Due in November 08: Missing - 2 feet, last seen somewhere under bump in late August. If found, please massage and trim toenails before returning.

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Hi ladies, new thread as we seem to have outgrown the old one!

Vbab my back has been sore too so feel for you there, hope it doesn't last for you.

But why are you beating yourself up about BF already? Just relax, see how it goes... guilt shouldn't come into it esp not right now. I am just hoping it all goes as smoothly as last time for me but know that it may not. Whatever happens if you want to give it a try that is good enough for now. There will be plenty of support on here for anyone who needs it...

vbab, try not to feel guilty about it.

I was in your position with DD; I was prepared to give it my best shot, but if, like DS it didn't work, I wouldn't beat myself up about switching to bottles. The whole experience was totally different to that with DS (for a few probable reasons I have been able to fathom out since becoming interested obsessed with the subject) and we got off to a flying start! and I do think a lot of that was due to me being in a private room for three days and having the peace and quiet to do the bonding thing and lots of skin to skin contact (can't stress the importance of that)

If you go into it aiming to give it a go and take it one feed at a time, you can't go wrong really. And if it's successful, then great, but if it isn't, then that's OK too, and baby will have gotten some colostrum and benefitted from getting some immunity passed on.

we'll have no guilt trips here, OK

Merry - I will start a game with you. Then go to "join" and you will see the game. Gimme 2 secs.
Sparkle - maybe ignorance is bliss!

can I play too? or am i too late?

Merry I can't start a game with you because you haven't accepted my friend request yet!

Lacks - no, just waiting for Merry to accept me, then we can start.
Ps.I've started a new game with you already.

is that no i'm not too late, or no I can't play?

Yes, I see your new game . Was one 90 point victory not enough for you then?

And I have shamed myself by trying to check my pitifully wrong words in the chat window again

Lacks, I keep doing that too, checking words in chat. I just played someone random and lost badly. I am there, I don't know, I keep inviting you Margot

shall i try with the invite? merryM are you on my friends list?

right, I have both of you on a game. click join and it should be there at the top of the list.

You've all buggered off now though, haven't you?

I'm here!

Yikes, you lot have been chatty! I tried to catch up, but by the time I read it all, I can't remember what has been said. Must try harder to spend more time on MN tomorrow, lol!

I seem to have managed to upset the MIL today. It's her birthday and she asked dh this morning if ds1 could go over. I call the MIL at about 1.30 to say that yes, he could go over and that dh would pick him up at about 6pm as that is what time we have our tea, plus the kids were overdue for a bath. Ds2 stayed with me as they don't like upsetting him by having cake and food he can't have in front of him. As it turned out, ds2 came with me to the dentist to get checked out before giving me my antibiotics. Plus it was nice to spend some one on one time with him. Anyway, dh calls at 5.50pm and tells me he has only just arrived and ds1 was eating (WTF, I was just about to start tea!) and that they would be back at 6.30. Fair enough, so I take my time making tea, minus some for ds1. Dh shows up without ds1, said he was still eating. By this point, I am getting a little narked as I had specified I wanted him home at 6pm. I am quite strict with my kids routines, it works best for us. We eat. At 7.20, dh puts ds2 in the bath and I call up the inlaws as ds1 is STILL not home. I told FIL we really needed ds1 home now as he is overdue a bath and that we usually do that at 7pm. They finally show up at about 7.40 and before I can say anything, the MIL asks what all this was about 7pm (bare in mind I did not even mention 7pm to her, but to FIL) and that I shouldn't have said that, it wasn't nice and it was her birthday. I was too stunned to say anything except ask Connor to come in and get straight in the bath please, to which the MIL sniffed out a goodnight and left [shocked]. Dh seems to think I was wrong and that I should apologise! I wouldn't mind but I had specified that dh would pick him up at 6pm!!! She called a little later, while I was reading bedtime stories and spoke with dh and said that I had never said anything about wanting him home at 6 [hmmm]. I had no issue with him staying, but wished they had told me from the outset that they had actually planned a tea (I was told just cake on the phone), so that I could have been more specific about wanting him home. I know I am strict with my kids, especially with their routine/timetable, but at least my kids are pleasant and respectful, unlike the SIL's youngest (same age as ds1) who according to dh, kept telling his mother to shut up and calling her fat arse. Is it any wonder I wanted my ds1 home at 6??? He had been there since 2.30, plenty of time to spend with the inlaws. AIBU or am I in the wrong?? All I know is that if they can't follow simple instructions, I won't be calling on them for help when I go into labour.

Speaking of labour, I have great news! I had my growth scan today (35 weeks exactly). The scan was very quick, but I got what exactly what I needed. Baby's current estimated weight is 6lb 5oz, meaning he should be between 8 & 9 lb at 40 weeks!!! Woohoo!!!! It looks like my homebirth is going to GO AHEAD, providing everything remains the way it is right now. The midwife will confirm at my next appt on the 6th October (36+5) and they will be on call anytime from 37 until 42 weeks. I am soooo excited and really looking forward to D day now!

Wow how chatty have you lot been, came on yesterday to update you on my MW appointment but its took until this morning to read everything I had missed, and now I cant remember most of it as read last night!

I know when DD was born DH couldnt wait to ring eneryone the second she was born, and my mum was at the hospital before they had even finished cleaning me up after my stitches!!!!! I'm going to tell him to wait a little bit this time, although my mum will have dd so will want to see her quite soon!

Had my 34 week appt yesterday (well 34+4 weeks) and all fine, BP a bit low but nothing to worry about, measured spot on for date, so I said 'so this one might not be as big as dd as always measured bigger with her' but MW says they can have a growth spurt at 36 weeks so that could change!!

Great news heartmum about size of baby and getting the ok for your homebirth

HM2J thats brilliant news hope it al goes to plan for you!
Your MIL sounds lovely, mine always says - grandmas are supposed to spoil them - yes fair enough but they still need to stick to the norm and go with what you say. Surely by now she is aware you have a routine.
Lacks I'm glad i'm not the only one who checks my scrabble words in the chat window
Vbab Rutho & Lacks I would be up for meeting at Meadowhall, its quite a trek for me but i'm sure it will be worth it!

Vbab agree with Daisy, don't beat yourself up about bf. Just see how it goes. I lost my milk when my MW frightened me. I am determinded to do it for longer this time. But I have also reconciled myself to the idea. that if I don't, it is not the end of the world.

I have been very very sick this morning. Bright yellow bile as soon as I got up. Then I kept my toast down for all of a few minutes. These new tabl;ets that Prof gave me obviously aren't working. I don't want to keep having ketones, and them admit to to Kings - which is what they were threatening to do.

I was sick yesterday infront of the other school mums, when dropping ds off. NICE.

Visiting MIL's whio invite themselves. So glad I don't have that. My lovely sil is coming to stay for the week I will be in hospital and then she is going to stay for as many weeks as I need her. Which is nice. But I may want my home to myself . How to you balance the lovely sil, her help which I appreciate, but may want it just to be me, dh, ds and ds2 ? Tricky.

Sympathy to Heart2mum with her mil aswell. What is going on with all these mil's ? Are they feeling threatened by iminent new grandchildren ?

Atleast Heart2mum is getting a Hbirth. Great news.

obs - Hugs. Hope you feel better soon.

heartmum - I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. My MIL and FIL are nice people dont get me wrong but they either just dont think about other people's feelings or dont care as they just do whatever they want when they want and expect you to sort out around it.

Like you with DS I found that once I had established a routine with DS (from an early age) everything seemed so much easier. To be honest I think my DS thrieves on routine, even more so when younger. I had the same thing happen with DS when he was 1 or younger and it really peeved me off and we ended up with a DS who was beyond a handful(but always manage to never say it to MIL or FIL just DH). I dont think MIL and FIL have ever liked the fact that we like to stick to a routine but it was more strict with DS was younger. My DS is prettty well behaved most of the time (trying terrible 2's now on occassion) and is in bed between 7.30-8 (very latest) which since he was 1 has moved from 7pm but SIL (and a friend of mine) has no routine and seems to have trouble with her kids.

For as much as I love my in laws they annoy the hell out of me. Strange isnt it. Lots of reasons but the main one is just them and their what they want to do is the only thing that matters (especially re presents for xmas or birthday and will buy what they KNOW we or someone in my family has bought/ intends to).

When DS was 1st born (3rd grandchild, 2 to SIL) they wanted him to stay and was a danger of my mum and dad feeling pushed out (they are the dont want to upset anyone type). But since DS about 4months they have very rarely done anything with him never mind him stop (unlike other grandchildren who practically live with them). Then they announce they want to take DS away for a week in UK?! Needless to say it did not happen and never will. They have also said they want to him abroad! They go from nothing (especially no overnight) to want to take him away for a week abroad.

My mum and dad have constantly been there for DS, they understand him, the importance of routine and I would never hesitate DS being in their care but in laws are another matter especially when one of their other probs is when on holiday they seem to just let the kids roam and even when they have kids at their house sometimes dont know where they are ...

I wish on one hand that they had more to do (just asking would be nice) with DS like their other grandchildren. But on the other hand I am glad they dont have DS only a few days a year because or their "style" of grandparenting and the near accidents the other grandchildren have had in their care.

Sorry ... can of worms has been opened.

bf - Thanks for all you words of support .

Sauraus Use your hormones and shout a lot. ... OOh i could meet up too if people are meeting in the future at MEADOWHELL...

I'm banking on the fact that grandchild No6 will barely raise an eyebrow so we will be left in peace for a bit....although if they are looking after the DCs then they will be bringing them to the hospital or home again, so......

I'm trying to sort out a buggy. My head is going to explode with it all. thought we were struck on the P&T but there is an honest thread on here which is listing all the negatives at the moment and it's kind of putting me off again . we think it'll only be used for a year or so, and the cost is putting me off a bit............who said third children don't really cost anything? New car, new buggy, therapy for me; it all adds up!

May I suggest to keep track that those ladies wishing to meet up at Meadowhell err sorry meadowhall at some point add their name to north/middle meet up?

does anyone want to try the Meadowhall (lol at Meadowhell) thing before the babies are born?

thanks vbab....I didn't realise there was a thread

Vbab, thanks for the support, although sorry it isn't just me who has issues with the inlaws. After yesterdays fiasco, ds1 did not go to sleep until nearly 11pm and in turn kept ds2 up until nearly the same time, even though I tried to get back onto the routine as soon as he got back. My boys have a set routine at bedtime, but I am usually fairly lenient about what they do once they are in their rooms (benefit of home schooling, don't have to get up too early the next day), but 11pm is pushing their luck! It wouldn't be so bad, but ds1 was up at 8, so he won't be in the best of moods come later this afternoon and neither will I as have been up with toothache/heartburn all night! All I can say is MIL had better leave me alone today as I may not be able to control my temper on so little sleep.

Also, re the BF thing, you have to do what's right for you and if you think that BF'ing is going to stress you out, then do whatever is going to make you a happy mummy! Happy mummy = a happy baby, no matter how they are fed.

Oblamov, I am sorry you are still so sick, I bet baby can't come soon enough for you? HUGS.

Morning

I seem to have been blessed with an OK MIL. She always means well but drives me a little insane when she goes on about how knackered she is all of the while. She s very independant though and loves having DD and always does nice things with her when she has her to stay. She is also FAB at ironing

By the way am I the only one on here who irons everything with the exception of underwear? I even ironed the baby's sleepsuits vests and sheets this will have to change!

Been feeling a little low but today for some reason I feel happier!

Sorry to hear about sickness Ob's. X

To illustrate the sie of my pregnancy brain today I was about to pour my cereal into my tea! Doh!

Would love meet up in Meadowhall (just over hour away) however pushing a little close to date and SPD and crutches there would not be good!

Sound words of advice regardng BF, don't cut yourself up, if you want to try it and it does not work out happier mummy is more important than beating yourself up. X