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Itsnotrightbutitsok · 2023-08-07T22:49:12+00:00

I never thought I’d agree with Putin or his decisions but he is planning to soon sign a new law that means pedophiles are forced to be chemically castrated. (I don’t think it was his idea but he’ll still get the credit for signing it). For me this is the most obvious solution and I do not understand why this isn’t common policy in every country. Chemical castration is painless and can be reversed, so it’s not like we’re denying them their human rights or whatever. I would argue that any sort of sexual crime should result in chemical castration but you would think peadophiles should have this done automatically. So why is it not law in this country or most other countries that I know of? There was a thread the other day about a peado and lots of posters agreed he could never be rehabilitated, but he would still eventually get out. So surely forcing chemical castration would at least reduce his chances of reoffending. Interested to know other peoples views. YABU - chemical castration should not be made law (and why). YANBU - forced chemical castration should be law.

Soggysoggydew · 08/08/2023 13:41

@loislovesstewie the numbers that are important in terms of the death penalty being a deterrent are not ‘how many people still commit murder?’, it’s ‘how many people didn’t commit murder because they were afraid of the death penalty’.

TooOldToBeSoYoung · 08/08/2023 13:42

@Plbrookes no, that's not why people say that the death penalty doesn't work. You always have to look at the population level.

You compare states with the death penalty and states without the penalty and look at the crimes (that would warrant the death penalty) committed in both places. accounting for other confounding factors states with the death penalty don't have fewer crimes than stages without the death penalty.

Just as if you look at a population vaccinated against disease x and a population not vaccinated against disease x the unvaccinated population will have more incidents of disease x than the vaccinated one if the vaccine is doing its job.

SerendipityJane · 08/08/2023 13:42

@SerendipityJaneWe got to end of your debating abilities VERY quickly didn't we? No wonder you lost the argument.

It's easier to go downhill faster on a greased slope.

loislovesstewie · 08/08/2023 13:45

Show me the stats for how many people who admit that they didn't murder because they knew they would be executed if caught.

TooOldToBeSoYoung · 08/08/2023 13:45

@Plbrookes sorry, I wasn't responding to what you said in your post. I think we are saying the same thing actually.

Plbrookes · 08/08/2023 14:05

@loislovesstewie No, YOU'RE making the claim, YOU provide the evidence.

iloveeverykindofcat · 08/08/2023 14:13

I'm a big fan of the death penalty and am not averse to torture being part of the punishment for some criminals

What the fuck

Amispringy · 08/08/2023 14:44

Dotjones · 08/08/2023 11:42

I'm a big fan of the death penalty and am not averse to torture being part of the punishment for some criminals, but I disagree with so-called "chemical castration" on moral and ethical grounds. It's just weird, using medical procedures to fuck with people. At least with torture or execution there doesn't need to be any medical involvement (except maybe a doctor to check they're dead, if it isn't obvious). Don't doctors etc have to take an oath not to harm people? I think torture and the death penalty should be carried out by non-medical personnel. If they fuck up a little bit it doesn't really matter anyway.

This has to be a wind up

What a disgusting post and vile views to hold

loislovesstewie · 08/08/2023 14:49

You are claiming that people don't murder because they are afraid of being executed. I'm saying that people murder even when the death penalty is the punishment, because clearly people have always been executed. The death penalty is not a deterrent. People don't think they will actually be caught.
But here is a link
https://humanrights.brightblue.org.uk/blog-1/2016/4/22/does-the-death-penalty-deter-crime
In the body of the report it's clear that states where murders are executed have a higher rate of murder.
There are numerous other studies that show the same including ones conducted by Amnesty International, The Death Penalty Information Center,and the American Civil Liberties Union.

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 08/08/2023 14:51

I don't know why this procedure is known as chemical castration. What a misleading name, as it suggests it is punitive and akin to having your balls chopped off. It's just drugs used to lower or nullify libido. Hardly a punishment in itself for rape.

eandz13 · 08/08/2023 14:53

Dotjones · 08/08/2023 11:42

I'm a big fan of the death penalty and am not averse to torture being part of the punishment for some criminals, but I disagree with so-called "chemical castration" on moral and ethical grounds. It's just weird, using medical procedures to fuck with people. At least with torture or execution there doesn't need to be any medical involvement (except maybe a doctor to check they're dead, if it isn't obvious). Don't doctors etc have to take an oath not to harm people? I think torture and the death penalty should be carried out by non-medical personnel. If they fuck up a little bit it doesn't really matter anyway.

Meh, I agree with you. Dead heinous criminals can't reoffend.
I think it would be a good option for absolutely solid cases, the irrefutably and undeniably guilty offenders with masses of physical evidence against them. I am aware that is a very grey area though and people can be framed and whatnot, so I have no idea how it could be implemented fairly, so I do understand why others wouldn't agree with it.

SerendipityJane · 08/08/2023 15:21

I think it would be a good option for absolutely solid cases, the irrefutably and undeniably guilty offenders with masses of physical evidence against them.

Until you remember how many times (for example) Andrew Malkinsons appeals were denied, because of the "rock solid" evidence against him.

Or Stefan Kizko.

Or Timothy Evans.

I'll do you a deal. You can have your death penalty, when they abolish the Court of Appeal and SCOTUK as justice has become infallible. Until then, it's "two words: rhymes with 'cough'"

stbrandonsboat · 08/08/2023 15:25

I think they should be put into prison camps and made to do useful labour whilst having no contact with the outside world. They should have to do this for the rest of their lives. They can't ever change and the protection of children is more important than the needs of the paedophiles.

eandz13 · 08/08/2023 16:26

@SerendipityJane Which is why I followed my statement up with what I followed it up with. Maybe read properly?

Twyford · 08/08/2023 17:03

Floppyear · 08/08/2023 08:43

But you didn’t say anything about urges just said it resulted in his suicide and I couldn’t see the relevance

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And now you can. Win win.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 17:13

Screamingabdabz · 08/08/2023 08:53

Wow op, who knew people were so angrily defensive of the rights of paedophiles? Jeez I wonder if they’d be so intellectually liberal if someone touched their kid? 🙄 I don’t agree with chemical castration though, full castration would do for me.

I hope it doesn't come as a surprise that people are defensive of the rights of people. No one on this thread is defensive of paedophilia.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 17:19

Plbrookes · 08/08/2023 10:56

"Logically, if vaccines were any sort of protection, no vaccinated people would have died from Covid". No. That's not how things work.

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There's a somewhat obvious difference between viruses and people. I can't even begin to understand how you think that's a useful comparison.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 17:21

Dotjones · 08/08/2023 11:42

I'm a big fan of the death penalty and am not averse to torture being part of the punishment for some criminals, but I disagree with so-called "chemical castration" on moral and ethical grounds. It's just weird, using medical procedures to fuck with people. At least with torture or execution there doesn't need to be any medical involvement (except maybe a doctor to check they're dead, if it isn't obvious). Don't doctors etc have to take an oath not to harm people? I think torture and the death penalty should be carried out by non-medical personnel. If they fuck up a little bit it doesn't really matter anyway.

Does it matter if they fuck up and kill someone who has committed no crime? How would you guarantee that that cannot happen?

Basketballqueen · 08/08/2023 17:22

Doesn't work. I do think they should be locked up FOREVER but it doesn't work.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 17:26

Plbrookes · 08/08/2023 13:22

@SerendipityJane "Even if medicine does work a bit, it's clearly not that good, as countries with it haven't eliminated death, have they ?"

Yep. Some really low energy thinking there.

Again, equating medicine to sentient human beings is certainly low-energy thinking.

Basketballqueen · 08/08/2023 17:26

'I'm a big fan of the death penalty '

Our police, justice system cannot be trusted to actually use it on guilty people. Innocent people would die for political reasons as they do now in countries tat have it.
It's dis-proportionally used against non-white people and poor people.
It's not justice, it's revenge.
We're better than that, or at east, we should be.

And as for you advocating torture for criminals - where's your humanity?
Who are we going to pay to torture on our behalf? Do we corrupt and dehumanise ordinary people, or do we nip off and find some sadists who might be more into it?

Basketballqueen · 08/08/2023 17:27

Perhaps you're someone who gets off on that?

Twyford · 08/08/2023 17:32

Plbrookes · 08/08/2023 13:35

@loislovesstewie So your "logic" is that people who committed a crime were not deterred by the prospect of punishment: therefore punishment is not a deterrent. It's actually the people who would have committed the crime but didn't that are relevant here.

The way to assess that is to look at whether the death penalty actually results in lower homicide rates in the areas that have it. Likewise, areas that don't have it could expect to have high homicide rates. The statistics demonstrate that neither is the case.

SerendipityJane · 08/08/2023 17:35

'I'm a big fan of the death penalty '

Here you go. Ask someone to read this to you while you look at the pictures.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/

Twyford · 08/08/2023 17:37

Plbrookes · 08/08/2023 14:05

@loislovesstewie No, YOU'RE making the claim, YOU provide the evidence.

You are the one who claimed that is the only way you can assess whether the death penalty works.

The reality is that you are trying to say that you can't assess it because, as has been pointed out, no-one is going to respond truthfully to any survey about whether they would or would not have committed murder if the death penalty did or did not exist. But it's not a valid argument in the face of perfectly valid statistics that show that the death penalty does not work as a deterrent.