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December 2011: Scratching, squeezing, hatching and latching...

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LittleMissHumbuggery · 10/12/2011 22:43

...and those of us left are doing a fair bit of bitching:o

I wonder if we could get a [pompoms] going on? Do we have the energy for a campaign?Wink

Right, come on! We're a third of the way through the month and Nickelbabe needs new recruits for her advent thread. Get squeezing:o

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Mizza76 · 03/01/2012 23:03

HI all, not sure if anyone remembers me I was a fairly regular poster here until June, when I went on a long holiday and despite occasional lurking, never really resumed my mn habit. Really glad I checked in tonight though am so glad to see that I'm not the only one struggling with breastfeeding. I can honestly say I have been on the verge of giving up every single day since my baby was born exactly 4 weeks ago today.

At first he seemed to know exactly what to do (my older 2 girls never did and I never managed to bf them properly) but within days, he had lost too much weight and I was advised by the midwives to top him up (ironically it later emerged he hadn't lost as much as they thought the mw's scales were broken!!!), leading to nipple confusion for almost a week he completely rejected the breast over 50% of the time. It was so frustrating. Somehow we got over that, then we both developed thrush, and now we seem (fingers crossed) to be almost rid of that, he's not latching on so well any more and my nipples are sooooo sore, cracked and bleeding (sorry if tmi). Sometimes it is so painful I've actually cried.

At the moment he's getting most of his milk from the bottle, but I am trying to offer him the breast first. Yesterday I did give up for over 12 hours because I just couldn't face the thought of the pain. In the end though I just couldn't give up (although strangely I was completely at peace with the fact I bottle fed my first two -- perhaps because this one actually seemed to know what to do, it seems like more of a shame to give up?).

The last couple of feeds have been better -- hope it gets easier because I am really only able to take it one day at a time at the moment. In full sympathy with everyone here experiencing similar bf difficulties!

aethelfleda · 04/01/2012 01:24

Hiya - quick update post for you all: I'm bloody delighted very pleased to announce the arrival of Albert Thomas William ( the artist formally known as Widget) who pitched up at 8 lb 10 oz at 7 days overdue.

After weeks of twinging and whinging, I had the usual aches and pains overnight, but suddenly got contractions 5 mins apart at 4 pm. Took DDs to Grandads at 4.30, rang hospital shortly afterwards as they were 4 mins apart, en route were 3 mins apart, at triage were 2.5 mins apart... Think you can see where this was heading!!
Actual birth swift and much much better than DD2s mad rush, got a waterbirth in the pool with gas and air, (thanks for advice on that one!) 15 mins shoving and it was FAB. Baby did poo on way out so have to stay in til tomorrow afternoon for obs but he seems fine so far.

Very happy and thank you all SO much for your support while I've been climbing the virtual walls!! for the others waiting too, we're all so nearly there now!

Right, lets see if I can get a catnap while Albert is in between poos....

festivefiggy · 04/01/2012 02:55

Aethelfelda congratulations glad he has finally arrived and lovely name!!!

Mmmmcheese · 04/01/2012 04:26

Congrats aethel! So glad all your waiting is over and sounds like a fab birth!

I am on my second feed since midnight...Hmm

mopsytop · 04/01/2012 06:21

Congrats aethel !!

hopeful1 · 04/01/2012 07:08

Many congratulations aethel, sounds like a great labour, you deserve it after all your waiting! Great name too!

DarcieandSnowballsmum · 04/01/2012 07:52

Congrats Aethel Love his name Grin

Sky had a very grizzly night so shattered.com

msbuggywinkle · 04/01/2012 08:14

Congratulations aethel enjoy those long-awaited snuggles!

Better night again last night, back to Miri's current normal (once a night...sorry) after a bit of an unsettled one the night before. We have Home ed friends round today which I am looking forward to, haven't seen them since before Christmas as they have been staying with family.

bennybenbear · 04/01/2012 08:39

Congrats aethel!

Bad night here too, v little sleep and little monkey still screaming his head off. Health visitor and midwife coming today so will see a stressed mummy on the verge of tears now! Why is this feeding lark so hard?!

LittleMissFlustered · 04/01/2012 09:08

I lost a pompom buddy!Wink

Congrats aethel and am glad you had a birth you wanted:) Albert is a fabulous name:)

I'm about to ring around to find some care for the kids as I want to go in to be monitored. Not had any of the usual protests and disco moves from the octopus the last day, so need to see if all's well.

See you later:)

MissRee · 04/01/2012 09:43

Congrats Aethel Grin

LittleMissFlustered · 04/01/2012 10:18

Well, I was about to phone ADU when the octopus did a backflip. Going to go for a walk instead of the hospital. Mightily fed up now:/

AWomanCalledHorse · 04/01/2012 10:41

Sotired, reassuring to know I'm not alone in not waking to baby cries, hope we both start waking soon. x

Conrgats aethel!!

HoneyLovesChristmasCake · 04/01/2012 13:30

Congrats aethel

Sorry to hear about your BFing problems Mizza

Rocco will be 1 month old on Friday, where are the days going Shock

I guess my housework-free babymoon is over now? I don't feel ready :( Rocco is clean, fed & dressed & I've had breakfast but am still in pjs & dressing gown Blush He has been nursing all morning which I really don't mind as we have had no tears over fast let down (yet) but how am I supposed to do anything else? Confused

msbuggywinkle · 04/01/2012 14:01

honey you don't! At least, not until at least you have both had your six/eight week checks. The only things I am doing apart from slobbing about are feeding and playing with the DDs, Miri is a month old next Tuesday.

HoneyLovesChristmasCake · 04/01/2012 14:24

Really? Ok. Will see how DP feels about this when he gets in Hmm I probably shouldn't have been so stroppy with him when he got in half an hour late last night after snooker practice leaving no real time for him to spend with Rocco (or me) before bed...especially as I stropped off to bed early.

Are you using washable nappies msb? And managing to wash & dry them? I haven't started using mine yet as I didn't think I could manage the washing but was planning to start this week. Now I'm thinking I should get into my groove before giving myself another job to do why do disposables have to be so bloody easy Grin

mopsytop · 04/01/2012 15:52

I wanted to use washable nappies too but I am finding it hard enough keeping up with the normal washing, especially managing to dry it in our tiny house as it's too awful weather to hang anything out. I am still expressing and doing some breastfeeding but it's so hard. But so also are the stupid new bottle feeding rules where you basically have to sterilise a bottle and make a feed for EVERY feed. Super impractical. You are 'not allowed' to make them all up in the morning and store in the fridge anymore. It is so irritating. I am having all the hassle now of breastfeeding, expressing AND sterilising / making up feeds every 3 hours. I don't understand why it is suddenly considered unhygenic to make them in advance. If you sterilise everything and cool them and put them in fridge, how is the bacteria going to grow?

Hope everyone is getting on okay today! I managed to get out for a walk in the howling wind. She was all snugged up in her fluffy snowsuit so slept happily throughout.

msbuggywinkle · 04/01/2012 16:09

Yes, we use washables (and don't have a dryer) DP does all of the housework atm but the routine is that nappies and clothes washed happen on alternate days. He puts the wash on while making the dinner, gets it out while I do bedtime, puts away when we go to bed. We do have a 9kg machine which makes it easier!

No way could we manage washables and expressing and bottles though mopsy I started using washables when DD1 figured out bfing.

mopsytop · 04/01/2012 16:12

I guess I can wait a while and see how I get on and make the change a bit later on if things calm down a bit on the feeding front.

bennybenbear · 04/01/2012 16:15

I also wanted to use reusables but definitely couldn't cope at the moment.

We just had first midwife check in ten days and Ollie's weight has stayed static. I'm devastated that I haven't been producing enough breastmilk for him but am going to try and top up with expressed milk for a couple of days to see if he puts on any. They've given us a couple of days to try that before we have to go back to hosp. Gutted though still.

PludolphTheRedNosedReindeer · 04/01/2012 16:41

An interim catch-up....

So sorry for the long silence. From skimming the thread, I gather that a lot of people are having the weight gain/growth spurt problem. We avoided going into hospital for Christmas(there is jaundice to be considered, as well as the weight loss), but I have been stuck feeding quite a lot, which adds to the "unproductive" (in the adult sense of the word) hours of the day. DD is gaining, but still hasn't regained her birth weight, and is just over 3 weeks old. The last MW did say, though, that the scales at the initial weighing could have been wrong, so I hope that unprompted-by-me comment will help reassure others!

DD is visibly gaining weight, though - her trunk no longer looks like an insect thorax (as feminine as a wasp waist is, that's not a look I want for my human child!)

Congratulations to all the new mothers!

littleMiss, how is your mouth feeling?

So sorry about the chickenpox, mmmcheese. When do you expect the run of it to be over?
Defnitely ignore the doorbell! If it makes you feel less guilty, put a note on the door about the presence of anew baby, and you should get bothered less!

DarcieandSnowball, I bet i felt good to hear the MWcalled a miserable old cow!

aethelfleda*, so glad you will now be able to sit for the marathon feedings without disocmfort! Smile

airofHope, that comment about housework being more important than spending time with children really struck me hard. If they try to articulate that, could you try the MN classic: "sorry, could you repeat that?" Make them repeat it, and then look at them with scorn and tell them that would be irresponsible, and you're not impressed with the suggestion you neglect the children for the sake of a floor. Have these people never heard of the FLY lady philosophy?!

Welcome back, honey, even though the news was not the best. Sorry you've had such a rough start. Does the fact that you've returned to MN mean you feel theworst is over?

aethel, sounds a good decision re the car. We are real diesel heads, even though it;s our firstcar - they are brilkliANT. Last year made it from se london to west country, driving a bit there, and back on one tank (about 60l)!

AirofHope, the Data Protection issue to target is probably use of information beyond the purpose for which it was collected. At this stage, ou might only be able to get the SW to re-issue the report with the extra information excluded, but if you achieve that, I really hope you can consider that a moral victory and a point made in your favour. You could stress the fact that you feel your past is being held over you, and you are not being given the opportunity to heal, and prove yourself anew.

A warning about weight gain: I lost a lot of weight while bf DS last time, BUT put on more after stopping bfing, as I had got into naughty cake habits. BEWARE!!! As for now, I've now got a waist from behind, but my tummy is still sticking out thanks to the split muscles.

FirstNoelChincilla, I'm very impressed by the Bluewater trip. I've been longing to get there, to get some bloody nursing bras, but over xmas is just not rthe time to be doing it, and the feeding frenzy is getting in the way, as well! I hope to get there this Friday!

kri5ty, I didn't bond very well at first with DS, so very much identify with your feelings, only I have never believed in love at first sight, so I was able to hang on and foster love slowly, the sort of love which is strong because it is made up of many, many of thin threads. This kind of love is dearness in the true sense of the word: lovingly dear and dear because of the effort it cost. no matter how traumatic the start, how elusive that "baby love" we all hear a lot about, this kind of love is attainable; you just have to have faith in it. Don't worry about having to wait until you have recovered mentally and physically from the agony of your birth experience. After all, that will have taken a lot of kindness out of you because you are simply too exhausted.

Tinselperion, your FIL is being totally unreasonable, and very much a shit, as you say. The ancestry business sounds very much like the classic "standing on the shoulders of giants", doesn't it? Hmm And hasn't he heard of Names like the Bonham Carters and Rees-Moggs? No-one would know who plain ten-a-penny Bonhams or Carters or Rees or Moggs were!
If he ever becomes approachable again, perhaps he could watch something like Les Visiteurs, in which the modern generation cares not so much for its past, whereas when the ancestor realises he has descendants, he is moved to tears (in an otherwise fun and light-hearted film - catch him off guard!).
(Hawthers, I'm sorry you, or anyone else, can understand what T's FIL is doing!)

LittleMissFlustered · 04/01/2012 16:58

plu Epic post my friend:o

My mouth is marvellous. The delightful David at the emergency dentist hooked the tooth out for me the week before Christmas. Lovely:o

We're running out of space again. I'm off to kindle a new thread and perhaps a fire under the octopus >_

LittleMissFlustered · 04/01/2012 17:02

Here

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PludolphTheRedNosedReindeer · 04/01/2012 17:31

update continuing, but am being summoned again!

DarcieandSnowballsMum, it's horrible to hear the despairing note in your voice, about Sky's sugars. You really mustn't feel this guilt about "not protecting her" from this: hasn't this thread shown how little we control our bodies, and yet how we can gain comfort from disembodied companionship, and how sharing information (surely the essence of being human) can help, too.

Tinselperion, your FIL's name-precedence ideas are not so crazy (I think the Spanish practice is mother's surname first?) - but the fact that he assumed you thought the same IS crazy, and the fact that he raged instead of explaining is not just crazy; it's rude and wrong - and why would he want to wrong his own family? Isn't bloody family "important to him"? Hmm I know it's not nice to encourage ill feelings, but I think you're right to still be angry, until he gets that he has to communicate better, lest he lose you again and again.

Ohhh, jinglebum, am with you on the stroppy 3yo front! We have potty training regression, tantrums, night terrors, etc... all, mystifyingly, alongside a seemingly genuine love for his sister - no mental conflict for him at all! nOW, I am not applying our situqation to yours (you'll see why in a mo), but what seems to be hAPPEning here, is tha, Sadly, I suspect my and DH's tiredness - causing rattiness - may be quite responsible (sorry if this is the case for you, too - I see DH and my mother getting cross and hear myself inmy worst moments, and it has really shocked me). However, I also think that the presence of lots of adults has really disturbed him - he feels pulled every which way. On a more positive note, DS still seems to love us, and both makesamd respods to overtures like cuddles and "i love you"S

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