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Eris' thread for bereaved mummies

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feedmenow · 16/04/2008 16:28

OK, so the thread begins! I tried to think og something better to call it, but all I have in my head (still) is Shabsters comment about how it would have been better if we'd all met on a thread called 'how to cope with excessive wind'!

Anyway, we have somewhere to come now. Somewhere 'proper' where we can chat and remember our precious lost children, whether they were stillborn like my angel, or whether they were with us for 2 hours, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years or 20 years. No matter how long they were here it is still so very wrong to lose a child.

I just wanted to tell you all about yesterday. It was such a very strange day. Dp and I were collected by the FD in the limo that Eris was in and we drove slowly down our road behind one of the FD men. I felt like a fraudster, like I was going to be caught out and asked what the hell we were doing 'playing' around.

Anyway, it turns out that the crem we went to is absolutely beautiful, really gogeous gardens. The service was lovely. The songs and music we chose were perfect, and both my mum and mil got up and said some really touching, beautiful words. The minister read a story I had chosen and also an extract from Winnie the Pooh that he suggested. I sat with my dd1 on one side and my ds the other, then dp next to him. We all had our arms around each other and I cried silently throughout. Then at the end the minister asked everyone else to leave so the 4 of us could say our final goodbyes, at which point I started weeping with a vengeance. It wasn't til we went outside to join everyone else that I saw all the people who had come to be with us.

We went back to my parents house for brunch, which went really well. I come from a family who crack open the wine and beer at the earliest opportunity, so the wine flowed along with the tea and coffee for the drivers. It was a beautiful day, the sun shining, so we went into the garden. The children and the men played football, the ladies chatted and did a bit of skipping (who would have ever known that I could still 'jump in'???. I had got some helium balloons printed with the words "Too beautiful for earth..." so everyone released one and 'raised a toast' to Eris. People gradually drifted off home, but a group of people stayed with us all afternoon and into the evening. We had takeaway and eventually got home about 10pm. It was a very special day. I talked about Eris lots and, very importantly, people had fun. A very important thing to do, IMO, when celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. As people left I asked them all to be sure to remember my little baby girl, to think of her often and not let her be forgotten.

Dp and I set up a fundraising page to raise money for SaNDS for people to make donations instead of brining flowers. When I checked earlier today, we have had donations of £1360! It makes me sad that we're in the position to have received those donations, but we smile when we realise how much people care.

Anyway, dp went to the FD this afternoon and picked up Eris' ashes, so we at least have now brought our daughter home. It raised a few laughs yesterday when we were asked what we planned to do with the ashes and I said we would bring her home and put her in the wardrobe with nanny (whose ashes have been in my wardrobe for 2 years now!). Some might find this odd, but others thought it touching and comforting that they would be in the wardrobe together.

Anyway, I have wittered on more than I intended. I am pleased to say that I do actually feel a sense of peace now that the funeral is over. Both dp and I had been scared of yesterday as we were both aware that a funeral brings about a finality and reality to what has happened. And somehow, facing that finality has helped me achieve a degree of acceptance.

So, in memory of my precious baby daughter, Eris, I would like to pronounce this thread for bereaved mummies "OPEN"!!

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Doobydoo · 24/05/2008 11:39

FMN.So sad for you. and Happy for you too having Eveny's birthday.It is such a rollercoaster.What lovely names your 3 children have
Hope you enjoy Joseph.I am crying for you.So must go and wash my face as am taking ds2 for a walk in the wind and the sun.

lottiejenkins · 24/05/2008 11:50

Wilf will be 12 in July. Hes been quite reserved at the jumble sale. Four videos enumerable fridge magnets and books. He tried to persuade me to buy a pair of roller blades but i said it would be a cold night in hell before they came over my threshold! He has enough trouble with his balance without adding them to the equation! I can visibly imagine casualty figures rocketing!!

lottiejenkins · 24/05/2008 11:53

Forgot to say i didnt get a very good wake up call this morning, some stranger parked her car outside my front gate... the third time the alarm was going off(at 7.45am) i was at my gate roaring "whos bloody car is this?" the woman came shooting across the road saying "did i wake you up sorry" I just managed to say "hmm" and walked off!! I wouldnt mind but we have just about the lowest crime rate in our village for the whole UK!!!

shabster · 24/05/2008 13:45

FMN What great names your children have - I love all three of them.

The charm bracelet is a great idea. How special.

Sending a massive hug (and snogs for DH) from sunny Bolton for all of you.

Right girls. Had a bath, trying to straighten very unruly hair, my friend is picking me up at 4.15!!We have a 10 mile drive into Manchester and then we know it will be packed....shoppers, osmond fans and Ricky Hatton is boxing at Man Citys stadium as well.

Have a great day all of you - will report back about the Osmonds asap

hazygirl · 24/05/2008 19:42

shabster have a great time,when my dd was pregnant with jayden my son bought me 2 tickets to see robbie williams at roundhay,my dream come true,i went of course but so relieved that jayden wasnt born that night,its funny i always think of jayden our little angel when i play robbiexx i hope everyone else ok , big hugs to you all.fmn im still emptying house a relative turned up expecting to get house and everything its left to charity, solictor said i could have new lcd tv which relative also wanted i had great pleasure asking for it to be donated to the hospital then we can all remember this great guy. xx

Doobydoo · 24/05/2008 20:37

Fantastic HazyYou are lovely.Still for you.
Hope all have a lovely evening.

feedmenow · 24/05/2008 22:06

Hey all!

Shabs, hope unruly hair behaves itself and that the Osmonds are fab!

Lottie, for some reason I never thought of Wilf as being that old! Will have to change my mental picture immediately!

I have had a few glasses bottles of plonk and am feeling quite sorry for myself I've had a few weeks of feeling OK ish and now feel shite. My children are so fantastic and I just don't get why I should be missing one. She's meant to be here with me yet she isn't. My "replacement issues" have changed so much. I think my thoughts before about having another baby somehow WERE that another would be making up for Eris but recently I've realised that that is impossible. Another baby won't make up for what we have lost. I want to bring her back but I can't. Can someone please explain to me why we have to be doing this? My beautiful princess is in the air, the sun, the sky...but not in my arms. I can't hold her and kiss her. The cuddly teddy in her room is enough for a moment to fool me into feeling my baby in my arms but it is not the real thing and never will be. I so much want her here.

Who saw the programme the other night about the families with 11+ children? I'm not saying they don't deserve their cherubs, but why do they get so many when we have ours taken from us? What or who decides that they get all of theirs and ours are not for this earth? Why are they blessed with theirs from start to finish yet ours get part way and then go?

I try so hard to be sensible, realistic and reasonable but the truth is that I don't get it. I want her here with me, in my arms. I don't care if she would have been placid or tetchy. I don't care if she would have been a good or bad sleeper, fussy or easy going. I just don't care about that. What I care about is that she was so close to being here, so close to being in my arms, so close to life and living and loving. But she just isn;t here and I miss her so bad.

Please, my cyberspace friends, please tell me something good from this. Why did I conceive her, grow her, nourish her and love her for no fecking reason at all? Why should I be the one to do this shitty thing? Why me and not somebody else? Why should I be teased with such hopes and dreams? Did I do something bad? Did I tell you all before that I had a termination 6 years ago? Jay was 6 months old, dp and I had a horrible relationshop at the time and I just couldn't do it. After the miscarriage last year I thought it was pay back, bad karma, just deserts. I thought I'd paid the price. But now I just think that I must be a really, really bad perosn to have a mc and my stillborn princess thrown at me.

I could go on with my ramblings for hours here but I would just be repeating myself. I'm sorry myfriends for spewing out this crap. Obviously just a down day. It's not over for me yet...I'm off for a cry, another glass and a fag. I just don;t know how we live the rest of our lives with this burden and grief

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hazygirl · 25/05/2008 05:40

fmn im so sorry you are feeling like this at the moment,everyday i look at my three little granddaughters and wonder why the hell or little man was tajen from us,my dd got pregnant straight after jayden died,i found it so hard and ended up heading for a breakdown,taking tablets and seeing a pysciatrist,i dreaded holding her,her been born,i remember crying to my dh one night that i wished he had never been born,then i wouldnt have loved him andended up with this hurt that just wont go away,my dh was disgusted that i could think like that when we were so lucky to have so many precious moments. fmn i wish i could take the hurt away for you,you are not a bad person ,you are a wonderful person and great mum and wife,my dd goes on or foreverbabies and has found that a be so helpful,i dont know if you do,they had a meet up and she found it realy helped her to know she was not alone.

shabster · 25/05/2008 06:26

FMN - I was waiting for you to feel like this. Its a horrible stage of grief. Please believe me when I say YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. I really believe that our lives are planned out for us (however short or long) before we even get here.

After Matt was killed people would say 'if only he had been playing at my house that day' I gradually started to think like my Gran! She used to always say 'when it is your time, there is nothing that can be done to change the outcome.'

Sadly and unexplicably Eris is not here physically. I wish I could change that for you - but I cant. I wish I could say the right words that maybe would soothe your feelings - but I cant. I dont know why we have all lost of our babies.

Gradually you will go through all different emotions - wait till you get to the pure anger and rage one!! The one where your feelings build up and up and it only takes one person to say the wrong thing and off you go like the most expensive rocket on Bonfire night.

Keep venting your emotions - after all its thanks to Eris that we have a meeting place, thanks to Eris that we have new friends. Wish we didnt have to meet in these circumstances but glad that we have each other.

lottiejenkins · 25/05/2008 11:34

Well we got driven to church by my Mum because of the weather, Wilf was a complete star, the guy doing prayers with him gave him £1!!! He was well pleased!

feedmenow · 25/05/2008 13:42

Thanks Hazy and Shabs. It has really knocked me for six suddenly feeling so upset again. I did the shopping today and driving home suddenly remembered that she isn't here and started crying my eyes out. Got home and poor dp obviously was worried and wanted to know what had happened. I just feel like I want to go and curl up in bed again and not come out.

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hazygirl · 25/05/2008 16:11

fmn ive had several days when ive been back to bed,ignore the whole world,then just slapped my make up and gone to work. big hugs to youxxx

frasersmummy · 25/05/2008 21:09

Oh Fmn I wish I had answers to some of your questions.

Grief is a very strange thing .. just when you think you are getting better it comes crashing down on top of you again

I am sorry to say that these days will come and go for years to come. Take time to aknolwedge your grief and do what feels right each day

please believe me when I say you didnt do anything to deserve this kind of pain.

I read shabsters post re our life being planned out ahead of time. For about a year after I lost Fraser I wanted to hit anyone who said this. I remember saying this wasnt god's plan it couldnt have been. I yelled at several people for suggesting it (sorry shabster)

But now years down the line I actually find myself in agreement with this sentiment, so you see you never leave your grief behind you jsut find ways of dealing with it

hopefully today will be a little bit brighter than yesterday

lottiejenkins · 25/05/2008 21:47

FMN. Hugs for you xxxxxxxxxx

Doobydoo · 25/05/2008 22:02

FMN..I echo Shabster and Frasersmummys...post when they said...You have done nothing wrong!
You are not being punished,or singled out.You have done nothing wrong.
People across the world and people we know have also done nothing wrong!
This is a horrible part of the grieving process I remember it well.And would walk round mentally hunched waiting for the next awful thing to happen.
There are days when if you can there is nothing wrong with pulling the duvet over your head...I did it.I think we all have.
I am so sad for you I really am.Grief hits us at the most unexpected times and in the most unexpected places
Please know you are not a horrible person and have done nothing wrong.

shabster · 26/05/2008 07:30

Morning ladies.

Just re-read the last few posts....

OMG I remembered the feeling of very early grief. Oh shite poo it hurts so much - mentally and physically.

The sheer effort of keeping 'stood up' wanting to crumple onto the floor and just scream the place down......

Think later on in the day we should have a massive group hug - Teletubbies style - I bagsy being the little red one!!

hazygirl · 26/05/2008 07:35

morning shabsterdid u enjoy the osmonds.not long till lewis due day ,xx big hugs

shabster · 26/05/2008 07:58

Morning Hazy - Oh the Osmonds They were just wonderful. Made me cry when they all sang 'love me for a reason.' They all, except Donny, looked so old. If you closed your eyes though they sounded just like they used to. They have all had their own personal battles and heartache and it has made them more 'human.' I confess to screaming at one point (well more than one) dancing like a loon and singing till I almost lost my voice.

Emma is 38 weeks tomorrow. Didn't hear from them at all yesterday and started to imagine her in labour!! I have a great imagination

shabster · 26/05/2008 09:23

Emma just texted me - no labour yesterday!! Im obviously loosing my grip on reality. The poor love is fed up now - she has been up since 6 cause she cant get comfy - whilst my DS1 is snoring away

She said she still feels very sore in her rude bits - told her I will boil water and get some clean towels as soon as the pains start.

Bet she thinks I am a real loon

I really love the fact that me and her use everyword for her bits other than proper words!!! She's a joy

lottiejenkins · 26/05/2008 09:55

Shabs we are waiting for a baby here too!! The Lady who looks after wilfred's daughter in law is due too! Lets see who pops first Emma or Jo.....Jo is expecting a girl Ruby! Her third!!

lottiejenkins · 26/05/2008 09:56

Have just re read that Wilfred doesnt have a daughter in law! LOL!!! Its the ladies daughter in law!!

shabster · 26/05/2008 09:58

Awwww! Lottie the worrying thing is that I read your post and understood exactly what you meant - even without the explanation!!

Doobydoo · 26/05/2008 10:47

Morning AllGreat you enjoyed the Osmonds Shabster... to you screaming.
How exciting..38 weeks.Anyday now!Are you going to be Gran,Granny,Nana or something else?
How is Tom doing?
to your posts Lottie.
Have a good day all

lottiejenkins · 26/05/2008 10:57

Have just spoken to Sandra.... Jo's not due till the 28th but the midwives have told her she will be early.. apparently she turned over in bed last night and the babe kicked Ross(daddy) in the back! Ive suggested Raspberry leaf tea and Ross has heard that pineapple helps! Im very lucky with Sandra... shes looked after Wilf since he was three and he calls her Mummy2. Her husband sadly passed away last year, W calls her children, special brother and special sister which is nice so in a roundabout way this will be his niece when she eventually arrives!!

dippymother · 26/05/2008 11:18

FMW - so sorry you've been feeling down lately. This is entirely normal, we have all been there so if you need to rant and rave, feel free. I think of the guilt thing as two steps forward, one step back. There will always be things to regret, what ifs, payback time etc and it does seem sometimes as though some people have a lot on their plate to cope with, while others get off lightly. Life isn't fair and no-one knows why we give birth to our children only to lose them so soon, but Eris' thread has brought us all together for mutual support in our grief as well as a few laughs along the way.

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