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What would you think if you saw a ....

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opinionsplease · 18/07/2005 19:56

harrassed mum pull down her dd's knickers and smack her bum in the street?

I've changed my name in case I get recognised.

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nannyjo · 18/07/2005 21:17

smacking is one issue but the main thing i'd worry about is pulling down her knickers and exposing her to pure humiliation is so unnecessary.

I had it done to me and i would scream back 'what the hell will that do???'

But the humiliation of it will last with me for ever.

expatinscotland · 18/07/2005 21:18

How can we expect our children to respect us as people when we don't show them the same?

fqueenzebra · 18/07/2005 21:18

I would be shocked, agree with what Aimsmum said. but I don't know how badly the girl was behaving, either....

MamaMaiasaura · 18/07/2005 21:18

ffs!!! Because it would SMART more. Sorry absolutely no sympathy and would report it. The woamn needs help and obviously cannot see that her attitude is skewed

Carla · 18/07/2005 21:27

Awen, I want to pre-empt what I'm about to write by saying that I do not smack/hit/whatever my children. But I am surprised, given how much you see it going on at grotty service stations, that it's a reportable offence.

morningpaper · 18/07/2005 21:35

REPORT IT? Who to? It's perfectly legal to smack your children in this country I'm afraid.

MamaMaiasaura · 18/07/2005 21:36

Carla didnt think you did.

Just apopalled that people do this. Am pretty sure it is illegal to smack child on bare bottom (personally i dont think a child should be smacked anywhere because i think its is parents losing control)

MamaMaiasaura · 18/07/2005 21:37

moriningpaper - it isnt on a bare bum, I am sure that is classed as sexual abuse too.

morningpaper · 18/07/2005 21:39

So you're suggesting that the original poster report her friend for SEXUAL ABUSE because she lost it with her daughter?

I think I'd better just gather up my children and leave them at the police station ...

lockets · 18/07/2005 21:40

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MamaMaiasaura · 18/07/2005 21:40

found thins link \link{http://www.endcorporalpunishment.org/pages/research/views-uk.html#1\here

morningpaper · 18/07/2005 21:41

(By the way it is only a possible offence if you hit a child and cause "visible bruising, grazes, scratches, swellings or cuts.")

MamaMaiasaura · 18/07/2005 21:41

A bare naked bum? is that ok then? in a street as an adult if someone stripped your pants down.. wouldnt that be sexual assualt?

morningpaper · 18/07/2005 21:42

On that basis we'd never be allowed to change a child's nappy in public...

MrsGordonRamsay · 18/07/2005 21:42

I really do not like the way this thread is going..........

MamaMaiasaura · 18/07/2005 21:42

sorry here - interesting to check out were the children say they get smakced (mainly at home so people dont see)

MamaMaiasaura · 18/07/2005 21:44

sorry. I will stop discussing if you prefer. Am not wishing to get into slanging amtch but feel strongly about corporal punsihment esp adminstered in this way. No offense intended to anyone personally on this site just have my own feeling on the subject.

TwinSetAndPearls · 18/07/2005 21:44

I don't smack.

Well have once when I completely lost my rag with dd who had been playing me up all day, I had just found out my ex had drained my bank account, I had nowhere for my dd and I to sleep that night and it was cold and raining and I had spent our last £1 buying dd something to eat which she threw back at me. I smacked her as she was shouting and throwing stuff from her pram, i think I smacked her three times, the memory of it haunts me as does the memory of two women coming up to me just afterwards.

The first shouted at me and said what an awful mother I was and that I should be reported to social services and hand my daughter over to people who could care for her properly. I was absolutley distraught and felt like doing exactly as this woman had said, especially as I had just left the social services department after spending an hour begging for a crisis loan and a bed for the night for dd and myself. The woman walked off leaving me a sobing wreck with dd still screaming.

The second woman came over and asked if I was ok, and if there was anything she could do to help. She asked if I wanted to go for a coffee to which I said I had no money but it was very kind of her to ask. She took us to a cafe, fed and watered us and took us to a local Bed and Breakfast that her friend owned and talked them into letting us stay for a night or two on credit! she talked to me about her own children and how they had pushed her to the limits, that I was obviously a good mum who was struggling to cope.

I am not trying to excuse my behaviour, I was wrong and the following day I went to see my health visitor and asked for help. But it was the support from the second woman that enabled me to do this not the harsh criticism from the former.

If it is unlike your friend to smack or act in such a way, I would suggest that like me she needs help and support.

I though about changing my name for this post as I am sure that I will get lots of flack for losing it with my dd, although noone can say anything that I haven't said to myself or make me feel worse than i do about hurting my dd. I think there is a tendency on this site to present ourselves as perfect non telly watching, home baking, eternally patient creative mothers (I do it myself!) when it would really help if we admitted under our own name the mistakes we have made. I actually got upset typing this message as I remember the feelings of helplessness, fatigue and frustration that lead me to such awful actions.

MamaMaiasaura · 18/07/2005 21:44

morningpaper - that is not what i meant. When changing your babies nappy hopefully you arent smacking it.

lockets · 18/07/2005 21:46

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morningpaper · 18/07/2005 21:46

Awen I know what you mean - but I think there is a world of a difference between a mother at the end of her tether who does loses it to a parent who systematically and consciously abuses a child, sexually or physically. We're all in danger of falling into the first category - but hopefully when we do we will get support from our friends and not get reported.

GetOrlaithOut · 18/07/2005 21:48

Report it??? WTF?

Don't get me wrong, I'd be shocked that the knickers were pulled down and I'd be embarrassed to witness it and I'd feel for the little girl AND the Mum actually but I don't think it would do either of them any good to report it. Jeez. I bet people smack all the time on bare skin - say in the bath or something - it's unnecessary and pointless but it is no way sexual abuse - how ridiculous.

Opinionsplease - depends how well you know the friend. If it was my good friend, I'd say at the next meeting that I was a bit shocked by it, I could understand why she was wound up by it but it's not normally how you'd see her react. Just see what she says. I take it there is no other reason to be worried about your friend or her dd?

Hulababy · 18/07/2005 21:48

TwinSetAndPearls - what a really honest and open post. I am glad you got the help you and your DD needed at that time.

assumedname · 18/07/2005 21:48

Admire your honesty, TwinSetandPearls.

TwinSetAndPearls · 18/07/2005 21:49

I agree entirely morning paper and that was the point I wanted to make.

None of us would ever condone systemtic planned ongoing abuse but surely it is in the interests of children and our fellow women to support one another when at the end of our tether and feeling unable to cope rather than becoming a "grass" culture.