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December 08 - a few babies under the tree still need unwrapping!

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EffiePerine · 30/12/2008 22:17

New thread ladies. I have a feeling I will be talking to myself a lot

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rosmerta · 01/01/2009 19:27

Hi all, I can't keep up with this thread. Seem to be on a constant round of feeding, washing/sterilising bottles, cleaning & making sure both ds's get some attention!

CatDean, ikwym re carriers. Ds2 loves his as well but it does make life so much easier! Especially as I can then do things with ds1 without constantly having to stop to settle ds2.

I'd like to try and come to a meetup if there's going to be one, though can guarantee I won't be looking the least bit glamorous!

katie3677 · 01/01/2009 19:30

Happy New Year everyone. Off to catch up properly

artichokes · 01/01/2009 19:46

Cat - I thought we should feed from one side at a time too. However, I mentioned it on the breast feeding boards, and TikTok (BF counsellor) gave the following advice:

"artichokes - big myth that babies should only have one breast per feed. There is so much misunderstanding about foremilk and hindmilk.

Some babies are just fine with one breast per feed, but two breasts should always be on offer, especially at first. When the baby seems to have had what he/she wants on side one, then they need to be offered side two. Purposefully restricting them to one side minismises the production line stimulation. Fine in a mother who makes gallons anyway, or for a baby who is feeding literally 15-16 times in 24 hours.... not fine in other mothers.

Babies sort out their own foremilk and hindmilk - we do not need to worry about it if the baby is feeding well.

Purposefully restricting to one side is what mothers with over-supply have to do, or mothers who want to wean from the breast in order to switch to formula - because one side only reduces milk supply and that is a Bad Thing in the early days.

You can read more about this at www.kellymom.com"

CatDean · 01/01/2009 19:51

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artichokes · 01/01/2009 19:59

I am not sure if it works Cat. DD only takes a little bit from the second breast as she does not seem to be a very hungry baby. I think I may have over-supply as she only feeds about once every 3 or 4 hours and then she does not feed for long. Given she was 10lbs 2oz at birth, and never lost any weight after the birth, you would think she would eat more, but she doesn't.

LadyThompson · 01/01/2009 20:06

EXCITING NEWS - Dear Turnip has had a baby girl!

Ok, hands up - I think I was supposed to tell you yesterday but I misunderstood. She has now clarified and sent the following message: 'Our baby girl Liaden Joy was born on Tuesday 30th December at 8.36pm weighing 8lb 14 oz. All went well but we aren't able to go home at present until jaundice clears but she is a poppet and her big sister and brother adore her. Happy New Year to all and congrats to Effie and any other new arrivals.' Isn't that fab? Oli, the pressure is on

I'm in London on Monday afternoon near Paddington if anyone wants to come out to play. I think I am going to have to bring DD in a sling on the train (I have my six week check at midday). I won't be looking lithe for some considerable time, but won't be leaving off the lipgloss and the usual dust of bronzer, twenty seven layers of mascara and an entire tube of Touche Eclat because quite frankly I look like the Creature from the Black Lagoon without it, especially at the moment.

Right, now to catch up with this afternoon's posts!

kmp1 · 01/01/2009 20:18

cat yeah I will try to get to some mother and baby groups too (i'm having an optimistic 10 mins!) No - no family here except MIL who is about an hour away and a little stand off ish plus quite busy most of the time. I am already trying to read up on getting DS passports! in order to visit home soon! Looks like it will keep me busy as I have to first register his birth - do I get a birth cert straight away?) then apply for his Aust Citizenship and then the passport and also a UK passport, and it looks like quite a process but will be worth it in the end! Anyway, I'm sure i'll feel better in a few days. A friend just had a baby (2 hours away) so I will do a few visits to them as well if invited! Will look out for a MN meet up too.
I'm confused about the BF which side to use palava too - have been told both, so I guess I'm just going to try it all and do what works.... Cat I can totally relate to the baby carrier to go to the toilet! (well I did it to get some quiet!) and also the glass of red

katie3677 · 01/01/2009 20:56

Phew, it's busy on here, I never seem to get time to post anymore though.
Congratulations all those with new babies, only a few more to go now, exciting.
On the bf from both sides, my MW also says best to offer both sides. Apparently the foremilk/ hindmilk thing is a myth, as long as baby is pooing regularly and it is mustard coloured then they are getting what they need.
We are also struggling with wind here. DD seems to feed for 10 mins then needs serious winding for half an hour, then feed for another 10 mins, needs winding again etc. Quite exhausting, but had the same with DS and by 3 months he had it sorted so I know there is light at the end of the tunnel. I have finally started to work out some of her signals, and what I was mistaking for rooting was actually her trying to get rid of wind.
I have also resorted to a dummy for getting her to settle as otherwise she literally hangs off my nipples and that was killing me.
Does anyone know how long the bleeding lasts? I keep thinking mine is stopping and then get yet another really heavy flow. I'm sure that last time it was over by 3 weeks, but maybe that is because I stopped BFing at about 3 weeks, or does it take longer to stop after a CS?
Uh-oh, baby awakes...back later.

TheInvisibleHand · 01/01/2009 21:07

Congratulations to Effie and Turnip! Fab news and great names...

On public breastfeeding, I found you just need to go for it. One way to take the plunge is to go out with other people with newborns - so a thread meet up might be in order. First time round breastfeeding en masse with my NCT group did make me feel braver. After a while screaming baby when you're out and about kind of trumps modesty - DD was very unpredictable in her feeds, so I found myself settling down to feed in all kinds of strange places like park benches, a sofa in the habitat showroom, etc etc.

VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 01/01/2009 21:23

Congratulations, turnip!

My DH has totally redeemed himself - was coerced into has volunteered for the early shift so looks like I may get to sleep until 2am! My delicious bed beckons.

Btw - info on foremilk/hindmilk etc on kellymom here. You keep making milk throughout a feed - it's just more watery and thirst-quenching at the start and then the proportion of fat to water changes during the feed...

VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 01/01/2009 21:25

Can't believe I missed effie's news! Congratulations!!!

Veggiemummy · 01/01/2009 23:11

Hello just bookmarking myself into this thread I'm only halfway through page 3 so will be ages but just wanted to say for those worried about public feeding H&M and mothercare do vest tops that unclip like a nursing bra so you can wear them under a top and feed but at least hide wobbly bellies. Also I wear a light pashmina as a scarf then drape it over my shoulder when feeding.

Lovely to see you pixstix how did everything go in special care obvioulsy you LC is all fine right off to bed before someone wakes up. Oh and to all you considering co-sleeping we are currently 4 in the bed and loving it. Though I think ds1 will be back in his bed soon as I have the light on and it's annoying him. We should be stricter with him but we know it won't be much longer and are enjoying it while it lasts.

waitinggirl · 01/01/2009 23:30

Congrats Effie and Turnip! looking forward to hearing... thanks to the advice on boobs and how long and which one... ohmigod having been off MN for a week, i thought i wouldn't need it again now dd was born, but it is fantastic - thank you all so so so much. it helps to know others are out there (albeit nameless and faceless) going through the same thing.

warning: post about dh - might be long...

Well, the PIL have gone (until tomorrow morning). It got so bad that when dh and MIL were with dd during one of her frenzies, mil said something to dh and he lost the plot, stormed out and slammed the door on her. this is a really big deal. They are an incredibly repressed family where no one says what they feel, only what they think they ought to say (not so much my dh, but he does fall into it when with them). Afterwards, when he returned dh managed to say to his mother that what he needed from her right now was unconditional support, not criticism ? I was so proud of him for saying that. I feel like I am helping him to grow up and confront his parents ? he is 38 and he has never done so. They don?t really know who he is, and he is too scared to let them. Anyway?

JJ - thank you for your post, and verso ? we seem to be having a lot of similar problems. Have been reading these posts out to dh who is enormously encouraged that we are not the only ones. He is having a really hard time of it at the moment. He says he has cried more in the last week than in all the rest of his life put together. I think the shock of how dd came into the world, has really rocked him. He feels so protective towards her, so responsible for her, so utterly powerless and yet powerful. The first time she had one of her frenzied fits, he said he scared himself by the rage he felt towards her. He told her to shut up and nearly shook her and then hated hated hated himself for it. He is so worried about being a bad parent (and of course this brings up his own MENTALIST parents and being sent to boarding school at 7), and about doing the best for dd that sometimes it paralyses him with fear and guilt. He feels guilt because he can?t help, because he hasn?t got boobs, that he can only do the laundry, cooking etc. he feels the need to sit up with me, even when he is utterly exhausted, just to prove how helpful he?s being, when actually he would be more helpful to me less tired in a couple of hours time. He also feels enormous guilt at the feeling that sometimes he wishes dd didn?t exist ? he wonders why we ever wanted to do this as it is causing ourselves so much stress at the moment. He sees his life stretching into the future with no change - Is there such a thing as PND for men because I think he may have it ? he?s actually mentioned suicide a couple of times (which is pretty drastic, but is probably a product of it being the middle of the night more than anything). Poor love.

ZJ i read your birth story ?and it had me in tears (in front of MIL, so that?s something). Our dd is now one week old. During the day I was having flashbacks to this time last week and getting really teary. Am going to have a go at ours?

Kimberly1979 · 01/01/2009 23:34

Hey Everyone, Just wanted to pop in and say hi. I will get try and get back on tomorrow and write my birth story. Congrats to everyone who has had their little ones!!

waitinggirl · 02/01/2009 03:23

here we are again - i fed at midnight, after she a feed at 9, and now we've had 2 massive bouts of frenzied screaming/crying. she roots around for my nipples, sucks so fast she can't possibly be getting anything in, goes red in the face and screams and screams and screams. we thought she'd calmed down and then started again. she has been doing lots of poos - is this digestive related? sorry to rant, but we have no idea.

SummerLightning · 02/01/2009 03:39

hi at I am up too sorry not sure! Have you tried asking on breastfeeding topic. My little monster is having a monster feeding session as usual though he is quite calm

SummerLightning · 02/01/2009 03:42

Could it be colic sorry don't know full symptoms but it sounds a bit like what cat was describing with her little one

VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 02/01/2009 08:22

wg it sounds like trapped wind to me - of the bottom variety. Only way to prevent it really is to try make sure she's burped when the milk goes in... The fast sucking might be comfort sucking because she knows it feels good. It will get better as she grows - because they get better at burping and farting - but in the meantime I know it's awful to listen to/watch. I feel so helpless when DD2 is like that .

I'm not sure if it's colic as such, because I think that's usually earlier in the evening - sort of 5:30-midnight - and every day...

VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 02/01/2009 08:24

Also could be very mild nappy rash... try zinc ointment on the bottom at every nappy change and see if there's an improvement. (When I had thrush DD2's bottom got quite red and she screamed whenever she wee'd .) It soon got better though.

traceface · 02/01/2009 08:43

wg - yes yes yes men can get PND - it's not as common as women but when they get it it's usually more severe. I think your DH is very brave expressing how he feels - at least he's telling you about his fears and anger and frustrations rather than bottling it up, but it does sound like he might need some extra help/ support. How is your GP? Could you persuade you DH to go? or if you tell your HV she might have some ideas about where he could find help. You both need him to be well. And look after yourself too because this is an added worry for you which you could do without.

kmp - I registered Phoebe this week and was given the birth certificate straight away to take home. You get a short version for free but to get a passport you need the long version which costs £3.50 (in York it does anyway!) and you also get there and then. You have to send the actual original copy off to get the passport.

can I tell you a DH classic...
I asked him yesterday if he thought he would recognise Phoebe's cry out of loads of baby's cries, and he replied "I don't think I'd even recognise Phoebe out of loads of babies - they all look the same"!!!! He cracks me up - I'm hoping he was joking!!!

Olipop · 02/01/2009 08:51

Haven't caught up since I logged on early yesterday but just wanted to say congrats to Effie as I have just seen her husbands email.

Oh....and I had a little girl about 6 hours ago!!!!!
Heidi Francis Jacqueline was born at 2.54 weighing in at 7lb 5oz. It was a speedy homebirth and we are now all snuggled on the sofa (DS slept through the whole thing!) It's very surreal!!! I'll do a proper post later xxx

traceface · 02/01/2009 08:52

ooooh congrats Effie, Turnip and Oli - loving the names - we almost went for Heidi ourselves! well done!

pixsix · 02/01/2009 09:07

Hey veggie it's great to see you too! Yes, ds is fully recovered from his time in intensive care. We were in hospital for a week in the end. He doesn't seem to have any lasting effects but the GP and HVs are keeping a close eye on him which is reassuring.

Thanks for all the BF clothing advice. I need to get myself organised on the clothes front. Am still 10lb over my booking in weight and have not even tried to get in to my normal clothes so am still in maternity stuff even though ds is 6 weeks. Need to buy some intermediate sizes. The weight thing is another reason why i don't really feel like going out much or seeing people - i'm embarrassed at how much extra weight i gained while preg. I also don't seem to be losing much despite bf-ing and not eating dairy (advice of the GP). I think I have only lost about 3lbs since we came home from hosp. I am so disappointed as EVERYONE tells you that the weight will come of really easily with the feeding

ds also had a mammoth feed and scream session yesterday from about 5pm to 5am with just brief 30min breaks to sleep on dh. I'm guessing this is his 6 week growth spurt....

pixsix · 02/01/2009 09:08

Oh wow, congrats Oli!

rosmerta · 02/01/2009 09:17

Morning all,

Congratulations to turnip, effie & Oli* verso well done on finally getting dh to do something! Hope you had a nice sleep

wg have just read your post, am sorry about how your dh is feeling. He could have pnd, it does happen to men & is getting more & more common. Do you think he would go to his GP & get some counselling? It might help.

Also, those with little ones who have wind trouble, I've found massage to help. You rub their stomach in a clockwise direction, also rub your hands down the sides of the stomach & push their legs towards the chest. Very gently of course but you usually get a fart out of them!

Ds2 had a really restless night last night, was up about every 45mins & seems to be constantly hungry. I'm guessing this is his 3 week growth spurt!

Does anyone know if 5ozs of formula is too much at 3 weeks? He's draining 4ozs & seems to be hungry sooner but I can't help feeling that 5 is too much for a 3 week old.