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"I've never slept with a black woman before"

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Blackisblackisblack · 05/01/2022 21:07

I'm looking for black perspective, please.

So, been single a while and had been talking to this guy, online.

Met up for coffee earlier today, and it went well. We both have a lot in common, work-wise, and we have adult children the same age (although I have a younger child as well).

We arranged to meet again tomorrow, and we've been talking/texting throughout today.

I've not long checked my phone and there's a message from him: "I've never slept with a black woman before."

So, wise black mumsnetters, do I let him know why I no longer wish to be involved or do I just cut him off?

I thought to cut him off, but my friend thinks that's harsh, since I've met him..

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Jamdown123 · 07/01/2022 11:56

Yes, and that is sickening. Really repulsive.

I agree.

And now that I am thinking about these posts more, I also didn't approach him with the idea that I wanted to have sex with a white man and he was a good option.

All these things make the man you are talking about trust repugnant. I have had that comment before, too, in a work and non-work context, actually, and always thought it was bang out of order. A lot of the time I told the man so. Sometimes I just couldn't be bothered and tried to get away asap.

I'm sorry you encountered this again now, when you'd hope age and wisdom and maturity would have put an end to such abhorrence.

BlackandGreen · 07/01/2022 12:07

A coffee and then a text assumption from a white guy that he is going to have your body isn't the same situation as you described Jamdown.
I totally get what you are saying, but what you describe is different, imo, and a face to face conversation, not a crude text message.

Blackisblack wasn't even in a relationship with him. One meeting for a coffee. He then reduced her to her skin colour, of all the traits she has, and expected she was up for it with a white guy. There was no thoughtful discussion between them as two grown adults.

That's what's made me so angry. He fetishised her, because of the colour of her skin.

Perfectly acceptable to send a text saying "I've never dated a black woman before". That's an opening to a discussion as you describe.

He was into " sex with a black woman". Not full of admiration for our OP here, for her other attributes. Not a flirty text even. And angry when he was called out, and used another black woman trope, to describe her.

The men who I had relationships with, who were white, had to show a bit more about themselves, than a salacious text message after a coffee.

A coffee and a text like that = red flag . Not a thoughtful and tentative exploration of a future relationship.

And if our OP wanted to just sleep with him after only 5 mins because she wanted to, then fine by me. Her call, not his. As long as the decision is with her, she can do whatever she wants. Have fun!.

This guy is a pervy creep. Full stop.

Blackisblackisblack · 07/01/2022 14:38

Thanks, jamdown123

The fact that he got to 40s and doesn't know/care that it's not the done thing to say is troubling.

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Blackisblackisblack · 07/01/2022 14:41

The men who I had relationships with, who were white, had to show a bit more about themselves, than a salacious text message after a coffee.

Yes, and most of the non-black guys I have dated have never come out with stuff like this. Although a few have sailed very close to the wind..

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skippy67 · 07/01/2022 14:46

I haven't read the whole thread, but I don't think I need to. Get rid, the bloke's a knob.

Blackisblackisblack · 07/01/2022 22:28

skippy67, don't worry, he's gone! Smile

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StrifeOfBath · 08/01/2022 08:48

Jamdown I do hear what you say about things being noticeable and nothing is ‘untalkable’ about in a relationship. I am in a mixed and multi relationship, and one of us is male and one female… that’s a pretty noticeable difference and one fraught with politics in societal, cultural and personal arenas.

Communication, an openness to increasing our awareness, love, trust in good intent, everything can be navigated in the right context.

It will never work if the subject per se is taboo.

Blackisblackisblack · 08/01/2022 10:02

everything can be navigated in the right context

And that's the key, isn't it: in the right context.

I don't think anyone is disputing that.

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SkylineBright · 09/01/2022 12:55

Always trust your gut instinct.

GeidiPrimes · 09/01/2022 13:19

You don't owe him an explanation. Or even bother educating him. Like u said, he'll probably just insist he's not racist. While behaving like one. Not to mention the presumption that you'd shag him. Gross.

Blackisblackisblack · 09/01/2022 14:47

Hi. For those that have been giving me advice, just an update:

So, went to see friend yesterday. The plan was to meet in town but the weather was rubbish so she said to call in. Not a problem.

I will start by saying that I didn't bring up 'Busta Gonad' (thanks, blackandgreen Grin). But that she started that conversation and it got heated.

From her perspective, she said that I'd 'set him up to fail', as most people who hadn't slept with someone from another race would bring it into question. She gave the example of her fiance having not slept with a white woman since before they met.

I tried explaining that it was his attitude, more than anything, that annoyed me; the prusumption, the statement out of the blue, when there was no mention of sex, etc. But according to her, if I want to make a proper go at any relationship then it's give and take Hmm

What makes me laugh is that I've had r'ship with different races of men most of my life.. But that was her point.. I don't give people much of a chanceConfused

But I said I didn't understand her point! And the bloke was being a knob. She said, yes, he was but how could I expect guys not to say this sort of thing when things are 'new' to them.. never mind the disrespect of him hanging up after being called out!

She said, well the solution is obvious, if you won't 'allow' for people to accidently put their foot in it, or say something off the mark, then maybe you should find men within your race Hmm

She's engaged to a black man and has mixed raced kids, just for context. And when this man came on the scene, he wasn't that nice to her and it took him a while to bond with the kids. I spent hours consoling her and being there for her, as a friend should. And I told her, at the time, that she doesn't deserve to be treated that way, and she agreed and was going to call it a day. I even recall her saying that she was "done with black men", which I pulled her up about at the time!

I didn't hear from her for some weeks and then she'd mentioned that they were giving it another go as "he wouldn't let me go". I was shocked but I thought fine, whatever makes you happy.

But I said to her yesterday that I didn't think it was fine to expect me to behave in a manner you have, just because you're happy to. She took it that I meant being walked over, I didn't. I meant she's putting her standards onto me.

Anyway, I made my excuses and left. I've known her well over 40 years and we've only ever had one other argument (that I can recall) and it was about a man..but without sounding cheesy, we were like sisters.

The thing is, I know the way I deserve to be treated, so why should I have to stoop? And why should I accept any uncomfortable questions/statements thrown at me, at the expense of feeling out of my comfort zone, especially after one date?!

I feel quite sad, to be honest.

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MmeD · 09/01/2022 14:57

It sounds to me - and I’m aware I’m reading only one side - as though your friend’s feeling slightly wobbly and defensive about her own choices and it isn’t actually about what’s happened to you at all.

I hope you can make it up though and that this interaction with one idiot doesn’t completely ruin a 40 year friendship.

DoubleTweenQueen · 09/01/2022 14:59

@Blackisblackisblack :O Forgiveness and cutting people slack is one thing, and a verbal blurt without thinking/nerves could be forgiven depending on time into knowing each other and other contextual stuff - but in this case, I don’t see how your friend could put this on you and for you to retain your trust in her judgement.
But you’ll make up?

Blackisblackisblack · 09/01/2022 15:00

It sounds to me - and I’m aware I’m reading only one side - as though your friend’s feeling slightly wobbly and defensive about her own choices and it isn’t actually about what’s happened to you at all.

To be honest, I'd never thought of that. And her whole demeanour, yesterday, was different.

She seemed quite angry, even before we'd mentioned the one-date weirdo.

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Blackisblackisblack · 09/01/2022 15:04

I don’t see how your friend could put this on you and for you to retain your trust in her judgement.
But you’ll make up?

I don't think I'll reach out to her because I don't think I've done anything wrong. But, judging by the way she spoke to me yesterday, I doubt she will, either.

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DoubleTweenQueen · 09/01/2022 15:09

@Blackisblackisblack I am sorry x

ldontWanna · 09/01/2022 15:09

You can't judge yourself by someone else's standards and boundaries (or lack thereof). It crossed a line for you, that's more than enough. Whether she thinks it's a big deal or not, or if it's the right or not it's irrelevant. She's not you, hasn't lived your life or had your experiences. I'd just tell her you don't need advice or your mind changing, you just needed a rant and a moan and you're confident in your decision. Sniping at each other and scoring points won't do anyone any good and it'll just sour your relationship. You're coming at this(and it seems relationships and men in general) from very different positions.

Blackisblackisblack · 09/01/2022 15:12

Sniping at each other and scoring points

I wasn't trying to point score. And I don't think she was either.

I guess I didn't realise how diff we are. It's a shame.

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BlackandGreen · 09/01/2022 15:24

Wow. Just read your update. I'm really so sorry about your friend.
I wouldn't talk to her about it again. Her situation is totally different to what happened with you. ( I know that, you know that , so no need to explain that to each other as it's BMN)

She's projecting her own iffy issues onto you. Not sure she even realises. Her remarks previously about being " done with black men". A bit fetishising in itself imo. Another of those reductive comments that make me go Hmm about people.

You don't have to ut up with crappy behaviour. If you do you'll get what your pal seems to think is acceptable, a crappy relationship.

Listen, there were quite a few women posted here supporting you , who happened to be white, and they saw that eejit clearly for what he was. So don't question yourself for having standards. You keep your standards!

Your woman friend is out of order. Leave it be. Don't be a prop for her relationship though.She doesn't get it. She thinks she does, but she doesn't.

There isn't "wrong" with you. You met Busta Gonad and rightly binned him off. Your friend is struggling in her own relationship and not the person to talk about this at the moment. I'm sorry. I would not even say it's because she is non black, that she doesnt get it.

Give her some space for a while. You've been friends a long time. That doesn't mean every word out of her mouth is right. I hope it's been a previously equal relationship and it's not just you propping her up for decades?

I've got visitors here at the moment, so a bit rushed here typing. If ok I will look in later this evening when they've cleared off.

II'll say again that it really isn't you. You are right not to put up with idiots, and he was. Why the hell would you want a relationship with a wanker like that?

Have a cup cake. Just made some Wink
xx

BlackandGreen · 09/01/2022 15:27

Sorry about the typos and grammar, kids everywhere at the mo, hope you get the gist! x

mumjustmum · 09/01/2022 15:32

I'm white british and find this disgusting. What a sad, uneducated twat he must be. I'd arrange another date on a Friday night somewhere very expensive, text him your order as you're running late, and stand him up.

BlackandGreen · 09/01/2022 15:41

mumjustmum
They only met once for coffee. OP isn't seeing him again. But like your style.Smile

Starseeking · 09/01/2022 15:50

@MmeD

It sounds to me - and I’m aware I’m reading only one side - as though your friend’s feeling slightly wobbly and defensive about her own choices and it isn’t actually about what’s happened to you at all.

I hope you can make it up though and that this interaction with one idiot doesn’t completely ruin a 40 year friendship.

I agree with every word of this.

You mentioned your friends partner wasn't that nice to start off with; perhaps he's still not so nice, she just hasn't articulated that to you, and she is projecting so that you lower your standards to hers, then she doesn't feel as bad.

If I were you I'd continue holding my boundaries and standards, and you'll meet someone lovely soon.

Starseeking · 09/01/2022 15:59

If you feel your friend is a true friend, given it's been 40 years, I'd continue the friendship, but I wouldn't talk to her about race issues you are having, as she won't truly understand where you are coming from, even if she does have mixed race DC.

I mentioned my only white friend of 30 years earlier on in this thread. I didn't realise before, but I think subconsciously I must not talk to her about race because I know she won't get it. My Black friends are the ones I would discuss issues such as your OP with.

Blackisblackisblack · 09/01/2022 17:46

I mentioned my only white friend of 30 years earlier on in this thread. I didn't realise before, but I think subconsciously I must not talk to her about race because I know she won't get it. My Black friends are the ones I would discuss issues such as your OP

I hear you. The thing is that our extended families are quite intertwined, as well. We have done everything together, holidays, births, funerals, etc.

And we always spoke about race, if/when it came up. We didn't necessarily always agree with each other, but..

Anyway, I don't think her outburst is to do with race but rather what others have pointed out: that, perhaps she's projecting her own issues onto me, but who knows 🤷🏽‍♀️

In any other situation of this nature, she'd be right behind me with a shovel

But I will leave it a while and then see how the land lies.

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