Were we right today??

[CocktailQueen]

DH and I fancied a lie in today so we asked the kids, age 4 and 8, not to wake us till 8. They can go donwstairs after 7 and watch tv/play, and we left them out brekky snacks. So they came to wake us at 8 and were being bonkers - jumping all over us in bed and fighting. We said, give us 5 mins for a cuddle and we'll get up. But they fought, kept coming back in, ignoring us saying no and stop, then ds went downstairs, took a tube yoghurt from the fridge and managed to spray it all over the dfining room/kitchen (he was pretending to be a rhino with a horn).....

dh was v cross. Sent them to their rooms. We didn't go out to wildlife park as planned and instead had quiet morning at home then went out for walk. Rest of day fine.

But wwy have done?? Were we too strict? Dh hates when the kids don't listen to him and I can see his point.

Chippinginneedssleep.

What am I on about ??

You were talking about knowing where your child is in the kitchen

I am talking about a child pulling at your legs when you are stood cooking at a stove.
The two are not the same.

You and others insist on attacking me over stuff that I have not said and that you have made up !
Worldgonecrazy, after ALL the posts , has the idea in her head that I had babies round my legs ( total opposite of the truth) and you cannot distinguish round your legs from 'somewhere in the kitchen'

Its becoming apparent comprehension is sadly lacking on here.

Tell you what - I will not post again on this thread, because it doesn't matter what I actually say - You lot make it up as you go along.

Its simple. However clever/fast/observant/capable and multi tasking efficient you are - Having an 11 month old at your feet or climbing up your legs whilst cooking a meal is NOT a good idea - for their safety - and for your own safety. Thats it. Thats the whole story.
Good luck.

WGC,

With every post you make you show you are just not getting what I have said.
I am not angry - I am not irate. Frustrated at the stupidity and lack of comprehension, YES.
How many times must I spell it out to you - that I taught my children all those things you are talking about ?
How many times - that its about ONE issue. an 11 month old under your feet at a stove - making an accident more likely. An 11 month old cannot help you or learn anything in that situation.

STOP making assumptions and READ the words - cos you are arguing with me about stuff that I have not said !!!

I promise thats my last post this time,.. cos even now - I suspect you really do not get it.

Its becoming apparent comprehension is sadly lacking on here

It most certainly is

Davsmum No I didn't think you had babies or toddlers around your legs. You have stated very clearly that you strapped your children into high chairs. You are however, under the impression, that having a baby or toddler in the kitchen, means that the child is constantly clinging to the mother's legs. I can only presume from this that your children were very clingy, perhaps because they were constantly strapped into high chairs to keep them 'safe' instead of allowing them the freedom to learn how to behave in a normal manner.

Strapping children into high chairs to keep them out of the way at such a formative age is prone to make them clingy rather than self-assured, confident and aware. I can only think that your reluctance to accept that young babies and toddlers can be safe in the kitchen, in the face of several posters stating otherwise, is because your children are very different to ours, and the only reason I can think of for this is the way you have raised them. Please don't take that as an insult because it's not meant that way - we all raise our children as we think fit - it just seems to be the only rational explanation for your continued incomprehension.

The only person who seems to be lacking comprehension on the latter parts of these thread is yourself. Everyone else seems to be perfectly sane and sensible.

1. I was talking about a poster who says their child DOES cling to their legs whilst they are cooking. ( read back) If you did not think I had mune around my legs - why did you say I did in a previous post ??
2. I was not under the impression a child in the kitchen means it is constantly clinging to the mothers legs. You have assigned that to me, despite the fact it is not true. I was referring to the poster who says theirs DOES.
3. A child in a high chair sat nearby chatting and playing with the mother does not become clingy. Mine were never clingy - they were and still are very confident outgoing children. They were not 'constantly' strapped in high chairs - only when necessary for short periods. You talk a sif they were locked in a cupboard !

The lack of comprehension is all yours - otherwise I would not have to keep spelling it out to you that I am talking about one scanario and not all the scanarios you keep bringing up.

I have now deleted this from my 'watching list' because you will just come back with something unrelated to the one thing I was talking about.

To answer point 2, you have said many times on this thread that an 11 month old clinging to the legs would be dangerous. I cannot think that my 11 month old constantly clung to my legs at any time and certainly not in the kitchen - far too much learning going on and all that. That is why I am left with the only rational explanation, that despite your protests otherwise, you have brought your children up in such a way that the kitchen was dangerous to them until they were older.

Now, given that we cannot watch our children 100% of the time, I, and many other mums on this thread, are saying that it is safer to teach children how to behave appropriately in the kitchen from babyhood onwards. You have made the risk-assessment that stopping children learning risk-awareness by keeping them out of the kitchen is a safer way of raising children. But if we cannot watch our children 100% of the time, who is to say that another mum, using your method of raising children, will not be faced with the scenario of a young child coming into the kitchen when she is not expecting it? Now who is going to be safer - the child who is risk aware, or the child for whom the kitchen is an unknown quantity and who has zero risk awareness?

I am still left wondering what on earth davsmum cooks in the kitchen that means it would be dangerous to have toddlers around. Do you have toffee perpetually on the boil?

Maybe she's MrsWalker?

I wonder how many people have 11month olds who cling to their legs? Why would they do that? I would think the only time they are likely to do it is if they are not well.
Put some toys in the corner of the kitchen or let them bash saucepans with a wooden spoon. Mine were more likely to be on the move with push along toys etc and very easy just to move, if they were in your way.
I was listening to the Archers last night and they were busy cooking with all the DCs in the kitchen-they just asked the DCs to move, and said why,when they wanted to use the oven. I think this is normal behaviour-as reflected by a radio programme.

I think Davsmum's alter ego is Oldmum42 - who has just told posters on another thread ("Am I playing with my 11month old DS enough?") that putting teaspoons in the dishwasher is dangerous and all children should be kept away from all kitchen machines at all times.

i actually DID have dd in the highchair whilst i was in the kitchen today, she was eating so i did some jobs in the kitchen, she could SEE me and i was talking to her but she got very cross, as soon as i lifted her out and brought her into the kitchen with me she was fine and it was much easier to get on and do stuff with her in the kitchen with me rather than listen to her cry/whinge/moan etc in the highchair.

goes off to find the thread octavia mentioned...

Octavia - putting teaspoons in the dishwasher is dangerous? I wonder if it will be 'breaking news' shortly?? I have BBC1 on, will keep an eye out

4madboys - I keep meaning to ask you, is your name in ref to your DS's or something else? ... if it's your boys, why isn't it 4madboys1madgirl? Just nosey

Meet you over at the other thread :)

chipping my name refers to my boys yes, origionally i was 3madboys but then ihad ds4 so became 4madboys and i havent bothered to change it since having dd, and tbh i think 4madboys1madgirl is a bit long! i may change it to 5andNOmore! tho

You have to do something - whenever you mention DD I feel a little sad that she's the forgotten one :(

with her antics - I doubt she's anything like forgotten

oh no she def isnt forgotten! she is the little princess of the house, the madboys DOTE on her and i spend a fortune buying pretty clothes and dressing her up like a doll

i could be 4blue1pink maybe? dunno, i shall have a think of a new name, suggestions welcome

4madboys1princess
4madboys1doll
4madboys1debutante
4madboys1adoredsister
4madboysandaprincess (4 weddings and a funeral inspired)
4madboystogetonegirl (just to get the frothing beserks going )

I think you should keep 4madboys because it's your name :)