wagoners have exchanged there wagon for a sleigh all prepared for christmas, presents are on board and sleigh is decorated with the brightest lights and decs mummys 2 be are ever closer to having there babes.

[tinkisexcitedabouthavingababy]

here we are this should help people recognise us

SORKY, agree that the two could well be related, but yes maybe post on pregnancy board? Interesting to read your thread too about after-pains. I suffered horrendously after dd3 was born, in agony, and actually stayed in 2 days after birth on grounds of after-pains. Idea of getting drugs from GP before hand a good one
WILSON, let's feel poo together! I really though my peak was last week, but sickness is still getting worse . Glad you can still get out and about. Disney/H&M haul sounds good . Agree Kilroy is a total arse .
GYO, how about a stab in the testicle? Not life-threatening, but would get your point across? . Seriously though, not good to be working in that kind of environment
LBOX cramps are totally normal - mine were at night too in early days. Meant to say too that me and dh were on those Marilyn Glenville supplements (and diet!). Now I can't stomach having to take 2 a day, and am on regular sanatogens.
HEEBS - still thinking of you. As SES says I would take the rest of the week off; you need to look after yourself at such a worrying time. xxx
Enjoy your sandwich KAY
Hope scan goes OK NAT!

'Ello 'ello 'ello

Scan was fine, baby is fine for dates, fluid is low (our theories Diege - we are always right sometimes ) not too low to cause major concern, but they want to keep an eye on it, so they've booked another scan for next Thursday (I think, will double check that! Next week anyway) I've got to go back in this Thursday for a trace, and probably again over the weekend or early next week for another trace, and I can go in any time in between if worried. Ermmmm, think that's it, so no solid answers, but feel like they are finally doing something rather than waiting for me to turn up at all hours!

That's good news NAT! Knew you'd be right . Baby is growing well, so obviously no concern at present, but good to have some sort of monitoring set up. Hope you can relax a bit now

I had the same MW as yesterday that raised her eyebrow at me when I said I think I'd lost some waters, felt good rubbing that in

They said they think he is about 5lb 1oz now, and we could see his face really clearly, he has huge chubby cheeks

Actually not sure I should be 'ing at the chubby cheeks, those chubby cheeks have got to get out of me somehow....

Ahh releived its all ok Nat.

LOL re chubby cheeks- am sure they will squash up nicely on the way out !

How exciting to see the face!! - so excited for you!!

Am loving all the torture suggestions for my boss.... maybe voodoo doll is next step.

Yes! Voodoo doll GYO, of course!!! We could all stick a virtual pin in and then drag him along through mud on the wagon trail .

NAT, that rubbing in must have felt good Could she look you in the eye?

Now you're going to say I'm mad, but I swear I can feel some fluttery movements . I remember them being same at 13 weeks with dd3, and these started today after a sweet drink. I know it's pretty much impossible as they don't even start moving until this week, but odd none the less!

LOL at voodoo doll, you can buy them on eBay y'know, not that I am giving you any ideas or anything... You could sit the doll on your desk and everytime the boss pisses you off just stick a pencil in his..... now now ladies, I was thinking belly, take your minds out of the gutter please!

Actually to be fair to the MW, she did sort of apologise, not quite an outright sorry, more of a "it seems you were right" felt just as good though

As for flutterings, I believe you, I had the same with DS2, I didn't say anything to anyone about them for weeks because I didn't think anyone would believe me, I even said myself it couldn't be the baby, and they didn't get stronger for a long time, but sure enough when I had my dating scan, the same flutterings I was feeling were from the movements he was making. Jeez, if this pregnancy alone has taught me one thing, it's that every single pregnancy ever is different in some way to the last!

Hi all

I hope all you wagoners are well and the MS is starting to subside . Have been keeping a sneaky eye on thread to see how everyone is doing and looking forward to leaping across in 2009 .

I hope you don't mind me popping over with a ttc question but I needed some friendly words of wisdom. I don't know whether any of you have ttc while you have been overweight but after a visit to my very rude GP I would appreciate any advice you guys could give me on the thread I have just started. Hopefully the link is below.

Cheers.

link to thread I hope

Hi XMAS! Good to hear from you - will have a look at your other thread .
That's interesting about early flutterings NAT, not just me then! Will keep them to myself for now - can just see midwife's face Interesting about voodoo dolls on e-bay - hmmmm....

YAY for Nat!!!! YAY for being right!!!!

My cousin's girlfriend is pg and is in labour!!! But my cousin just rang me and said that her MW told her not to eat anything incase she needs an emcs. Which I thought was really wierd as I was never told that. As its her first surely she needs to eat so she keeps her energy up.

Wow how exciting KAY! There's a no food policy in labour in my hospital too which makes me mad. I mean, if you can't sustain yourself while doing the hardest job of your life, then when can you? I always smuggle things in anyway and snack when midwife is out the room. Good that your place is more enlightened!

Hi all!

NJ - glad the scan went well. Must have been great to see him and his chubby cheeks Don't worry - if there lovely and chubby, they'll be squidgy too so will squash down for the big push!

I keep realising what a first timer I am. No food???! If you're in labour for like hours then you'll need some sustenance!!! Kay - v exciting though re your cousin! Let us know how she goes!

I'm so glad I have you guys to tap on your experience!

It is very exciting, she was due last Monday and I think she was starting to get worried. Our hospital is fine with food, they encourage you to take high energy snacks. Plus I wasn't given any food at all with DS and was starving. They said they forgot about me despite filling in the form about what I wanted to eat. So we had to go home via McDonalds.

ye nat knew you were right and bless @ chubby cheeks
i ate loads when i was in labour chocolate bars. crisps, sweets.
good luck for your cousins girlfriend

OK...am tempted to post this on the AIBU boards but not that brave... Will try and be impartial...

My DH comes from a large irish catholic family. Family is v important to him and he does find it difficult that all his 5 brothers and sisters, parents and 8 nieces & nephews are all over in Ireland. He would love to live near them but doesn't want to move back to Ireland.

When I was pg first time round, we decided early on that we would ask his youngest sister and my older brother to be godparents. DH said he wanted to ask his sister when she came over to visit in May (we found out I was pg in February and I would have been due October). At the time, I said that I thought that was too early and I would have wanted to wait until the baby was born. He disagreed. As it turned out we found out about the mmc in April and so it never became an issue.

Now I am pg again, we said we would keep our choice of godparents. DH has just come home. He gave me a big hug and said sorry. I asked what he was sorry for and he said that he'd done something that he knew I wouldn't have wanted - i.e he's spoken to his youngest sister and asked her to be godmother. I asked him why he did it if he knew I didn't want to. He said "But it's my baby sister and I wanted to ask her to make sure she would be free to travel over. We're seeing your brother in 2 weeks and you can ask him then". I said I didn't want to yet and he said "I'll tell him then!"

Now I love my DH v much and I can normally keep things in perspective because in the big scheme of things, this won't change how I feel about him and I still feel v lucky to have him and the life we enjoy.

I am v annoyed, angry and frustrated though that this is what he's done when he knew I wouldn't be happy. At the moment I've just calmly said that I'm not happy and annoyed as he knew I wouldn't want him to have asked her. I'm annoyed though that he knows there's nothing I can do now.

I would always have wanted to ask his youngest sister to be godmother but not until the baby was born.

What should / can I do???!!!

(Sorry for long post!)

I would be annoyed and upset too Ses. We had picked DS's godparents before he was born and we had him christened when he was 1 and we only told them a couple of months beforehand.

I suppose there isn't too much you can do now as he has already asked her. But you need to tell him that he has upset you and that it would have been nice to maybe ask her together. Plus the whole 'make sure she is free to travel over' is a bit odd(sorry) as unless you are super organised you wont have set a date for the christening yet.

Thanks Kay. His sister won't be booked up and we won't set a date until the baby is born (although it will probably be within 3-4 months of the birth).

I just feel like he's done what he wanted anyway (probably because he got over excited) and it's all out of my hands and I've not had a say. Or I've not been listened too.

At the moment I feel like either shouting at him or crying but I don't think either will achieve anything. I'll have to try and remain calm and explain how I feel.

IT'S NOT ON THOUGH!!!!

It is not on, you are right. Especially when he knew it would upset you. I'd be livid if DH did something he knew would upset me.

You do need to try and remain calm so he can see how much it has upset you. Men just don't think sometimes.

Grrrr....

Will let you know (or offload!) what conversation I have with him!

Hope you get it all sorted out.

I just stood up too fast and I have got stabbing pains in my bump. Bloody pregnancy, I have had enough

Well that didn't go well. I tried to stay calm and said that he'd done something when he knew it would upset me. He said he didn't know it would upset me this much and he didn't know what the big deal was.
I said it feels like he's just disregarded what I thought and felt.

Apparently his brother asked him to be godfather for his unborn son at about the same stage. I said that I'd never come across anyone asking before the baby was born before.

I also said maybe it would have been nicer to ask her together.

He then said that I'd told 2 of my friends I was pg before he told his brothers and sisters. Surely that is different? I told him I thought it was as I was needing support. The first few weeks are a nightmare for goodness sake when you've had a previous mc!

I can't see how he can compare the 2!
I then started crying and he thought I was getting things out of proportion and has gone in the other room.

I hate this!!

Sorry Kay - stabbing pains sounds v uncomfortable and I'm not suprised you've had enough. Scary thought though is that it shouldl all be over in a few weeks!

I think what's really upsetting me is that I'd really hate for something to go wrong now as if I was his sister, I would hate being godmother to a pregnancy that didn't work out.
That's just brought home to me how worried I am about things going wrong still.

Sorry, think I'm just using this to work through my thoughts now...

Telling 2 close friends when you need support is different. I told my best friend before my family and DH's family knew. I've never heard of anyone to ask before the baby is born.

It wouldn't have hurt him to have talked it through with you first so he would have known how you felt about it.

Aww Ses I can see exactly what you mean. Even after a healthy pregnancy with DS, I have worried so much with this one. Although everyone says once you get past the 12 week mark everything is fine, it never stops you worrying.

I was about 18 weeks with this one and had no internet so couldn't come on here for help. I hadn't put on any weight and I was terrified something was wrong. So the MW had to bring my scan forward by 2 weeks. Everything was fine and she did say you tend not to put as much on as quickly with subsequent pregnancies.

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