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December 08 - a few babies under the tree still need unwrapping!

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EffiePerine · 30/12/2008 22:17

New thread ladies. I have a feeling I will be talking to myself a lot

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lal07 · 01/01/2009 01:16

effie have just posted on your other thread. how exciting. hello everyone else and happy new year! hope 2009 is everything you want. have been terrible lurker recently [sheepish emoticon] but so pleased to hear about all the lovely new babies. mine is being slightly less than cooperative tonight hence wobbly typing - but is back to full health so really don't care (am sure such mushy sentiment will wear off - not least when champagne does).
thinking of those of you still waiting.xx

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EffiePerine · 01/01/2009 01:18

rang delivery suite - they think it was a show so will be heading back to bed

Happy New year to all you lovely people and your gorgeous babies

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pixsix · 01/01/2009 01:49

Good luck effie! Thanks for the bf advice. I also have over-sized norks which makes discreet feeding tricky. I think I will give public feeding a try next week.

Am just giving my little boy his first feed of 2009 and feeling emotional. It's been such an amazing year and I think this one will be even better. Can't wait to see what 2009 holds. xx

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EffiePerine · 01/01/2009 02:29

contractions have started - poo

not v strong yet, so still swithering over waking DH

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VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 01/01/2009 03:11

Well DH is sort of off the hook - he's just taken DD2 out in the car as I've been trying to settle her since 11:45 . She goes off, then gets hiccups, or farts - wakes up, takes ages to settle - then wants more food - is sick - then burps - then settles, then stirs, then wants more... etc etc etc. It's been a fun evening . (btw I know this is almost certainly a growth spurt... she's not normally like this at all.)

pixsix it will definitely get easier to BF in public the more you do it. My tip clothingwise is to wear a stretchy vest top and then a cardigan or shirt open over it. You should be able to pull the vest up quite discreetly and you'd be amazed how no one can really see anything. Only make sure you go somewhere noisy (DD2 is a LOUD eater! )

Off to bed...

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VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 01/01/2009 03:12

ooh missed this page! GOOD LUCK, EFFIE! (and I see I've just given the exact same advice as you re BF clothes!) I must go to bed.

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waitinggirl · 01/01/2009 03:22

dear all - really sorry haven't been lurking, haven't read anything - haven't had time, but we are at our wits end. help anyone?

dh and i sitting up with crying rosie - she is generally an angel child during the day - sleep, eat, pooh, sleep, eat, pooh etc. but she has frenzied attacks when i know she has eaten enough, (luckily bf seems to be going well), but she goes into a red rage (did we name her for a reason?), root like mad, suck on anything which comes near her, scream, make us think she wants more food - feed her more, she pukes, screams, wants more food, feed her more (if only to keep her quiet), the cycle repeats itself and we have no idea about this.

the first night it went on from 12-5am - and i can't keep her on the boob for that long. and i know it is wrong. people have mentioned dummies, but that feels so wrong to force something plasstic into her poor mouth - anyone with positive experiences, please let us know how you started if it worked and which brands?

we are going somewhat insane, (as i'm sure a lot of you are as well).

my father's ladyfriend used to be a nurse and the first time it happened, we called her at 4am and she made us put her in a different room to cry it out. that nearly killed us. she is only 6 days old, poor thing.

sorry for the me me me post. but we are going somewhat deranged.

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kayzr · 01/01/2009 06:21

Morning,

WG I really wish I could give you some advice. I have just put the dummies into sterlise as I have a feeling that sometimes Dylan just wants something to suck on for comfort. I'm not sure if it will work as Freddie just spat them out straight away.

Good luck Effie!!!

Dylan woke up at quarter to 5 so I fed him. After an hour of him feeding, falling to sleep and then waking up, feeding, falling to sleep etc he fell to sleep and stayed asleep. So I went to the toilet and what did DH do? Put Dylan in his moses basket!!! So he woke up, so I decided to get up. But Freddie wanted to get up and see Daddy so he got into bed with him. So hopefully he is being poked and prodded by Freddie

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pixsix · 01/01/2009 06:28

Morning kayz, my little monster woke for a feed at 5am too and wouldn't go back to sleep either. We got up and had a little play but now he's feeding again so maybe he'll have a nap soon....

WG I also wish I had an answer for you. All I can offer is that ds did something similar for a few nights around 3 weeks but has stopped now. Maybe your dd is just going through a difficult phase?

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kayzr · 01/01/2009 06:43

Now I have both boys downstairs and DH is still in bed. Why do I always draw the short straw??????

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Olipop · 01/01/2009 07:13

Morning...and Happy New Year!! WG, I would try the dummy thing...that sounds just like DS and I used to virtually hold the dummy in!!! He just needed the sucky thing and used to get soooooo angry when I put him on the boob when the milk was released. He still loves his doodies and I'm often still grateful for them if he is ill (he is nearly 3 now).

Oh Effie you splitter!!!!! I thought things were happening last night too. Was getting some definate 'twinges' but managed to go to sleep and nothing now...hmfph! So it'll be a 2009 baby for me!

DH and I were in hysterics last night. We just watched a bit of crap TV and all our friends were texting around 8pm to wish us a happy new year as they were all going to bed soon!! Oh how times have changed!!! Gone are the all night parties! We used to be clubbing monsters! It made us chuckle!

On BF in public, I used to find it quite tricky but after a bit of practice I found it easier. It helps that we are in winter and can use layers to cover up. Most people are pleased to see you do it so don't worry.

I love you all too!! I think it is great to have this support. I seem to start most of my conversations with DH with 'Someone on MN said.....'!

LT Black dress is fine for BT wedding. I didn't have a BT wedding but all my girlfriends wore black to my wedding (on my instruction) as it makes your dress stand out in photos!!! Hehehehe. And I was wearing red and didn't want anyone to wear pink!

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VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 01/01/2009 08:07

Dreadful night here

wg I didn't use a dummy with DD1 and endured CONSTANT snacking and snoozing for EIGHT MONTHS. I was actually suicidal (seriously bad PND - quite calmly considered the benefits of throwing myself in front of a train one morning on my way to work ) so this time round I say go for anything that works to get some bl**dy sleep!

We've been using the Avent silicone dummies, because one came free with our steriliser. Also I have a mild latex allergy so I'm not sure it's safe to use the 'cherry' ones that people seem to think are the best shape, because they're made of latex... but I'm open to other suggestions.

DD2 possibly just dropping off, finally, in her bouncy chair.

Nope. Just woken self up with a windy nappy. AAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

My Mum actually offered to do a night the other day - I think this was partly because MIL was within earshot and she also knew I would say no ... anyway I've sent her a somewhat garbled message this morning saying "yes please!". DH isn't keen - he thinks it will be more stressful having her look after DD2... but I NEED SOME SLEEP!

DD2 asleep(ish) but stirring every time DD1 drops a toy. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH.

We reach the six week milestone next Tuesday, but because DD1 never "settled" I'm not holding out much hope. Silly though, because apart from the odd night like last night DD2 is MUCH easier than DD1... so it's possible she might settle... please, please let her settle!!

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Olipop · 01/01/2009 08:25

Oh verso...sounds like you have had a tough time. I don't really have any recommendations but bucket loads of empathy. There is nothing like that mind numbing knackeredness.

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Olipop · 01/01/2009 08:51

I am dying to know how Effie is getting on!! I feel like her impatient DH pacing my living room!

Just remembered that Emmanbump is still hanging on in there too!

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kmp1 · 01/01/2009 10:48

Mibbles - yes exactly the same things - spend ages winding him then put him down and he starts sucking his hand and shaking his head from side to side, and kind of wimpering so I feed him and he is happy again but falls asleep feeding within 5 minutes so I keep waking him up until he sucks for a bit then sleeps again - put him down and the whole thing starts again - don't really want to use a dummy so trying to avoid it for now. It only happens in the evening time, so last night i just kept feeding him and then he slept from about 1am-5am which was nice so i'll try and totally fill him up and see if it will work again tonight!
Would love to have a meet up so yes let me know anyone!
On a different subject (sorry if it's been covered in my absence!) I need to ask about birth control / and fertility etc - I def want to try and have another one not too far down the track (since I'm getting old now!) and I'd rather have 2 close together, but I also want to try and BF for a bit and also lose the weight gained before falling pregnant again. So, how likely is it to get pregnant while breast feeding? I know it can happen, but I think I would really need to have a period first - correct? And that won't happen while BFing?? Any advice or stories appreciated as I'm clueless

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kmp1 · 01/01/2009 10:53

to clarify i want to avoid getting pregnant again for a few months i spose?

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poisondwarf · 01/01/2009 10:54

Happy New Year everyone!

We have a new year baby!

Just had a text from Effie:

Maximilian arrived safely 8.29am. All well x

Well done Effie, and what a smashing name. Looking forward to hearing all about it and meeting the little nipper soon.

Have been away so not up to speed on the thread yet - off to check and see if anyone else has popped since last I looked (especially want to know if Turnip's still hanging on in there). Hope everyone is well.

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VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 01/01/2009 11:16

Mum has come round - so DH has gone to bed as I'm breastfeeding. And I wonder why I'm conflicted about BF?!!!

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VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 01/01/2009 11:30

Unbelievable!

DH is upstairs blissfully asleep. DD2 won't settle for her nap - so I say to Mum - "looks like if she won't settle I'll have to go out with the pram for a few miles". Bear in mind I haven't reached six weeks post-c-section yet. What does she say? "Ok dear"

I COULD SWEAR AT THIS POINT

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CatDean · 01/01/2009 11:32

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zoejeanne · 01/01/2009 11:38

Congratulations to Effie - fantastic news to start the new year

Can I be in the gang of worried public BF-ers? I currently can't do it without totally taking my top off and needing 2 pillows, so gawd knows how I'll manage in public! We've got our first 'official' outing a week on Sunday, to a christening, so I must get practising what to wear and how to manage it. In theory I shouldn't worry, as we've all been friends for years and have played many a drunken game of strip guess who in our younger days, but on a more sober occasion I am worrying about how to do it - please keep those tips coming, but I will definitely practise combinations of vest tops and cardis before then!

Happy new year to you all - it is great to start a new year with a whole bunch of new friends, even though I've not met anyone, so best wishes to you all for 2009.

Warning - epic birth story following - only read if you have time to kill!

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zoejeanne · 01/01/2009 11:45

Well, as all is quiet and peaceful in our house right now I thought I?d take advantage of this moment to (finally) write my birth story. I?ve been quite looking forward to doing this and recording how Eloise arrived into the world, as even though it didn?t go as I?d hoped, I still found every part of the birth a really positive experience. It?s quite a tale (you know by now I don?t use 1 word when 2 will do) so feel free to skip this.

DH finished work at 11pm on the Sunday night, he collapsed on the sofa for a well deserved kip and told my tummy ?its ok now, Daddy?s finished work, you can come out whenever you want?. He should have waited another 24 hours until he?d had some sleep (he?d just spent 2 weeks working 15 hour days, every single day), because 5 hours after uttering that statement I got out of bed to go to the loo, felt a big glob of mucus plop onto the floor and dashed to the toilet to hear my waters go with a big pop (I never believed that when I?ve read it elsewhere, but they really do pop!)

As you know, I?d been referred to a consultant for concerns about my fluid levels and had an appointment for later that day, so I rang the hospital, told them my waters had gone and explained the situation. Even though I wasn?t having any contractions, they suggested I come in to be checked. So we set off to hospital ? and by the time I got there at about 5.30am I was contracting every 5 minutes, so it appeared to be moving fast.

In the labour ward, I hooked up my TENS machine and was given a ball to sit on and the midwife checked me over, and I felt I was coping well with the contractions, with the TENS, breathing and walking around the ward ? I even refused paracetemol because I felt so good about it.

The only down point to the labour was when the registrar came to see me, having read my notes and wanted to put me straight on syntocin to get the baby out. Luckily the midwife was really supportive of us and backed our decision to see how I was progressing as I was still contracting regularly, and because nobody had actually concluded about whether I had low fluids or not anyway, nothing was definite anyway. She examined me (2cm) and again in a couple of hours (4cm) and convinced the registrar I was progressing well enough to leave me to do it myself. The deal was that if the labour did slow down, syntocin would be considered again. And because I was now under consultant lead care I would have to be continually monitored throughout the labour (although interestingly, my MW who came out this week pointed out that I wasn?t under CLC as I hadn?t actually yet seen a consultant by then!)

I was upset at having to be monitored as I really wanted an active birth and knew already that moving around was such a help and making me feel confident and able to cope with the contractions and labour. When I was put on a monitor, just for 20 minutes initially and had to lay on the bed, the contractions got infinitely worse and for the only time throughout the labour I was scared and just wanted to cry.

Again, the midwife was great ? she suggested I was ready for gas and air and that I could move into a private delivery room. However, once in there I would have to be continually monitored, not just for 20 minutes at a time, so she suggested I cope on the labour ward as long as possible. Even in the delivery room, the midwife made a big show of needing a long time to complete her paperwork before she could attach the monitors, and regularly suggesting I take toilet breaks that lasted a while, and allowed me as much freedom as possible to move, and for this I can?t be grateful enough.

The G&A was fab for a while (and I kept making the funniest noises on it, which made me laugh whilst contracting ? not the best way to control my breathing!), but in the end being on the bed (even though I was on all fours) was getting to me and after another internal my progress was found to have slowed down. By this stage I lost all confidence in my ability, especially as the registrar returned to get on her syntocin high horse again. So I agreed to the syntocin and also requested an epidural as my movements would be further restricted by the drip. I hadn?t wanted an epidural, mainly because I don?t like needles, but was so glad I had it as I felt able to cope and strong enough to give birth again. And I think it gave DH confidence too, as I was going inside myself for each contraction and he felt pretty helpless ? although he didn?t know how much his presence was needed and that the few times he left the room I became very scared without him by my side.

About 20 minutes after the syntocin was started, the midwife suddenly pressed the panic button and within seconds there was another midwife and a senior midwife in the room, plus the registrar we didn?t like and a consultant ? all flipping me over, putting oxygen masks on me and talking 10 to the dozen. I didn?t have a clue what was going on and even whether the problem was with me or the baby, but DH looked scared, worried, angry, sad and a whole other load of things which scared me hugely ? and no-one would listen to me when I kept asking them to look after him. It turned out the baby?s heartrate had dropped right down and there was suddenly talk of an emergency C/S to get baby out. DH looked so frightened because the registrar had said to him ?if we don?t operate immediately we?ll lose the baby? and then turned her back on him, leaving to panic without any further info. Luckily the consultant was much calmer and studied the monitor for a while and noticed everything had stabilised, so decided they?d keep the labour progressing but without the syntocin if possible and luckily from then on there were no more hitches. At this point I was so thankful for the continuous monitoring, as they might have missed the low heartrate without it, so as I said earlier, everything did come together for a very positive birth.

It all carried on naturally, but was slowing down again so the midwives took the call to slowly start the syntocin to get my contractions strong enough to deliver. Luckily this time there were no ill effects and at 10pm I could feel a need to push. I was pleased that I could feel a tingling sensation of each contraction over the epidural (but bizarrely could feel my stomach rumbling very strongly!) which helped me to know when to push, and at this point DH really came into his own and became the most amazing midwife, holding my leg, encouraging me to breathe and push, talking me through the progress (DH: ?I can see her shoulders Zo?, Midwife: ?or her ears anyway!?) ? and didn?t even come over all squeamish when he saw me tearing (and pooing), just didn?t mention it and told me what a great job I was doing. It took half an hour of pushing, but in the end her head and body came out in one contraction and it was amazing to see her and have her passed into my arms. Her cord was wrapped round her neck twice but she was fine, and after a quick suckle Daddy took her whilst I was stitched up (I had a second degree tear right from my vagina to my anus ? it still hurts!) ? it was so beautiful so see them sat together just staring into each others eyes. They still do that everyday and it melts my heart everytime.

I seem to remember someone writing of struggling to connect straight away with their LO, and whoever it was, thanks for being so honest. Although I was completely in awe of Eloise, for the first couple of days I just felt like I would when I meet a friend?s newborn with no real bond beyond ?isn?t she cute?. I think I missed having her in my tum, and for the first 24 hours kept patting my stomach and feeling really sad to not get a kick back. However once we got home something started to kick in, mainly seeing how great DH is with her, and I quickly started to fall in love with my whole perfect little family and now love her to bits. Had I not read the earlier post and known that I wasn?t the only one to feel this way, I think I would have been quite distressed, so thank you so much for sharing.

This has turned into a bit of an epic, but I wanted to record everything before I forget it, so if anyone has been patient enough to get this far you deserve a prize!

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poisondwarf · 01/01/2009 11:49

Hi Cat,

When DS was born somebody gave me some Pee Pee Tee Pees (or something like that) which are like tiny felt wizard hats for popping over the little fella at changing times. To be honest, I don't think DS has ever sprayed in 21 months, which is bizarre I know, so I don't know if they work or not. DD on the other hand is a different story - having said that, she seems to have more or less stopped now (she's almost 4 weeks). Perhaps your DS will do the same. Anyway I can dig the tee pees out and bring you a couple next time we meet up if you like. Otherwise it's probably easiest just to fold over a corner of his towel over him as soon as you pop him down to change him.

On the poo front, while you shouldn't get too hung up about different colours and textures, if they are consistently solid or consistently green you should probably be looking at why. The ideal at this age for breastfed babies should be mustard yellow with a smooth consistency, something like thick soup I'd say. If the majority of his poos are like this then I'd say there's nothing to worry about. Green poo can mean digestive upset but more likely to be that he's not getting enough hind milk (especially if it's frothy). Not sure about solid poos - must admit that doesn't sound quite right but perhaps someone else will be able to offer an explanation.

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poisondwarf · 01/01/2009 12:14

Thanks for the birth story zoe - sounds like you all did brilliantly. I'm going to miss reading all the birth stories when we're all done. So interesting to hear all the different experiences and how we handle such unpredictable circumstances in our own ways.

Love the name too - it was on our shortlist as well.

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LadyThompson · 01/01/2009 12:16

Hooray! Congrats Effie! My mum's favourite boy's name - that's what I was going to be if I had been born a boy...

Verso, so sorry you aren't getting the support you need

Waiting Girl - please don't worry about giving her a dummy, although our LO wasn't interested in one for the first couple of weeks. She has one sometimes now. I think a dummy is preferable to leaving her to cry, which I think is just going to distress you. Think of it this way - a dummy is something that not only YOU are using to comfort her but that she is using to comfort herself. They do like to suck to comfort themselves and if it's you all the time you are going to get completely knackered and very very sore, which is no good if you need to feed her is it? They are only going to get 'addicted' to them if they are a lot older. The ones I have found very good and kind looking are the 0+ ones made by MAM. They are silicone and orthodontically designed, with a flat, ventilated teat and are just a good design. The other thing about dummies is that if you put a child to sleep with one they are supposed to reduce the risk of SIDS. I am no bf expert and I do know that people say bf is supposed to be established before you use a dummy but perhaps one of the bf'ers can clarify? Also, your parcel is ready to go up to the post office but it is closed today! Hope you are feeling better.

KMP - I think you are less likely to get pregnant when bf but it is still possible...So I think people are told not to rely on it. Also, I was told that after a cs your body needs time to heal so my obs said (I think, but I will check with her) to leave it for a year. It will take me at least this long to get all this weight off and it's a bit depressing to think that once I have it will probably all go back on again with Number 2, but that's life! I am 36 and don't have a stack of time. It might take me ages to get pregnant again, anyway. This one took no time but maybe that was a fluke.

ZJ, what is Strip Guess Who??

Mmm, I loved my quiet night in with a dvd and a glass of champagne last night.

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