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December 2011: Scratching, squeezing, hatching and latching...

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LittleMissHumbuggery · 10/12/2011 22:43

...and those of us left are doing a fair bit of bitching:o

I wonder if we could get a [pompoms] going on? Do we have the energy for a campaign?Wink

Right, come on! We're a third of the way through the month and Nickelbabe needs new recruits for her advent thread. Get squeezing:o

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jinglebum · 03/01/2012 14:49

afternoon everyone - we are just about surviving our first day at home with just me and the 2 dcs, havent ventured out yet though - have that joy soon as dh has his pre school jabs - rubbish timing in retrospect. you will be ok kate - just keep expectations of what you will achieve very smalll. I have similiar feeding issues to you - when freya is awake all she wants to do is feed and today she is very unsettled and has hardly slept - I have been carrying her around all day really!

sleeping is also an issue here and she managed 3 hours in her moses basket last night but slept on me the rest of the time. she is so noisy though as she grunts due to indigestion and also for food. my milk supply at night seems much lower than in the day - does anyone have this? in the day I can see it coming out and round her mouth etc but not at night so she needs to feed more i think. we are still averaging feeding every 2 hours and of more.

kate think I mentioned before that I thought i had a prolapse. I possibly do still a little but i would second braving the drs as actually it was mostly swelling due to an infection and is much better after antibiotics.

aethelfleda · 03/01/2012 15:16

mopsy you are doing really well, and mixed feeding is in no way a reason for guilt on your part: try to flip the thought around, how's this for an alternative view? Baby hasn't quite got the hang of exclusove BF so you as a caring mummy are a) ensuring she gets enough baseline nutrition by feeding her a known amount of formula and then b) on top you are giving her extra snuggles and skin to skin mummy time with an added bonus of some breastmilk thrown in. It can be lovely giving two breastfeeds a day (morning and night, some mums do an after lunch feed that morphs into baby's afternoon nap as they get bigger) and if you are part formula feeding, you know baby is getting her nutrients: this may make you feel more confident and actually increase your supply for when she does breastfeed. There are many many positives in the way you are handling this and this reflects how much you love her.

Lastly remember in four-five years she will be at school: no-one, no matter how brainy, can point down the line of thirty little heads and tell you which ones were exclusively breastfed, and which weren't: that's cos they all turn out fine either way!

BeeMyBaby · 03/01/2012 15:18

during the 6 week doctor check, do you think its alright to ask about prolapses or is a separate appointment needed?

OiMissus · 03/01/2012 15:21

Hugs to mopsy, Kate and honey.
mopsy - you are doing your absolute best, you have tried and held out far more than most, you have shown courage and patience, you are taking advice and are giving your child the best start that you can. Well done you! Keep following the advice, and trust/have faith in your decisions.
Our house move was cancelled! Sad they sent the packers, but will move us tomorrow. DH can't get tomorrow off work. Mum is stepping in to help - I'm still not supposed to drive after the cs, so need someone to ferry me and Alistair around. I've told the removers that I'll be on my own, and recovering from the cs, so they'll have to do everything. They assure me that's ok. The packers seem to have done a good job, so we'll see!

mopsytop · 03/01/2012 15:21

Thanks everyone! Your support is really helping me through a tough time.

aethelfleda · 03/01/2012 15:24

Kate, it is a good idea to see your GP but some of the stuff that looks wrong may be in the process of healing itself: prior to birth a lot of tissue enlarges due to preg hormones, this is to let it stretch better. It then setles back down again afterwards but not instantly, bear in mind you've prob not seen that area for a few months anyway...so do get it checked but i hope things will do a certain amount of tightetning back up, in the meantime !

aethelfleda · 03/01/2012 15:27

bee it's totally fine to ask GP to take a look during the six week check: it shoiud be a double appointment time (one slot for babyband one for you) and they are meant to check a list of things including stitches and any tears/prolapse you may be concerned about. And contraception (don't laugh, some people get preg again by their 6 week check: scary!)

OiMissus · 03/01/2012 15:33

kate I also wanted to say that my LO hasn't got routine at all. Last night he had a feed before we went to bed at 00:00, he woke at 04:30 for a 10 minute feed, then again at 07:00 - our best night yet. But we've had nights when he's been unsettled for hours, or waking on the hour.
(Most evenings -for the past week at least - have been bfing every hour or so.)
So, I hope your hours will change too , to something more manageable.
I've now started to log the feeds. I'm going to do this for a week to see if there's a pattern, and if so I may start manipulating the timings to get into some kind of schedule. I'm not Gina Ford, but I think I'll work better and get more done if I have a rough schedule that I can plan around.
I think this should be ok now that he will be 4+ weeks old and a good weight. (anyone else packing up clothes that their LO's have outgrown already?!

hopeful1 · 03/01/2012 15:35

Hi mopsy,

I had same problem as you with dd1. She would feed for about 30 minutes then take a whole bottle of ebm. I ended up mainly expressing as like you say it gets so time consuming! This time round I won't be able to do it as well as look after a toddler! I think it's really important to do what feels comfortable for you and it sounds like you are doing a great job! They never tell you how hard bf is so when you start and it doesn't go right you end up feeling like a failure, which you are most certainly not!!

Still waiting for babes to put in an appearance! Off to hospital tomorrow for plan of action! Hope you are okay aethel and LMF!

OiMissus · 03/01/2012 15:37

And honey - my due-date-buddy - it's great to hear from you again! Sorry to hear that you are having bf problems, but hope the advice given by others will help. Good luck!

SoTiredoftheWheelsontheBus · 03/01/2012 15:45

For everyone having difficulties getting bf established, I can report from the lofty heights of having a 4 week old ds that it took until last week for me to feel vaguely confident about it. I think it was the fact that he lost 10% of his birthweight, and it then took two weeks for him to make it back up, that really didn't help. I was bf, then expressing and giving him maybe two or three cups of ebm each day (getting about 20 ml from each expression). All of which he wolfed down, then wanted to get back on the breast. Once he had made up the weight, I gave up with the ebm, so am now just feeding directly from the breast. He's now gained weight, and thankfully in the last one and a bit weeks has been putting on about an ounce a day, so it feels as if it has been worth it. This has involved advice and support from my midwife, health visitor, and a bf peer supporter. It still feels a lot as it he's feeding almost constantly, although we are getting longer periods between feeds occasionally. Once he had made up his lost weight, the HV suggested that at night time, rather than waking him every 3 hours for a feed, we let him sleep. One two occasions he has managed 4.5 hours sleep (bliss!), but we had one night where he went three hours, then two, then one, then 30 minutes (what on earth is his internal clock like?), and another where he fed constantly from 9 pm until 2.30. On a good night, I can get 5 hours sleep, on a bad one, only about 2.5 hours. I've fallen asleep a couple of time whilst feeding him in an arm chair (all wedged in with cushions), but it worries me because I think the FSID advice says you shouldn't fall asleep holding your baby. But seriously - what is the answer? I don't set out to fall asleep whilst I'm holding him, but when it's the early hours of the morning, and you've had less than 4 hours sleep in the previous 24 hours, how can you help it? I don't want to co-sleep, so I'll get out of bed each time he feeds, does anyone have any advice on staying awake? I don't want to down lots of coffee, as ds stays awake anyway without caffeine.

I think it was Reindeer a couple of days ago who posted about not waking up to her baby crying. I think I have the same thing. I think it takes me longer to wake up because I'm so tired (I've had this mn name for years, but it is SO appropriate right now), and I'll lay there for a bit, hearing the cries but it's as if I don't link the noise to my baby crying and they are disconnected. I don't know how long this goes on for, but it feels a while (probably just half-asleep seconds making everything feel longer), so Reindeer, you're not alone.

Was feeling a bit tearful the other day. DS1 (who is 4) has been great since ds2 has been born, but has been getting a bit clingier at bedtime, as he wants either dh or myself to sleep in his room. He made a comment to dh the other night that 'he just wants to be close to us, like mummy and ds2'. It made me want to cry that he feels as if he has been sidelined. We've tried to give him as much attention and reassurance at the moment as we can, but the reality is that sometimes ds2's needs have to come before his, especially once dh's paternity leave finished, and ds2 is physically clamped to my body for large periods of the day. I've tried talking to him about when he was a baby, and was looked after in the same way that ds2 is now, but it obviously isn't enough. My poor boy Sad.

festivefiggy · 03/01/2012 15:50

I am so glad it's not just me with the BF I just had a hysterical 12 day old refusing breast and screaming and screaming I gave him the lousy 3.5ml I managed to express after the last feed and then his formula bottle. Am going to pump and express now but not sure how much longer this can continue I sob everytime he refuses and like you Mopsy the feeds are taking forever though we are feeding every 4 hours now rather than 3 so have a little down time.

HoneyLovesChristmasCake · 03/01/2012 15:53

mopsy no guilt! you're doing wonderfully! I can't imagine mixed feeding on top of this...seriously, you're a star!

Oi sorry to hear about your move; I'm sure tomorrow will go smoothly though...meant to say ages ago; I hope Alistair is doing better now after his op.

kate I hope you've made an appt with your GP; one less thing to worry about.

Rocco has been very unsettled today too; there have been tears all afternoon. He's finally fallen asleep now though so I have to run & have a quick wash or DP will think I'm a terrible slob! Sure when he gets home he'll think he had the hard day. I wouldn't switch places despite the 2 hours he spent crying this afternoon he's so gorgeous when he's sleeping Grin

Xiaoxiong · 03/01/2012 16:23

Happy New Year all - a one-handed check in from me as DS is feeding feeding feeding. He grunts and snuffles and frowns and bares his teeth gums in an evil grimace just as he latches on which makes me laugh so hard it sometimes shakes him off just when he's trying to get my enormous nipple in his very tiny mouth Blush We've been calling him the piglet because of his hilarious noises. But as of the last MW visit he had put on nearly 450g in a week so at least BFing seems to be working well for us (for now...)

DS' sleep is still all over the place, but thanks to going to bed at 10pm and staying put at least until lunchtime we're managing to get enough sleep so far in chunks of about 3 hours at a time. He spends a fair amount of time asleep on our chests as well between feeds (and SoTired we usually fall asleep with him there - neither of us move nearly at all when we sleep though). He is only just getting used to the moses basket for short periods and he has to be deeply asleep before he goes in, otherwise he screams as soon as he hits the sheets. Thank god for the birthing ball - bouncing on it with him seems to be the only way to calm him down sometimes.

But in general...nothing much to report other than I can't believe DS will be a month old next Sunday. I am dreading DH going back to work on the 11th - I know we've been incredibly lucky to have him home for an entire month after the birth but what will I do when he's not here to calm DS down? Sometimes only Daddy will do when he is no longer hungry but he goes bonkers when I am holding or cuddling him (assume it's the smell of milk?)

aethel, LMF, hopeful and MissRee - thinking of you, pompoms and fingers crossed your LOs arrive soon! You guys are troopers to still be so cheerfully posting here - I see reading back over this thread that I was climbing the walls with misery when I was overdue (seems like a million years ago - so much has happened since then!) Smile

MissRee · 03/01/2012 16:36

Thanks Tyel - luckily I've had a very easy pregnancy and although baby is now engaged, I'm still able to get around fine and carry on as normal Grin just getting impatient to meet her now Wink

Mmmmcheese · 03/01/2012 16:54

Hi everyone, sorry for those with bfeeding problems. Bfeeding is actually going well for us, particularly now I got DD's tongue tie snipped and also resorted to infacol. She is still feeding loads though and put on 2lbs in a week! She's actually nearly grown out of her 0-3 month sleepsuits! Its weird to have a chubby baby after having a skinny little preemie (who is still skinny at 2yo!).

However, sleeping is not going well. We all have a cough/cold and DD now has it too and is very snuffly and uncomfortable and won't settle in her moses at night at all (but will about half the time during the day which is strang). I probably get 2-3 hrs sleep at night and that's only because she ends up on my chest. I sleep totally still so don't worry too much about the safety of it but I do worry about SIDS. The alternative is literally not getting any sleep so can't see any other option. Hope that when her cold is gone she will settle better in her moses.

I'm also worrying about DH going back to work and how I will cope. At the moment I am catching up on sleep in the morning but won't be able to do that soon.

mopsy can you take anything to increase your supply eg fenugreek or the drug domperidone?

Am sure there was somethng else I was goingf tro say but have forgotten.

Not heard from seven, plu or kristy for a while, hope all ok.

msbuggywinkle · 03/01/2012 17:03

Well, my first day without DP was going really well until the HV came round. I'm sure there are some lovely ones around, but my experience has only been of ones that give outdated advice and knock confidence.

This HV is of the knocking confidence variety. I cried for an hour after she left!

jinglebum · 03/01/2012 17:09

msb - my experience of hvs is that they seem to know very little and you sound like an experienced and excellent mum so please dont let them knock your confidence. you have been so great at giving others advice on this thread that I cannot believe you are not doing an excellent job.

I saw my hv today too - complete waste of half an hour of my life. Freya had finally gone to sleep after being grounchy and awake all morning so I would not let her wake her up to be weighed and she did not really have any advice on anything I asked. I think if you are a well informed mum you know as much as most hvs anyway! (if not more on some things)

Ds was a real star with his jabs - so brave, just hope he does not react badly to them now as he usually does.

PludolphTheRedNosedReindeer · 03/01/2012 17:34

Hi, all.
So sorry I dropped out. Baby creature had lost nearly 10% of her birth weight, so we thought we might have to go into hospital for Christmas; we got away with that, but the feeding regime since them has been quite intense! Thankfully, she went off on a feeding frenzy of her own accord (and is now gaining again, and the midwife who saw her yesterday wondered aloud whether she was actually 3.8kg at birth, given she's 3.5-something now!), as the regime of feeding and topping her up every 2/3 hours was murder - the poor thing was too tired to feed and definitely too tired to take any formula from a syringe; the latter took longer and longer, until there was about one clear hour between the end of one feed and the beginning of the next, so of course she wasn;t hungry, and was too tired! B---ks to topping up, then - hurrah!

I will try to read up on all your news soon; I'm just being summoned by a cross baby! Smile

Best wishes to all! It;s still Christmas, y'know! Xmas Smile

LittleMissFlustered · 03/01/2012 17:39

Regarding health visitors: you don't have to have them come to you. If you feel you don't want or need them just ring the surgery and tell them you'd prefer to just use the clinic when you need to. They can harrumph, but they can't tell you no:)

LittleMissFlustered · 03/01/2012 17:41

Good to see you plu:) Enjoy being summonedWink

msbuggywinkle · 03/01/2012 18:14

I know lmf but over the summer we had an 'incident' involving a bullying Children missing education officer who wouldn't believe that we Home Ed and I don't want to risk any more 'red flags'.

Xiaoxiong · 03/01/2012 18:59

Oh! I remembered a question I had. Has anyone ever used a lambskin to settle their DC? I've read about using them if you know you're going to be travelling. We've got a sheepskin we bought when we went to Chatsworth once - it's got long silky brown wool though and doesn't look like the "baby lambskins" I've seen (like these ones). Is the only difference the colour? Would it be safe to use the one we've got to put DS to sleep on??

KateM77 · 03/01/2012 19:32

Thanks for all your support ladies. My only aims for tomorrow are to make a GP appointment and to get me and the DC's washed and dressed. A shower for me will be a bonus, as will keeping hold of my marbles!

I've started DS on infacol as he seems very twisty at night. Will see if that helps at all. A lot of the time I'm pretty sure we just end up with comfort sucking though. DH was wondering in the wee small hours last night at what age we could start trying DS with a dummy!

LittleMissFlustered · 03/01/2012 20:34

I've had a run in with an EWO msB they're utter jobsworths aren't they?! After visit one there's no real need for them any more is there? Or is your PCT still running on ridiculous numbers of visits and weigh ins? To be fair if they try to make another appointment I'd just ask if it can be in the clinic, so not actually refusing. If they ask why just say that you're very busy and would like to multi-task and get other stuff done too.

Luckily it seems as though my trust has no money for anything, as I already have the red book will not be bothering with any health visitors unless i go see them. If they ask why I'll be straight and tell them that my last one contributed more toward my depression than alleviated it and I refuse to put myself under that degree of duress again!

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