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Eris' thread for bereaved mummies

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feedmenow · 16/04/2008 16:28

OK, so the thread begins! I tried to think og something better to call it, but all I have in my head (still) is Shabsters comment about how it would have been better if we'd all met on a thread called 'how to cope with excessive wind'!

Anyway, we have somewhere to come now. Somewhere 'proper' where we can chat and remember our precious lost children, whether they were stillborn like my angel, or whether they were with us for 2 hours, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years or 20 years. No matter how long they were here it is still so very wrong to lose a child.

I just wanted to tell you all about yesterday. It was such a very strange day. Dp and I were collected by the FD in the limo that Eris was in and we drove slowly down our road behind one of the FD men. I felt like a fraudster, like I was going to be caught out and asked what the hell we were doing 'playing' around.

Anyway, it turns out that the crem we went to is absolutely beautiful, really gogeous gardens. The service was lovely. The songs and music we chose were perfect, and both my mum and mil got up and said some really touching, beautiful words. The minister read a story I had chosen and also an extract from Winnie the Pooh that he suggested. I sat with my dd1 on one side and my ds the other, then dp next to him. We all had our arms around each other and I cried silently throughout. Then at the end the minister asked everyone else to leave so the 4 of us could say our final goodbyes, at which point I started weeping with a vengeance. It wasn't til we went outside to join everyone else that I saw all the people who had come to be with us.

We went back to my parents house for brunch, which went really well. I come from a family who crack open the wine and beer at the earliest opportunity, so the wine flowed along with the tea and coffee for the drivers. It was a beautiful day, the sun shining, so we went into the garden. The children and the men played football, the ladies chatted and did a bit of skipping (who would have ever known that I could still 'jump in'???. I had got some helium balloons printed with the words "Too beautiful for earth..." so everyone released one and 'raised a toast' to Eris. People gradually drifted off home, but a group of people stayed with us all afternoon and into the evening. We had takeaway and eventually got home about 10pm. It was a very special day. I talked about Eris lots and, very importantly, people had fun. A very important thing to do, IMO, when celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. As people left I asked them all to be sure to remember my little baby girl, to think of her often and not let her be forgotten.

Dp and I set up a fundraising page to raise money for SaNDS for people to make donations instead of brining flowers. When I checked earlier today, we have had donations of £1360! It makes me sad that we're in the position to have received those donations, but we smile when we realise how much people care.

Anyway, dp went to the FD this afternoon and picked up Eris' ashes, so we at least have now brought our daughter home. It raised a few laughs yesterday when we were asked what we planned to do with the ashes and I said we would bring her home and put her in the wardrobe with nanny (whose ashes have been in my wardrobe for 2 years now!). Some might find this odd, but others thought it touching and comforting that they would be in the wardrobe together.

Anyway, I have wittered on more than I intended. I am pleased to say that I do actually feel a sense of peace now that the funeral is over. Both dp and I had been scared of yesterday as we were both aware that a funeral brings about a finality and reality to what has happened. And somehow, facing that finality has helped me achieve a degree of acceptance.

So, in memory of my precious baby daughter, Eris, I would like to pronounce this thread for bereaved mummies "OPEN"!!

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shabster · 11/05/2008 22:22

For our babies

...also for my friend Triplets - always think of her when I hear it

triplets · 11/05/2008 22:32

Aww thanks Shabs........our song!

shabster · 11/05/2008 23:29

Would just like to share this poem with all of you. For anyone who has sadly miscarried or experienced a stillbirth I still think this poem applies. In my opinion a baby is a little human being from the day of conception.

The Dash

Our dear babies and children only had a little dash but they have touched our lives and hearts.

feedmenow · 12/05/2008 09:24

Quick post from me! My pc is playing silly buggers so I'm sneaking on to MN from my mums!!

SO sorry I missed James birthday, but glad the day went well. Happy birthday boxing day James. xx

Glimmer, I remember you. Thank you for your message and thoughts.

Shabs, don't know if dp will be in the mood for snogs after I got really pissed on Saturday night and embarassed him infront of all his mates

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lottiejenkins · 12/05/2008 21:43

Evening all............ hope everyone is ok today.

shabster · 12/05/2008 22:42

Hiya lottie - all fine up here in Bolton!!

My DS1 had his own moment with Matt on Saturday! He went out into the back yard as it was going dark and he said he was having a bit of a cry about his little brother. He sat on the back step and thought about Matt. He said it had just gone dark and TWO butterflies appeared and just sat on the patio in front of him. They stayed there for about 10 mins and he didnt want to stand up and disturb them!! Matthew and Gareth are all around us

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 13/05/2008 11:30

Hi ladies, I hope you are all well.

I have just been reading OJ's thread about her husband. It has really brought back some horrible memories and flashbacks for me, and of course I feel just terrible for her and what she has to face in the next few days, weeks and months

God, but life can be shit sometimes.

I don't know what else to say really .....

shabster · 13/05/2008 12:14

Hi Move it - I cant get involved on OJ's thread. I haven't had the same experience but I cant do it.....that sounds so selfish and uncaring.

I felt the same when I heard the story about Eris...I wanted to run and run and not listen to anyones sadness. I lurked around the thread for a while and then thought....I cant ignore anymore. It is much easier now but it does bring back scary, sad memories at times.

Im so sorry for your loss.

feedmenow · 13/05/2008 13:58

Hi all.

Lottie, just how hot ARE Mr Carpenters measurements?????

SHabs, I envy you the signs you get from your boys I had a white feather a few weeks back, but nothing, I don't even dream about her I just hope that I don't get signs cos it is early days, and that as time passes I'll feel her around me more.

I had counselling at the hospital yesterday. Not really sure what I think TBH, I have so many people around me who will losten to me when I need to talk, so a counsellor probably can't offer me anything extra. But I'm seeing teh consultant tomorrow so I made another appt with the counsellor so that I can see her again after the consultant appt incase it stirs everything up for me.

Talking of which, I am really nervous about seeing the consultant tomorrow...

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lottiejenkins · 13/05/2008 14:44

FMN, hugs to you, i will be thinking of you tomorrow... re Mr Carpenter he is just rather sweet!!

shabster · 13/05/2008 16:03

FMN - I never, ever dream about my boys and haven't for many years.

I think my entire families emotions are on top note at the moment because of the new addition to our family due in just four weeks. I do include Matt and Gareths emotions cause they would be amazing uncles. Maybe we are picking up on these little 'appearances' more for the same reason??

shabster · 13/05/2008 16:04

...also will be thinking about you tomorrow. I hope you get answers to your questions. Will be sending you and your DH lots of snogs (any excuse eh FMN?)

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 13/05/2008 17:09

FMN - good luck (sorry I can't think of an adequate word) for tomorrow. It will be a hard day for you all, but it will be another hurdled that you have jumped over.

Shabs - I know what you mean about wanting to stay away from certain threads. When I post on OJ's thread everything I say seems so inadequate, yet I think I should be able to post something positive and insightful. There are many times on bereavement threads (including this one) where I am just stuck for words - something that doesn't often happen in RL

feedmenow · 13/05/2008 19:11

Lottie, the mental picture I have of a six-packed hunk working in the garden with his tools, bare chested....thats just a fantasy then is it?????

Shabs, only 4 weeks to go? Wow! Exciting times ahead! Is your DIL planning to have him in hospital or at home?
Will be sure to pass on the snogs Dp has never been so lucky with the ladies before!!

A few of you have mentioned oj's thread, but I haven't seen it. Is it in Bereavement cos I couldn't see anything?

Thank you for the thoughts for tomorrow. I know that this time tomorrow it will be over with but I just know I'll feel like crap all morning

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LouiseAnn · 13/05/2008 19:56

Feedmenow - I hope it goes as well as it can tomorrow.
The counselling issue is tricky. Despite my very supportive friends and family, my Cruse counsellor has been invaluable. I have to say goodbye to her in a few weeks. It's like she is my Mum and I was a baby, and she has helped me to grow and I am ready to leave home now and fly the nest. She has been great.
However, I know not everyone gets on with counselling or with their counsellor.
About dreams, I didn't dream about James for a couple of months and it has only been a few times now. It is probably easier for me to dream about James as I had him with me for 11 years. All the dreams have been positive, but short.

I have to say, everyone is so sweet on here. It's heartwarming.

lottiejenkins · 13/05/2008 20:21

FMN no not quite like that... but he is nice! My ideal guy would be Sean Bean, Dermot Mulroney or Gerard Butler....I keep thinking about you going tomorrow... we went to see the consultant after Jack died and he was lovely to us. I had him when i was pregnant with Wilf. We got on so well. After W i had a small problem and i had to go to see him again. He was so sweet, he would come out and say "Mrs Smith, Mrs Jones " and then come out and say "Charlotte where are you?" My poor mum was so embarrased that she covered her face with a magazine. I hope you get to know all the answers that you are looking for.

shabster · 14/05/2008 08:34

Thinking of you today FMN - good luck sweetheart I hope you find the answers that you are searching for.

Morning girls - 3rd day of the Year 6 SATS for my little lad - and he says they are great he is actually enjoying them!!

LouiseAnn · 14/05/2008 14:32

hello ladies,
We had our 21 week scan today. Our new little boy looks perfect. We took our 8yo Alex. He is delighted to be getting a little brother. He was the little brother for seven years. I was hoping for a girl , but my dh is too manly to produce girly sperm! I am quite happy with a boy though, I know what to do with them!

Thinking of FMN...

lottiejenkins · 14/05/2008 14:35

Hi LouiseAnn am so pleased your scan went well!!! hugs to you xx

feedmenow · 14/05/2008 19:36

LouiseAnn, glad to hear the scan went well.

I am now. The post mortem results showed a clot in the placenta. Either that or the cord round her neck means she was starved of oxygen. If she'd been born a few days earlier she would probably have been fine. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if I hadn't insisted on a vaginal birth. Having had 2 sections they would have preferred me to have had another. If I'd agreed with them, would she have been born by then? Would she be alive and well and in my arms? I think I'd find it easier to live with if she'd had something wrong with her. Something that would have actually caused her death regardless. Not something that was just an accident, or bad luck. My ds was born by elective section 12 days early. If I'd done the same with Eris.......

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shabster · 14/05/2008 20:28

Oh sweetheart. I dont think that anything you did or said made any difference - I honestly, truly dont. I think our fate is decided long before we get here. Just imagine if you had a c section and then something would have gone wrong. Again you would be thinking 'if only' and 'what have I done wrong' I would be relieved to know they found two problems. Im not sure if I put that right. A woman I know had a stillborn son and they couldn't find any medical reason...so, she also blames herself.

You nurtured Eris while you were carrying her, you loved her, you nourished her, you (I have no doubt) talked to her, sang to her, planned all kinds of 'things for the future.'

Sadly and cruely she was taken from you. You are not to blame in any way....none of us are to blame for the loss of our children.

Although I have gone on, and on, and on I cant find the right words. xxxxx

Doobydoo · 14/05/2008 20:33

FMN.Now I am going to say something..it probably won't be helpful at the moment,and I don't want to make you anymore upset.There are always going to be 'ifs'.If this wasn't the scenario for you,you would still be thinking what if this and what if that.This is NORMAL.It is horrible to go through but is part of the grieving process.For at least a year I would wake up everyday thinking'what if'...each time it was something different.It is painful.It is awful but it is NORMAL...You will get through this.
What else did your consultant say?
Did you ask your what if question there and then?
If not you may need to go back and ask.
I went back and asked about a few of my 'what ifs'.
I did not take up the offer of counselling I felt it too raw.Approx 3 years after I felt I could do with talking to people,but not a counsellor,I wanted to talk to people who had been through the loss of a child.I didn't go to the group,though I nearly did.

Doobydoo · 14/05/2008 20:35

Congrats on your scan LouiseAnn

frasersmummy · 14/05/2008 20:45

oh fmn your heart will be breaking tonight

It wasnt your fault that Eris died too soon

I know its easy to say but dont blame yourself. You made what you believed to be the right decision at the time. Hindsight is 20/20. Every decision sets off a chain reaction, having a section might not have had a different outcome

I do remember feeling guilty for a long time after we got our pm results.. just try not to let it consume you . You did everything you could for Eris and she knows thats

I have just read this back and it sounds really glib and uncaring .. I dont mean it to be I just cant find the right words to make you feel just a little better (are there any right words)

sending you hugs tonight

lottiejenkins · 14/05/2008 21:53

FMN, hugs from me too and much much love xxxxxxxxxxxx

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