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Entitled male relatives who contribute nothing to Christmas

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GooseyGandalf · 14/12/2025 09:12

We’re having dh’s dps for Christmas this year. Mil will bring something thoughtful, gifts for us all, that she has picked, bought and wrapped, offer to help in the kitchen, make lovely comments about the food. In previous years she has hosted for the extended family.

Fil will come. If any of the food isn’t up his liking he will pull a face. He will accept gifts, making his opinions obvious on them, as mil tuts at him and tries to redirect our attention, and at no point will he contribute anything to the occasion. Gifts are of course from both of them, but he will have no idea, or interest, in what they are. It’s obvious mil is entirely responsible.

When we were first married mil would correct my cooking choices, in line with fils preferences. I’m very happy to accommodate allergies, intolerances, preferences, vegans, and arfid - I like my guests to feel welcome. I went along with it, for mil and dh’s sake because they probably wouldn’t visit as much if I didn’t, and we’d have to stay with them more often instead, which is worse.

The entitlement sets my teeth on edge. Mil will be almost apologetic for coming at all, conscious of the workload, and he will just arrive and sit there, the great family patriarch and everyone plays along with it.

Including me.

When dinner is served, he will automatically seat himself at the head of the table, taste the turkey and there will be a pause, while everyone waits to see if he approves, and mil will relax and dh beam proudly at me and I’ll try not to get stabby.

It’s a small enough thing in the greater scheme and not particularly unusual in his generation (though nothing like my lovely df, or even my gf) and not worth causing a row about. Just getting it off my chest here, in the hopes of getting through another Christmas without exploding.

Does anyone else have the honour of hosting a Great Male Guest this Christmas?

OP posts:
SuperSue77 · 17/12/2025 18:31

ThatCyanCat · 17/12/2025 08:54

Hey, I thought of it first!

Sorry @ThatCyanCat I hadn't RTFT!

My3dahliasarebloominlovely · 19/12/2025 11:46

"DH would you mind doing the tasting of the turkey this year? It's rather unfair that you, DFIL have to take the risk every time that I've slipped some poison in it.....Oh, I nearly forgot - I made some delicious beef wellington this year as an extra. Would you like to taste that, DFIL?"

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 19/12/2025 13:04

I would set the table as normal, wait until he sits down, then take the turkey to the other end and carve it there.

TomatoSandwiches · 19/12/2025 19:29

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this but have you considered buying a round table? There's no head to have then.

FightNight · 19/12/2025 19:32

TomatoSandwiches · 19/12/2025 19:29

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this but have you considered buying a round table? There's no head to have then.

Yes because that would be a measured response 🤣🤣🤣

JudgeJ · 19/12/2025 21:46

booksnbaking · 17/12/2025 10:08

"Christmas is dead easy, you know. You just have to buy some presents and get some food in."

Playing the piano is dead easy, you know. You just have to play exactly the right notes in exactly the right order at exactly the right time.

Oh, and 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹 to you and all the other stressed-out people on this thread with tiring and ungrateful families.

My late OH was caught out by me in Church telling how we shared the cards chore, I wrote them and he addressed the envelopes, which was fine and admirable until I clarified that he peeled of the address from a sheet based on a file I had created and kept updated and I had had to print them off as he could never get the printer to work. It seriously didn't like him I think!
The year he angrily said 'I'll buy my mother's present' when we were deciding what to buy, needless to say on The Day there was no present for her and of course it was my fault in her eyes.

TomatoSandwiches · 19/12/2025 22:16

FightNight · 19/12/2025 19:32

Yes because that would be a measured response 🤣🤣🤣

It would solve the problem though wouldn't it.. or am I just amazingly petty 😂😂😂

booksnbaking · 20/12/2025 00:26

JudgeJ · 19/12/2025 21:46

My late OH was caught out by me in Church telling how we shared the cards chore, I wrote them and he addressed the envelopes, which was fine and admirable until I clarified that he peeled of the address from a sheet based on a file I had created and kept updated and I had had to print them off as he could never get the printer to work. It seriously didn't like him I think!
The year he angrily said 'I'll buy my mother's present' when we were deciding what to buy, needless to say on The Day there was no present for her and of course it was my fault in her eyes.

Edited

Oopsie - being caught out in church is pretty bad!

Oneofthebest · 20/12/2025 07:31

FightNight · 19/12/2025 19:32

Yes because that would be a measured response 🤣🤣🤣

And a new dining room, because a round table wouldn't fit the space….😂

Let's be a little more measured, move house to stop FiL being the head of the table. 😂

Apologies, I needed some fun this morning.

GreenOtter · 20/12/2025 07:49

The one thing DH and I were both in agreement with (and DH even more heated than me about it), was no rectangular table. No head of the table. We got a round table. I grew up in a house where my dad was ‘head’ of the house. No thank you.

Just reading your update OP, makes my skin prickle in irritation. I’m sick of entitled men not lifting a finger and thinking how amazing their boring opinions are while others rush around them to accommodate. Hope it’s tolerable.

DeafLeppard · 20/12/2025 07:58

ThatCyanCat · 16/12/2025 08:14

Why is there so much indulging and enabling grown men of behaviour we wouldn't tolerate in a child? To keep the peace? We don't let children get away with being rude and obnoxious to keep the peace. It's not even peace anyway when it's just one person running roughshod over everyone else. Why does "keep the peace" so often mean "women and children, put up with endless shit"?

i think it starts far earlier with pandering to children, but women get a rude awakening when they have their own kids so snap out of it. Many men don’t.

1apenny2apenny · 20/12/2025 08:32

Two things I can’t understand. Firstly that this seems to still be happening although not as much and secondly that women continue to blame other women/expect them to indulge these men/have high expectations of other women.

Why do women blame other women when their sons don’t get them Christmas gifts/remember Mother’s Day etc? I would never do this and will be very disappointed if my DS ends up with someone who picks all this stuff up and he doesn’t step up.

I have a relative like this and would never invite him for Christmas although I suppose he’s not my father. I stopped entertaining very often due to DP not pitching in and if his family came for Christmas (they never have, live overseas) then I would be leaving it to him.

OSTMusTisNT · 20/12/2025 13:37

Leave space for the Turkey at the opposite end of the table to make sure he gets the last serving. Preferably after a few younger children have stuck their snotty fingers in it.

Head of the table chair should be your wobbly, to low/high one as well.

Horrible man and poor MIL. We ladies really are fortunate these days to be financially independent and support ourselves as single parents and not put up with a lifetime of staying with men like this.

Changename12 · 21/12/2025 17:05

GreenOtter · 20/12/2025 07:49

The one thing DH and I were both in agreement with (and DH even more heated than me about it), was no rectangular table. No head of the table. We got a round table. I grew up in a house where my dad was ‘head’ of the house. No thank you.

Just reading your update OP, makes my skin prickle in irritation. I’m sick of entitled men not lifting a finger and thinking how amazing their boring opinions are while others rush around them to accommodate. Hope it’s tolerable.

We have a rectangular table but I usually put the grandchildren at the head.

LittleBitofBread · 22/12/2025 08:39

DeafLeppard · 20/12/2025 07:58

i think it starts far earlier with pandering to children, but women get a rude awakening when they have their own kids so snap out of it. Many men don’t.

I don't have kids but have managed not to grow up to be entitled and think I'm queen of everything.

Lalgarh · 24/12/2025 01:33

Ladybird droll satire
."Daddy learns to get involved"

https://nitter.net/LBFlyawayhome/status/2003554285372719241#m

Huge leaps from 1964 to 1974 in equality there

Londonisthebestcityintheworld · 25/12/2025 14:21

Just wanted to roll onto the thread to say how much I'm not enjoying today as it's even worse this year. Currently drinking tatt in my room while they all went for a walk..my DH was like, you're not coming for a walk?! Such obliviousness to how much it sucks to be running round after everyone. I hate serving people! Can't wait to go back to work 😆

notwoke · 26/12/2025 07:10

Dying for an update on this. Hope it was okay.

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