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To agree with Putin. *MNHQ adding content warning for CSA*

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Itsnotrightbutitsok · 07/08/2023 23:49

I never thought I’d agree with Putin or his decisions but he is planning to soon sign a new law that means pedophiles are forced to be chemically castrated.
(I don’t think it was his idea but he’ll still get the credit for signing it).

For me this is the most obvious solution and I do not understand why this isn’t common policy in every country.

Chemical castration is painless and can be reversed, so it’s not like we’re denying them their human rights or whatever.

I would argue that any sort of sexual crime should result in chemical castration but you would think peadophiles should have this done automatically.

So why is it not law in this country or most other countries that I know of?

There was a thread the other day about a peado and lots of posters agreed he could never be rehabilitated, but he would still eventually get out.
So surely forcing chemical castration would at least reduce his chances of reoffending.

Interested to know other peoples views.

YABU - chemical castration should not be made law (and why).

YANBU - forced chemical castration should be law.

OP posts:
Twyford · 08/08/2023 08:09

Alan Turing was forced to go through a form of chemical castration because of his homosexuality. It led directly to his suicide.

Floppyear · 08/08/2023 08:10

Wsmi · 08/08/2023 07:51

This thread is scary. The proponents of ‘minor attracted persons’ have become mainstream. And to think that these paedophile sympathizers walk freely among children. They would rather empathize with their new progressive than children.

When you post hyperbolic posts like this - you come across as a dramatic gcse student who spouts groundless nonsense

Floppyear · 08/08/2023 08:11

Twyford · 08/08/2023 08:09

Alan Turing was forced to go through a form of chemical castration because of his homosexuality. It led directly to his suicide.

Irrelevant

Twyford · 08/08/2023 08:12

Wsmi · 08/08/2023 07:51

This thread is scary. The proponents of ‘minor attracted persons’ have become mainstream. And to think that these paedophile sympathizers walk freely among children. They would rather empathize with their new progressive than children.

Who exactly on this thread do you claim to be a proponent?

Hint: recognising the basic fact that neither castration or the death penalty work as a deterrent does not make anyone a proponent.

matchamate · 08/08/2023 08:12

continentallentil · 07/08/2023 23:53

YABU for your stupid thread title.

This.
If you're going to start a thread about paedophiles it would be could if you could make it clear so those who are triggered can avoid.

Floppyear · 08/08/2023 08:13

Not a chance do I believe in the state performing forced medical procedures on people as punishment

the punishment should be imprisonment

BakedTattie · 08/08/2023 08:14

Yabu for your thread title. Unbelievably insensitive

TooOldToBeSoYoung · 08/08/2023 08:17

Flickersy · 08/08/2023 00:01

Firstly paedophilia is not a crime, it's an involuntary innate disorder. You can't punish people if they haven't committed a crime and you can't punish someone for having a serious disorder.

Secondly, there is no proof that chemical castration actually removes this disorder.

What we should be focussing on is more robust sentencing guidelines for sexual abuse of children and research into the causes of paedophilia so it can be better treated.

Yes, this as well but I didn't have the guts to say it even on an anonymous internet forum. Thank you Flickersy.

Amispringy · 08/08/2023 08:17

Wsmi · 08/08/2023 07:51

This thread is scary. The proponents of ‘minor attracted persons’ have become mainstream. And to think that these paedophile sympathizers walk freely among children. They would rather empathize with their new progressive than children.

Wow.

Amispringy · 08/08/2023 08:20

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 07/08/2023 23:53

He’d have to castrate himself in that case.

But also YABU

This in spades

Litvinenko knew

Gilead · 08/08/2023 08:21

For those of you who support state sanctioned murder, have you thought about people who confess to crimes they haven’t committed, or the poor man released last week after serving seventeen years for a rape he didn’t commit?

Twyford · 08/08/2023 08:24

Plbrookes · 08/08/2023 07:41

So states with low murder rates have found it politically easier to remove the death penalty? Hardly surprising.

What a silly argument. How does that affect the point that clearly the death penalty is not a deterrent?

Fuckingfuming1 · 08/08/2023 08:26

Seems a little bit pointless they’re not going to reoffend imprison due to lack of available victims.

Therefore it seems more appropriate that the first sign of unnatural behaviour they are locked up, but then who wants to pay for that ?

I’m sure lots of people have urges not all people act on them there for the ones that act on them need eliminating

Fuckingfuming1 · 08/08/2023 08:27

TooOldToBeSoYoung · 08/08/2023 08:17

Yes, this as well but I didn't have the guts to say it even on an anonymous internet forum. Thank you Flickersy.

How exactly would you go about treating it? Any more than you might be able to treat somebody who I don’t know likes being kissed on the back of the neck whilst being fucked ? Everybody has their preferences.

BoohooWoohoo · 08/08/2023 08:30

You don't need to be an expert to know that someone who can't rape will get violent and sadistic in other ways like using a knife instead.

You shouldn't agree with Putin. Castration doesn't remove the urge and considering he decriminalised domestic violence, I can only imagine what he has in store for other groups like gay people. Plus the police and justice system get it wrong sometimes. Don't you think it's the same in Russia?

Twyford · 08/08/2023 08:33

Floppyear · 08/08/2023 08:11

Irrelevant

No, the point is that the chemicals didn't take away the urge. In Turing's case it resulted in suicide, in a paedophile's case it is likely to result in the use of violence.

Floppyear · 08/08/2023 08:43

Twyford · 08/08/2023 08:33

No, the point is that the chemicals didn't take away the urge. In Turing's case it resulted in suicide, in a paedophile's case it is likely to result in the use of violence.

But you didn’t say anything about urges just said it resulted in his suicide and I couldn’t see the relevance

Floppyear · 08/08/2023 08:44

It wasn’t “urges” Turing had

it was his sexuality

FarmGirl78 · 08/08/2023 08:46

continentallentil · 07/08/2023 23:53

YABU for your stupid thread title.

This!! Clickbate title. Hate it in the gutter press and hate it even more on here.

Anotherchristianmama · 08/08/2023 08:48

If Putin gave a shit about children he wouldn't be at war.

Farahpascalmoges · 08/08/2023 08:48

I think chemical castration is actually depo provera which is given to women for birth control. My doctor actually warned me against taking it by showing me the insert, but I pressed for it as I had endo. I was never the same again and I did lose my sex drive. It's funny that something routinely given to women is thought a terrible punishment for men.
As for Paedophiles, I would warehouse them away from actual human beings, or preferably put them down.

sparkleshin · 08/08/2023 08:52

what happens when they're not actually guilty and were wrongfully convicted

Screamingabdabz · 08/08/2023 08:53

Wow op, who knew people were so angrily defensive of the rights of paedophiles? Jeez I wonder if they’d be so intellectually liberal if someone touched their kid? 🙄 I don’t agree with chemical castration though, full castration would do for me.

temperedolive · 08/08/2023 08:54

This is almost certainly going to be used against gay men.

Putting has advanced and passed multiple laws banning portrayal or positive discussion of gay relationships because he claims it will sexually corrupt children. His government has actively sought to tiw homosexuality to pedophilia in the coirts of law and the minds of the public. It's just a quick hop from that to declaring an open gay person a pedophile by default and punishing them accordingly.

This is Russia's steeping stone to legalized castration of its gay citizens.

anniegun · 08/08/2023 08:54

You probably want shoplifters to get their hands chopped off as well