14/12/2025 09:22

People need to realise they can choose to do what they want at Christmas! You don’t have to have the in-laws over!! You don’t have to do the same thing every year! I’d sack them right off, at least for a couple of years.

RedToothBrush · 14/12/2025 09:23

Just tell him he's an ungrateful, entitled wanker.

He will want Christmas dinner cooked for him again next year so you have a year to deal with the fallout. It will be fine.

KayPop · 14/12/2025 09:24

NarnianQueen · 14/12/2025 09:17

I’d start by giving someone else the turkey first, or eating a piece yourself and saying “mmm yummy! Dig in, everyone!” I wouldn’t facilitate his little “I’m the King” ceremony!

Serve MIL first, make a big fuss of her and really go overboard. Ask her what she thinks, what she would like. Make sure you ask her if she approves before FIL gets to give his verdict.

Change the pecking order and if she gets embarrassed then say 'you deserve to be thoroughly spoilt! I know DH agrees'.

Oh and put her at the head of the table. Tell her you really want to spoil her today!

MumoftwoNC · 14/12/2025 09:24

Poor MIL, she sounds really nice. You see this man a few times a year but she has to endure him all year round.

I don't have a solution except make sure your dh doesn't turn out the same!

ClaredeBear · 14/12/2025 09:25

As others have said, you absolutely must disrupt the seating plan!

LilyBunch25 · 14/12/2025 09:26

Sod. That.

MzHz · 14/12/2025 09:27

Jellycatspyjamas · 14/12/2025 09:17

It’s your home, have a seating plan so he isn’t at the head of the table, serve him
last, ask him to sort drinks for people, don’t sit in worshipful silence. He may well be entitled bit it sounds like you all know your places and play out this scene year after year, he can only play his part while you all play yours.

Damned right! Seat your H at the head of his own fucking table, hell double down and seat yourself

absolutely serve him last.

let him huff. And yes to giving him jobs to do.

sesquipedalian · 14/12/2025 09:27

OP, unfortunately, you won’t change FIL who is by now set in his ways. I would, however, be effusive over thanking MIL for any help, and make a point of serving her first for Christmas dinner. (FIL might have to be second - guests first.) I did ask my DH what he would do about presents in the event of my demise, and he said he’d just give them all money. Such appears to be the male mindset.

OhDear111 · 14/12/2025 09:27

He’s been allowed to get away with this! Definitely don’t give him the turkey! How ridiculous is that. Get your dh to carve it. Everyone pandering to him has led to this perforce. Just stop it.

PermanentTemporary · 14/12/2025 09:28

In my house the cook sits at the head of the table. The oldest female guest is served first, then other female guests, then male guests, then child guests, then family members, then the hosts. This is sexist in its own way but it’s how I was taught. In what world does the rudest guest take precedence?

OneMintWasp · 14/12/2025 09:29

Yes except his kids feel the same as me. Cannot stand the man.

Periperi2025 · 14/12/2025 09:29

Old prank i pulled on my massively narcissistic grandmother one Christmas, which i think might be ideal for him.

Find a passive aggressive and inappropriate joke that sums up his behaviour, print it off in cracker format, pry open his cracker (at the head of the table) and switch your joke for the original cracker joke. Watch his face on Christmas day!!

Childish but satisfying!