Twins Club 3!! All welcome :-)

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Hello to everyone expecting twins!
Join us here for some mutual reassurance

MrsStevo, #1 & 2, EDD 23/08/2011, Lincs, MCDA ID,
Tiggersreturn #2+3 EDD 26/09/11 NW London DCDA - not finding out
silverangel #1+2 Sophie, 3lb3 & Alice3lb1 born at 31+2 on 01/08/11 EMCS
PrincessScrumpy #2 & 3, girls
BB3, #2&3 (#1 DS) DCDA girls born 20.09.11 by EMCS at 37 weeks exactly - Edith-May 5lb 11.5oz and Ayse-Rose 6lb 1oz.

PeelingmyselfofftheCeiling #1+2 EDD, DCDA, Boy and Girl, Born 14 Sept
Twinnerves, DCDA, #2&3, girls Francesca and Isabella, born 18/11/11 EMCS 6lbs 6 oz and 6lbs 9.5oz
xkatyx , ID girls, DC 8,5,9months, EDD 21/12/11
Quempin #1&2 EDD 27/1/12, ID surprise
Ravenlocks DCDA, #1&2, EDD 28/01/12
Tabbycatt, DCDA, 2 boys, DC 2 & 3, EDD 30/1/12
Claireinmodena DCDA, Boy & Girl, DC 3 & 4 (!!), EDD 23/02/12
Dreamfeeder, DCDA, DC 2 & 3, EDD 12/4/12
BigBoobsAtLast, MCDA, DC 2&3 EDD
CarrieInAnotherTWOBabiTWINS DCDA DC 2&3, EDD 28/06/12
Caesnake, DCDA, DC 2&3, EDD

Tabby - one day at a time with ebf - I lasted until 12 weeks and they now have one formula bottle but they're going through another 'spurt' and I'm finding bfing harder again x still we'll get through it xxx

Dream - I find leaving three easier than one (pfb an all that!) - not sure why almost like they have each other or I can't focus all my concern on one so it's easier - ish!

Good luck tomorrow x

Good luck tomorrow with the MMR dream. My DD was actually better with that one than the others so I'm keeping my fingers crossed it's the same for you.

God, I'm so emotional at the moment, the slightest thing sets me off weeping. It's getting embarrassing. I've got a mw appointment tomorrow, but have to take DD with me so not how much I'll actually take in! She is very good at 'helping' with the blood pressure cuff...

Wow lots going on! Congratulations tabby and good news on the scan modena. Sorry if I have missed folks, i am on my phone so not easy to track posts.

Went to first session of antenatal yoga last night. Enjoyed it, although dont really sign up to the more 'spiritual' (IYKWIM) side of it, it was good to focus on myself for an hour and meet some other preggers woman. Will go again!

My dd home from nursery today poorly. Doc appt tomorrow. I was up half the night with her and I am knackered today. Another rough night ahead m'thinks, poor little thing.

Hope jab went ok 'dream'. My dd didn't have any reaction so hope yours is the same.

Hope the mmr was ok dream! I am
Now 34 weeks, will have to phone ny dr and check if I can move a bit more, I think I might have to wait at least 35 wks though.
Tbh I a but daunting, after 7 weeks of only going out in the car with dh to appointments, I feel like I cant manage driving or going out on my own! Even thr school run feels daunting . I know I will be fine as soon as I am out snd about but I am out if practice iykwim!!

I doubt I will do muvh anyway, I'm definitely getting quite unconfirtable now. Putying on weight at the speed of light (1.5kg last week) , ag this rate I'll gigantic in a few more weeks! I am
Waddling very funnily because of bump and hateful heamorroids which wont go (even without constipation sorry if tmi), still having pelvic pain (but mainly in bed), and am painfully aware it is only going to get worse.., and yes heartburn (byt ghat us very erratic random, dont get ut every day luckily).

Ok, whinge over!!! Hope all the new mummies are doing well, need to get up to scratch re cs as have no idea about them!

Hi Claire, sympathies, sounds hard.... I'm still having loads of pain and bleeding going to the loo, assuming same problem, unless third degree tear related. Plus heartburn and loads of rib pain. It's hard this twin pg lark!! But you're doing so well, not long now!

bigboobs, your poor dd. It's so hard when the pg is so tiring too being up loads in the night. I hope she's much better soon.

Hope all those with their twins at home are doing well despite the constant demands I imagine.

Poor dd, took Dh til after 10pm to settle her to sleep, he said she was v upset. Plus she's already been up screaming after 20 min asleep. I have just managed to rock her back to sleep, but I think we may have a long night too bigboobs! Cinema was good though, the babies went crazy at all the noise and vibrations in the cinema!

Agh, just had mw appointment. Everything fine, heartbeats were great and my bp was l o w (98/48 this time round!!!), but they're both still breech. I know it's early days, but I would be really gutted if they didn't turn.

Had a very interesting/enlightening conversation with my mw about double breech births - she's worked a lot in Africa and has attended quite a few, but obviously they don't 'do' them here, mainly due to litigation she said. However, I asked her hypothetically what would happen if you refused the c-section and she said they'd have to do it because they have a duty of care...all grist to the mill. I'm not saying I would, but...anyway, still too early to start worrying, but I am, so what can you do?

I'm sorry for all those have hard nights right now, hope you all get some rest/sleep soon. xxx

Oh rednellie thsts z bummer !

How many weeks ard you now?

I was reading on another thread about someone whos twin turned at 37 weeks, but I dont hold out much hope, nothing is going to plan in this pregnancy! I was talking to a friend about her cs at the samd hospital as mine and wasnt impressed!! Dh is not allowed in and she saw her twins briefly thdn whisked away to incubators as they were quite small, she saw the first after 24 hrs and the second after 40

I am so nog looking forward to this part!

Dream so glad you had a nice night out! You certainly deserved it. Hope the night wasnt too bad.

I'm almost 30 weeks so there's still time etc etc. But it would such a bummer if they didn't turn. Especially as it's a second pregnancy, I know I could get them out given half the chance.

I'm sorry about your hospital policies claire, I'd be sad too. Can you come to some sort of compromise with seeing the twins after a c-section, if that's what ends up happening? Don't let it mess with your head though, it's important to try and keep positive - hard though it is. (Btw, I'm saying that, but I'm certainly not walking the walk. I'm getting all worked up about it too!)

I am very impressed by both of your positive attitudes claire and rednellie. I should be ashamed of my hoping for twin 1 to be breech so the decision is out of my hands and it's expected I should have a CS... I think 30 weeks is still time to turn, looking at some of the TAMBA threads I think I saw someone whose twin turned at 34 weeks? Did the mw think there was much chance?

I had quite a hard night last night with DD- she was up at 11, 12ish, 2ish (when I spilt Calpol on her beige carpet, and don't think a quick wipe with a baby wipe and leave it for today has done anything to prevent it staining...) and 4ish, though she did then sleep til 8:30 (but I was of course woken by DH getting up and ready for work etc and I find it so hard to get back to sleep in between, I'm half listening out for her, then can't get comfy...). I am so tired I wonder how I will cope with the 2 newborns too, although there is of course the massive advantage of not being pregnant!

claire, that does sound hard if you get limited contact wih the babies after CS at your hospital. Were your friends twins prem? Hopefully, if you get to term or very near you wouldn't be in the same situation anyway, or is that a bit optimistic?

DD is asleep, so i should go to bed and make the most of the peace for now. The bedtime, although not getting earlier, had started to involve a bit less crying- well, not anymore. SO though she is calpoled, I'm not sure how long she'll stay asleep...

My friend was shown her twins very briefly, they were not prem (36wks) but quite small (she cant remember the weights!) and needed help keeping warm.

So it may be better in my case if I dont have thd same issue, on the other hand, how on earth do I cope with 2 babies and a fresh cs scar? She didnt get much help from anyone at thr hospital . That was almost 4 years ago, hoping some things have changed! Will have to ask my dr lots of questions next time I see her! I really know very little about cs..

Dream dont forget that rednellie snd I had very positive experiences with our natural births, quite unlike yours! I'm pretty sure I'd have no qualms about a cs after a 3rd degree tear like yours! I would probably demand one. but I also hate medical procedures especially after my chemo and breast surgery, I was touched, prodded and punctured and injected by do many people abd took do many meds that I've had enough for the rest of my life, then of course come the twins and I end up with a very medicalised pregnancy (sods law isnt it?) so thats my strong motivation for a natural birth!

Hope you get a decent nights sleep!

rednellie My DT were breech so I ended up having a C-section (which was absolutely fine) But a midwife told me there's some sort of acupressure they can do on your feet to help babies turn. Have to do it far earlier with twins. She was qualified to do it as well as being a qualified midwife. Worth asking around. Apparently it's very effective.

Also some hospitals will agree to double breech births. royal London used to (may still, not sure.) Personally there's no way I'd risk it. C-section is safer for the babies. (And tbh I really loved mine. No pain at all, and was up and about far quicker than friends with natural births who had all sorts of tears.

Thanks everyone, it is early days and as claire said, I'm only pushing for a natural birth because my previous experience was so good - if I was in your shoes dream I'd be the same. Also, I guess it's the entering the unknown with a c-section too - I thought doing it all again I'd know what I was doing, but suddenly you're faced with a very different proposition. Does that make sense?

My doula pointed me in the direction of this site, Sinning Babies. Tbh, I've only skim read it so far and some of it looks a bit too weirdy beardy even for me, but some of it makes sense. Am going to attempt the crazy looking inversion tonight with DH. Let's hope I don't give myself concussion on top of everything! I'll have a look out for that technique you said racingheart, I don't officially 'believe' in relflexology but I had a session when I was being threatened with induction last time and went into labour 4 hours after, so who knows? Could just be the power of the mind and placebo effect, but it was effective!

dream, I'm so sorry sleep is still an issue. Are you getting a nap when she goes down during the day? It's important you catch up on some sleep. And you'll be fine once the twins come. xx

Oh and that should have been Spinning Babies, not sinning...although they are, the naughty boys!

Hi Quempin, hope everything is going ok with your twins at home. I have got lots of questions for you as I am having ID too (boys - are yours boys?). But I will wait as I am sure you have better things to be doing just at the moment!

Dream, I do hope you are catching up on rest during the day - is your DH giving you a beak over the weekend? I have no words of wisdom for you (if onyl I did, I would listen as well!) but it WILL get better. Does your DD still have milk before bed? Also, something that really helped my DD as she got older was having teddies in bed with her - seemed to help her feel comforted. Just a thought.

I havent't really thought ahead to the birth yet, but my consultant made it sound as if a c-section is my only option - but not sure if this is really the case? I am happy to go with that as although DD's birth was ok, I did have some problems after so not going to be too upset if I don't get to do that again!

bigboobs, quempin did indeed have boys! I can't catch up on rest in the day really, as DD is also refusing cot naps, I have to do the dreaded Walk of Sleep in the buggy with her, so don't even get that time now (hopefully she may go back to sleeping in her cot in the day though...). And today we met up with friends with children in the Lakes to go swimming with the children, then pub lunch and a walk. It was lovely, a gorgeous day for it but I feel very guilty now. DD wasn't on form, and felt hot to me, and wouldn't eat... Slept well in her buggy (we got my City Mini up a very small hill in the Lakes as I insisted she be able to be snuggled in and lying down, not awkward in the backpack as I'd realised she wasn't right by then). Got her home to find she was blooming hot (temp of 39), still not eating, clingy and miserable.... What a bad mother- she's been in the pool and walked up a hill!!!!! So, quite a lot of not-resting, and having had to walk her in the buggy yesterday, my back is very sore today. My DD won't drink milk- I stopped breastfeeding at 16 weeks as it was too sore, and she won't drink any milk now, but I always offer a beaker at bedtime, and she sometimes has a sip. She has 4 little teddies in her cot. When she used to lie down when you put her in, I'd stroke her face gently with the little soft rabbit she has, then cuddle it into her... Can't now, she's up on her feet shouting and bouncing!!!

Ss DD's got a fever, cough, runny nose and generally under the weather- but I presume this is the MMR and boosters she's just had?! Poor baby, she deserves a run of good health! The only really bad bit of todays activities was it allowed the husbands to concoct another stupid walking up a big hill in the dark then going for a curry plan... So I'm home alone trying to get a poorly DD to settle (fat chance hey when I can't do it when she's well!!!)

racingheart, I'm so encouraged you said you loved your section! That makes you, and bb3 who both have very positive CS experiences.

claire, sounds like the hospital may just have very different policies to those here. It may well have changed in 4 years though, that's actually quite a long time in hospital terms! I think they're all questions that you're right to ask though, as barring the operation itself, the after part with the babies is the most important. Totally sods law you have such a medicalised pregnancy. plus that is hasn't been plain sailing with the shortened cervix and bedrest. But you do get TWO lovely babies, to play with each other, and be great companions to each other, and you get the blessing of twins and eternal twin commetns and watching them together for yourself!

rednellie, I have heard of spinning babies too, not looked yet though (will if DD ever settles). I hope you get them turning- good luck! I agree, some things you don't believe in can be worth a shot, especially when there's no harm done. I was also very scared before my first labour (of having to be induced, an instrumental delivery and a big tear, and I ended up with 1 and 3!!) but I did a CD type relaxation and visualisation plus breathing techniques thing that I had no faith in whatsoever, and it totally swayed me-even into considering a homebirth from wanting an ELCS first time round!!! And even when things weren't going well with DD, and 20 hours into my induction with awful contractions every minute and they announced I was not dilated at all, not even 1cm and I wasn't in labour, I was still determined to have her naturally which was quite possibly a mistake bearing in mind my tear So got to be worth a try.

Oh dear, it had all gone quiet upstairs, and I thought DD might have been asleep, but she's just had a coughing fit and is crying so best go cuddle...

quempin, I'm thinking of you and your boys, hoping the exhaustion isn't too bad and you're healing ok. So good to hear you loving being a mummy, hope the boys are giving you lots of delicious newborn snuggles. xxx

Morning all

dream I might be wrong but I think dd's sleep is linked to her constant stream of illness - I don't think she's been well all the time ive known you (so to speak) and I do think once she is better she will improve no end

Quemp, raven - how you getting on?

Who is next to pop ladies? I can't remember with my baby brain

Claire - can you speak to the hospital about the process? I can't speak highly enough about my cs but then it sounds like yours would be quite different. Do you get much of a say over there? I was adamant I wasn't having ga and they did listen to me even though it was against their advice. X

Thanks BB3, not much flexibility here, but I'm seeing dr on tue, and will ask lots of questions!

Can I ask why did they want to do ga? I should be having spinal if its planned, not sure uf its emcs.

I am getting so impatient now, so looking forward to seeing them!!

Dream, how was last night? I think BB3 is right - I know its easily said but trypo not to worry about what will happen when you have the twins as DD will be back to her usual self by then, I am sure.

Claireinmodena, how many weeks are you? have you not got very long to go? Very exciting, and I know what you mean about being impatient - I am already and I am only 21 weeks!

I was wondering if it would be worth updating the list with the arrivals etc? Don't want to hijack the thread but thought I would ask! Its hard t keep up with all the goings-ons!!

I have got 5 weeks left at work (taking lots of annual leave before starting mat. leave at week 36) - which I know does not sound long but I would leave tomorrow if I could so thinking of bringing it forward. Although only 21 weeks I am really feeling it - just bending down and picking things up does me in! And I feel like I should get all the rest I can (DD will be in nursery three days a week still so will have three days a week when i cld really rest) before the boys arrive (it sounds so funny saying 'boys'!!).

Honestly (and I might be being mean) I think it was easier and quicker for them to put a mask over my face than do a spinal! It was an emergency cs at midnight they only had one senior anaesthetist and one junior on duty and they were obviously needed elsewhere as well and spinals take more time and need to be monitored more closely - I had both anaesthetists in with me for the duration of the surgery one paediatrician (should be two with twins but it was an emcs so they couldn't get two there in time), one consultant and my midwife (and loads of nurses). Officially they said because of the speed my labour was progressing and the position of the babies it would be safer for me but my mw looked a bit bewildered by that comment and I refused. I consented to ga should problems arise during it but I wanted to be awake for the surgery. Took them ages to get the spinal in but they did and it was lovely (after 8 months of carrying that load, the feeling of weightlessness was lovely!!)

On the ward that morning a lady did say to me she was waiting ages on an epidural because the anaesthetists were busy with an emergency twin c section which I felt a bit guilty about but I needed to be awake when my babies were born especially as I was initially so upset about not getting a vb. I was worried that I'd find it harder to bond if they were just there when I woke up and I didn't like the idea of not being the first to know what sex they were etc.

I've also never, ever had any sort of operation that required more than local and I generally don't like the idea of being put to sleep so I said no. A flat no I don't want ga and he trotted off to talk to my consultant at which point I said to my midwife I categorically didn't want ga and she said she didn't think I would have to - they all chatted for a bit then came back and said we'd try spinal first and it was fine - my consultant was brilliant I was wheeled into theatre just after midnight they started just before half past and the girls were out 00.44 and 00.47 and I was in recovery by 1.15! I enjoyed it so much I'd be happy to have any more kids by cs as it was much nicer than labour!

Good morning lovely twin ladies :)

I hope you don't mind me joining but I wanted to come over to the antenatal thread that so many have talked about! It's a very tentative step forward so I hope you will all hold my hand :)

I'm currently 11 weeks and found out last week that I am having mcda twins!!! Quite a shock as I already have 2 ds, who are 7 and 3 :)

this week has been quite stressful and I've felt low, but today is a new day and I am still pregnant and feeling much better hoping this is because I've reached 11 weeks and not that my hormones have died.

I've been lurking for a good few weeks now since I found out I was having twins, congratulations to those who have had their beautiful babies :) and I hope you lovely pregnant ladies will allow me to join your journey with you :)

goingmadtrying - Welcome! It's lovely to have you here. Congratulations on expecting twins, it really is very exciting and any hand holding we can do we'll do it.

dream what everyone else said. Your DD has had a rough old time of it, and it's all come at a stage where she might have had disturbed sleep anyway (accumulating language, being able to move etc etc) so I think you're doing brilliantly. Just think, you've got through almost the whole of your pregnancy with twins with a LO who's not been sleeping and you're still able to come on here and give good advice and type without making practically a single spelling mistake! I'm not being facetious, I really think you're doing great.

quempin glad you're enjoying your babies so much. Makes me quite jealous (and excited).

And BB3, thanks for the description of what happened with your EMCS, it really helps to hear RL stories of how it happens.

I'm up at 4.30am this morning, this has been going on lately - I wake up, middle of the night and just have to eat. Literally starving. I've started to go to bed with a boiled egg and a banana by my bed. Very annoying.

How do we do the whole stats board thingiemagig again? I'm not on it, and not we've got another couple of newbies and lots of new babies it'd be nice to update it?

Welcome "goingmad" it is lovely to have join us!! I aldo have 2 older childer aged 10 snd 7 and do worry a lot about coping with four!!

Bb3 thanks fir the explanation, I wouldnt like a ga either, have had teo and felt very tearful and sleepy for at least 12 hours afterwards, hated the whole experience, it may have been psychologicsl too, second ond was breast cancer surgery so I was all over thr place anyway, but I would really want to avoid it. It is giod to hear your positive experience with cs, hope mine will be similar!!

Big boobs I am 34+3, dr ssid she would book a cs at 38 wks if t1breech, so thats another 3-4 weeks wait!
The babies combined weight is now 4.150kg, my heaviest child was 3.3 at 41 weeks, no wonder I feel the strainl!